Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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itsme said:
Actually dehumnaizing someone you disagree with is a problem. Social media is a problem. The news media is a problem. Labelling everyone you disagree with a Nazi is a problem. Pharmaceutical companies pushing mental drugs that cause suicidal and murder ideations is a problem.

There is only one person that can fix all of us, Jesus. Accept Jesus and turn from our wicked ways.
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Amen brother. Been praying for Charlie since I read about this.
 
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evillawyer said:
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Survey: Four in Ten Americans Are Susceptible to Authoritarianism, But Most Still Reject Political Violence

Authoritarian views most prevalent among those who hold favorable views of Trump, supporters of Christian nationalism, white evangelical Protestants, and weekly churchgoers WASHINGTON (September 10…
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Survey: Four in Ten Americans Are Susceptible to Authoritarianism, But Most Still Reject Political Violence
September 10, 2024


Authoritarian views most prevalent among those who hold favorable views of Trump, supporters of Christian nationalism, white evangelical Protestants, and weekly churchgoers

WASHINGTON (September 10, 2024) — In the wake of the violent insurrection at the U.S. Capitol Building in 2021 and as the Project 2025 blueprint looms over the 2024 election, a new PRRI survey of more than 5,000 Americans takes a closer look at Americans’ support for authoritarianism by revisiting long-established measures of authoritarianism and their relationships to partisanship and religion. According to the survey, support for authoritarian views are strongest among Republicans (particularly those who hold favorable views of former President Donald Trump), supporters of Christian nationalism, white evangelical Protestants, and weekly churchgoers.

“Our new survey finds that four in ten Americans are susceptible to authoritarian appeals, and that number rises to two-thirds of Republicans and white evangelical Protestants,” says Robert P. Jones, PRRI President and Founder. “Notably, while the vast majority of Americans reject the use of political violence, those who support authoritarianism are nearly twice as likely as the general public to support it. These findings should serve as an important warning as we enter an election season that is incredibly consequential for the health of American democracy.”

The survey relied on two classic approaches to measure authoritarianism.

The survey uses the Right-Wing Authoritarianism Scale (RWAS), which was first developed in The Authoritarian Personality (1950) in the wake of the horrors of fascism in the Second World War, and the Child-Rearing Authoritarian Scale (CRAS), an alternative measure of authoritarianism that uses preferred childhood traits. PRRI finds that while most Americans do not hold highly authoritarian views, a substantial minority does: 43% of Americans score high on the Right-Wing Authoritarianism Scale (RWAS), while 41% score high on the Child-Rearing Authoritarianism Scale (CRAS).

Two-thirds of Republicans score high on the RWAS (67%) compared with 35% of independents, and 28% of Democrats. Republicans who hold favorable views of Trump are 36 percentage points more likely than those with unfavorable views of Trump to score high on the RWAS (75% vs. 39%). White evangelical Protestants (64%) are the religious group most likely to score high on the RWAS, followed by smaller majorities of Hispanic Protestants (54%) and white Catholics (54%). A majority of weekly churchgoers (55%) score high on the RWAS, compared with 44% of Americans who attend church a few times a year and 38% of those who never attend church services. Patterns are similar for the CRAS, although less pronounced.

Like earlier PRRI studies, the survey finds that three in ten Americans identify as Christian nationalism Adherents (10%) or Sympathizers (20%). Among Americans who are Christian nationalism Adherents or Sympathizers, three-quarters (74%) score high on the RWAS and 61% score high on the CRAS.

While most Americans reject political violence, those scoring high on authoritarianism scales and Christian nationalist measures are significantly more likely to support it — as are Republicans who hold favorable views of Trump.

Fewer than one in five Americans agree with three measures of political violence: 1) that “true American patriots may have to resort to violence in order to save our country” (16%); 2) that “if the 2024 presidential election is compromised by voter fraud, everyday Americans will need to ensure that the rightful leader takes office, even if it requires violence actions” (16%); or 3) that “armed citizens are needed as poll watchers to ensure a fair election” (15%).

Those who hold Christian nationalist and Right-Wing Authoritarian views are approximately twice as likely as the public to support political violence. One-third of Christian nationalism Adherents and Sympathizers (33%) agree that “true American patriots may have to resort to violence to save our country,” as do 28% of Americans who score high on the RWAS.

Republicans are about 2.5 times more likely than Democrats to agree with measures of political violence: that patriots may have to resort to violence to save our country (27% vs. 8%); that everyday Americans will need to ensure the rightful leader takes office, even if it requires taking violent actions (24% vs. 10%); and that armed citizens are needed as poll watchers (24% vs. 10%, respectively). And Republicans who have a favorable view of Trump are significantly more likely than those who have an unfavorable view of Trump to agree with all three statements.
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You can just say you love it. Don't be too giddy.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Inflammatory "rhetoric" or not, it doesnt justify what happened here. The onus is still on the inflamed to conduct themselves with composure and reason. If a person cannot do that, THEY are the problem.
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Of course not. That wasn't the point at all. The point is people blaming one side for this rhetoric when Kirk is exhibit A on the right. That is the only point. Of course Kirk didn't deserve this and this is horrible for politics in the US.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The right has total control right now, and this is probably the worst 8 non-pandemic months of federal government of my life. Was he wrong? LOL.

And be honest with yourself, Trump saying the left is the greatest threat, and any of the **** he has actually said, would not bother you at all, so why even pretend this is out of bounds to you? Like, you would be screaming "bad form!" at your TV if Trump said this about the left? GTFOH
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Good Lord Nancy.
 
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Godfatha said:
Do you have an example where he "dehumanizes" a group?
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n_huffhines said:
But the problem is that this thing you are complaining about is what Kirk does. It's how he blew up. It's impossible to separate him from what you're accusing the rest of the media of doing.

Somebody said he has been "dehumanized," which means to deny/deprive him positive human qualities. He has demonized entire groups. People dismiss him as a racist? OK, but he calls illegal immigrants "invaders," for example, as if they are here to destroy and plunder when they are almost entirely here to prosper via voluntary market interaction. He is the most prominent right-wing media figure dripping in this tactic that you are attributing only to the left.
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NCFisher said:
He's only 'polarizing' to an irrational, lawless, radical left who appear to increasingly require domesticating.

How many politically-based murder attempts are necessary before the left stops talking about battering and harassing conservative/Repubs? Do we need the next wannabe SCOTUS assassin to succeed before the party says "uhm, calling them illegitimate and threatening them on the steps of the court, could be somewhat irresponsible"? Hitler, Nazis, white supremacists, and such might actually cause a couple people to try and kill the Republican nominee for president, twice we know of. "They're erasing Trans people!" - to an audience who already have a psychological malfunction and use their bodies as test labs for pharma, might have a tiny bit to do with their overrepresentation in mass shootings?

If Kirk dies, the left will celebrate even if it's winks and fist-bumps. Just as they would with Trump, Kavanaugh, or any conservative Maxine could yell and point to "There's one now!".

Stop talking aa if Kirk was some Aryan firebrand; he's just a guy talking rationally in terms anyone with decent sense understands. The problem is we're in a moment when the left stokes and celebrates ideological killings.
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He is very polarizing. But being outspoken and having opinions isnt justification for being shot.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The right has total control right now, and this is probably the worst 8 non-pandemic months of federal government of my life. Was he wrong? LOL.

And be honest with yourself, Trump saying the left is the greatest threat, and any of the **** he has actually said, would not bother you at all, so why even pretend this is out of bounds to you? Like, you would be screaming "bad form!" at your TV if Trump said this about the left? GTFOH
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Everyone knows the left is the greatest threat, but conservatives don't go around shooting people. If you think about it, (which could be hard for you leftists) conservatives could easily go to extreme, but they don't because they have morals.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The right has total control right now, and this is probably the worst 8 non-pandemic months of federal government of my life. Was he wrong? LOL.

And be honest with yourself, Trump saying the left is the greatest threat, and any of the **** he has actually said, would not bother you at all, so why even pretend this is out of bounds to you? Like, you would be screaming "bad form!" at your TV if Trump said this about the left? GTFOH
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Dude, will you STFU. Insufferable soy boy.
 
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GAVol said:
People are so f’ing brainwashed. Politics has replaced humanity.
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This is what you get when you have a broken and corrupt political system and government along with a broken and corrupt mainstream media pushing their side’s propaganda, versions of the truth and at times just outright lies. Weak minded and overzealous people are easily led around by the nose when it comes to politics.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Cool that you perceive him to be polite to the people he debates with. The point is that he dehumanizes groups, this isn't one-sided, and you've done nothing to refute that. Sounds like you maybe agree with that based on the "polarizing" comment, so IDK what the point is other than to deflect.
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Man you are one fragile little girl.
 
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