Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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GroverCleveland said:
I watch a fair amount of his stuff. Yes he is polarizing because he deals with controversial topics head on, but I have never him be unfailingly polite and respectful as possible, even to some assh*ts that confronted him.
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Exactly. He faces extremely hostile Lefties at every appearance with calm and kindness. Often while being disrespected and blatantly lied to. What they really mean by "polarizing" is "uncompromising Christian". Kirk tells people exactly what the Bible says without excusing their sin or playing along with their delusions. In 2025 being an actual upfront Christian that plainly speaks what God says in the Bible is considered "polarizing" to the Left. How DARE he tell them that despite their hormones and genital mutilation, they will always be the same sex they were born. How dare he tell them that the wages of sin is death, and that love and forgiveness comes through Christ...the ONLY path to Heaven. How dare he call out the facts regarding crime in Democrat cities, or abortion, or fatherless homes and the impacts on the children. These things were all considered normal and mainstream when I was a kid...now the Leftists call them "polarizing' and think that despicable and violent behavior is acceptable towards men like Kirk. In fact, Democrat leaders actually encourage and incite violence against those on the Right. Its absolutely disgusting and it needs to stop. Charlie Kirk is no more "polarizing" than any preacher worth his salt. He has every right to say what he does WITHOUT any violence towards him or his family.
 
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Godfatha said:
If he did call illegal immigrants "invaders" then how far off is that when there are millions here. When someone crosses your border illegally, are they not invading. The rest of your quote is your words, not Kirk's.
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Just because you think you can semantically make this statement doesn't mean it's not dehumanizing. Once again, the point is that it is dehumanizing, not that it's entirely, 100%, indisputably inaccurate.

And the proof is in the pudding. Kirk has been a leading voice in these right-wing conversations, and you can't get to this point where we are at with immigration without dehumanizing immigrants.

We now live in a world where Elon Musk advocates for the removal of all non-white immigrants and their posterity, and nobody on the right even blinks. This wasn't possible 10 years ago.
 
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I don't know enough to know whether there is an issue with access to guns or not. If the shooter was a couple of hubdred yd away or even just a couple of hundred feet, that would suggest somebody who was very proficient and not the type of person we talk about when we discuss sort of a deranged imdividual who has suddenly gotten access to guns. This seems more planned out.
 
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evillawyer said:
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Survey: Four in Ten Americans Are Susceptible to Authoritarianism, But Most Still Reject Political Violence

Authoritarian views most prevalent among those who hold favorable views of Trump, supporters of Christian nationalism, white evangelical Protestants, and weekly churchgoers WASHINGTON (September 10…
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Survey: Four in Ten Americans Are Susceptible to Authoritarianism, But Most Still Reject Political Violence
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Authoritarian views most prevalent among those who hold favorable views of Trump, supporters of Christian nationalism, white evangelical Protestants, and weekly churchgoers

WASHINGTON (September 10, 2024) — In the wake of the violent insurrection at the U.S. Capitol Building in 2021 and as the Project 2025 blueprint looms over the 2024 election, a new PRRI survey of more than 5,000 Americans takes a closer look at Americans’ support for authoritarianism by revisiting long-established measures of authoritarianism and their relationships to partisanship and religion. According to the survey, support for authoritarian views are strongest among Republicans (particularly those who hold favorable views of former President Donald Trump), supporters of Christian nationalism, white evangelical Protestants, and weekly churchgoers.

“Our new survey finds that four in ten Americans are susceptible to authoritarian appeals, and that number rises to two-thirds of Republicans and white evangelical Protestants,” says Robert P. Jones, PRRI President and Founder. “Notably, while the vast majority of Americans reject the use of political violence, those who support authoritarianism are nearly twice as likely as the general public to support it. These findings should serve as an important warning as we enter an election season that is incredibly consequential for the health of American democracy.”

The survey relied on two classic approaches to measure authoritarianism.

The survey uses the Right-Wing Authoritarianism Scale (RWAS), which was first developed in The Authoritarian Personality (1950) in the wake of the horrors of fascism in the Second World War, and the Child-Rearing Authoritarian Scale (CRAS), an alternative measure of authoritarianism that uses preferred childhood traits. PRRI finds that while most Americans do not hold highly authoritarian views, a substantial minority does: 43% of Americans score high on the Right-Wing Authoritarianism Scale (RWAS), while 41% score high on the Child-Rearing Authoritarianism Scale (CRAS).

Two-thirds of Republicans score high on the RWAS (67%) compared with 35% of independents, and 28% of Democrats. Republicans who hold favorable views of Trump are 36 percentage points more likely than those with unfavorable views of Trump to score high on the RWAS (75% vs. 39%). White evangelical Protestants (64%) are the religious group most likely to score high on the RWAS, followed by smaller majorities of Hispanic Protestants (54%) and white Catholics (54%). A majority of weekly churchgoers (55%) score high on the RWAS, compared with 44% of Americans who attend church a few times a year and 38% of those who never attend church services. Patterns are similar for the CRAS, although less pronounced.

Like earlier PRRI studies, the survey finds that three in ten Americans identify as Christian nationalism Adherents (10%) or Sympathizers (20%). Among Americans who are Christian nationalism Adherents or Sympathizers, three-quarters (74%) score high on the RWAS and 61% score high on the CRAS.

While most Americans reject political violence, those scoring high on authoritarianism scales and Christian nationalist measures are significantly more likely to support it — as are Republicans who hold favorable views of Trump.

Fewer than one in five Americans agree with three measures of political violence: 1) that “true American patriots may have to resort to violence in order to save our country” (16%); 2) that “if the 2024 presidential election is compromised by voter fraud, everyday Americans will need to ensure that the rightful leader takes office, even if it requires violence actions” (16%); or 3) that “armed citizens are needed as poll watchers to ensure a fair election” (15%).

Those who hold Christian nationalist and Right-Wing Authoritarian views are approximately twice as likely as the public to support political violence. One-third of Christian nationalism Adherents and Sympathizers (33%) agree that “true American patriots may have to resort to violence to save our country,” as do 28% of Americans who score high on the RWAS.

Republicans are about 2.5 times more likely than Democrats to agree with measures of political violence: that patriots may have to resort to violence to save our country (27% vs. 8%); that everyday Americans will need to ensure the rightful leader takes office, even if it requires taking violent actions (24% vs. 10%); and that armed citizens are needed as poll watchers (24% vs. 10%, respectively). And Republicans who have a favorable view of Trump are significantly more likely than those who have an unfavorable view of Trump to agree with all three statements.
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Go back to Blue Sky witch. You wished death on the president a week ago
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
I wish you guys got this worked up over school shootings, maybe something would change.
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Almost every human on earth gets worked up over school or any other senseless shootings. You are really out of touch with reality or just so entrenched in your tribalism that it’s made you just plain stupid.
 
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evillawyer said:
prri.org

Survey: Four in Ten Americans Are Susceptible to Authoritarianism, But Most Still Reject Political Violence

Authoritarian views most prevalent among those who hold favorable views of Trump, supporters of Christian nationalism, white evangelical Protestants, and weekly churchgoers WASHINGTON (September 10…
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Survey: Four in Ten Americans Are Susceptible to Authoritarianism, But Most Still Reject Political Violence
September 10, 2024


Authoritarian views most prevalent among those who hold favorable views of Trump, supporters of Christian nationalism, white evangelical Protestants, and weekly churchgoers

WASHINGTON (September 10, 2024) — In the wake of the violent insurrection at the U.S. Capitol Building in 2021 and as the Project 2025 blueprint looms over the 2024 election, a new PRRI survey of more than 5,000 Americans takes a closer look at Americans’ support for authoritarianism by revisiting long-established measures of authoritarianism and their relationships to partisanship and religion. According to the survey, support for authoritarian views are strongest among Republicans (particularly those who hold favorable views of former President Donald Trump), supporters of Christian nationalism, white evangelical Protestants, and weekly churchgoers.

“Our new survey finds that four in ten Americans are susceptible to authoritarian appeals, and that number rises to two-thirds of Republicans and white evangelical Protestants,” says Robert P. Jones, PRRI President and Founder. “Notably, while the vast majority of Americans reject the use of political violence, those who support authoritarianism are nearly twice as likely as the general public to support it. These findings should serve as an important warning as we enter an election season that is incredibly consequential for the health of American democracy.”

The survey relied on two classic approaches to measure authoritarianism.

The survey uses the Right-Wing Authoritarianism Scale (RWAS), which was first developed in The Authoritarian Personality (1950) in the wake of the horrors of fascism in the Second World War, and the Child-Rearing Authoritarian Scale (CRAS), an alternative measure of authoritarianism that uses preferred childhood traits. PRRI finds that while most Americans do not hold highly authoritarian views, a substantial minority does: 43% of Americans score high on the Right-Wing Authoritarianism Scale (RWAS), while 41% score high on the Child-Rearing Authoritarianism Scale (CRAS).

Two-thirds of Republicans score high on the RWAS (67%) compared with 35% of independents, and 28% of Democrats. Republicans who hold favorable views of Trump are 36 percentage points more likely than those with unfavorable views of Trump to score high on the RWAS (75% vs. 39%). White evangelical Protestants (64%) are the religious group most likely to score high on the RWAS, followed by smaller majorities of Hispanic Protestants (54%) and white Catholics (54%). A majority of weekly churchgoers (55%) score high on the RWAS, compared with 44% of Americans who attend church a few times a year and 38% of those who never attend church services. Patterns are similar for the CRAS, although less pronounced.

Like earlier PRRI studies, the survey finds that three in ten Americans identify as Christian nationalism Adherents (10%) or Sympathizers (20%). Among Americans who are Christian nationalism Adherents or Sympathizers, three-quarters (74%) score high on the RWAS and 61% score high on the CRAS.

While most Americans reject political violence, those scoring high on authoritarianism scales and Christian nationalist measures are significantly more likely to support it — as are Republicans who hold favorable views of Trump.

Fewer than one in five Americans agree with three measures of political violence: 1) that “true American patriots may have to resort to violence in order to save our country” (16%); 2) that “if the 2024 presidential election is compromised by voter fraud, everyday Americans will need to ensure that the rightful leader takes office, even if it requires violence actions” (16%); or 3) that “armed citizens are needed as poll watchers to ensure a fair election” (15%).

Those who hold Christian nationalist and Right-Wing Authoritarian views are approximately twice as likely as the public to support political violence. One-third of Christian nationalism Adherents and Sympathizers (33%) agree that “true American patriots may have to resort to violence to save our country,” as do 28% of Americans who score high on the RWAS.

Republicans are about 2.5 times more likely than Democrats to agree with measures of political violence: that patriots may have to resort to violence to save our country (27% vs. 8%); that everyday Americans will need to ensure the rightful leader takes office, even if it requires taking violent actions (24% vs. 10%); and that armed citizens are needed as poll watchers (24% vs. 10%, respectively). And Republicans who have a favorable view of Trump are significantly more likely than those who have an unfavorable view of Trump to agree with all three statements.
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BS Articles like this is why the Democrats are the party of violence.
 
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Zues1 said:
If anyone thinks these things will silence the right you are sadly mistaken.
The right is not going to scurry into the corner and just give in. What things like this do is in inflame people, not scare them.
I can assure you there's some people right now plotting revenge.
Get ready.
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Why do you piss off the side that owns a vast majority of the firearms in this country?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't know enough to know whether there is an issue with access to guns or not. If the shooter was a couple of hubdred yd away or even just a couple of hundred feet, that would suggest somebody who was very proficient and not the type of person we talk about when we discuss sort of a deranged imdividual who has suddenly gotten access to guns. This seems more planned out.
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You mean kinda like Pennsylvania last year with Trump?
 
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n_huffhines said:
But the problem is that this thing you are complaining about is what Kirk does. It's how he blew up. It's impossible to separate him from what you're accusing the rest of the media of doing.

Somebody said he has been "dehumanized," which means to deny/deprive him positive human qualities. He has demonized entire groups. People dismiss him as a racist? OK, but he calls illegal immigrants "invaders," for example, as if they are here to destroy and plunder when they are almost entirely here to prosper via voluntary market interaction. He is the most prominent right-wing media figure dripping in this tactic that you are attributing only to the left.
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Are you referring to my comment?
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Thought that was a non-political event, more "domestic violence."
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That was Pelosis gay husbands lover for the night while she was out of town. Too much drugs and alcohol and the weirdo flipped out on him. Had absolutely nothing to do with politics, the guy was a mentally ill gay Liberal from CA.
 
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