Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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BigOrangeMojo said:
He's very polarizing but that still doesn't excuse this 3rd world country level sh*t....
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He's only 'polarizing' to an irrational, lawless, radical left who appear to increasingly require domesticating.

How many politically-based murder attempts are necessary before the left stops talking about battering and harassing conservative/Repubs? Do we need the next wannabe SCOTUS assassin to succeed before the party says "uhm, calling them illegitimate and threatening them on the steps of the court, could be somewhat irresponsible"? Hitler, Nazis, white supremacists, and such might actually cause a couple people to try and kill the Republican nominee for president, twice we know of. "They're erasing Trans people!" - to an audience who already have a psychological malfunction and use their bodies as test labs for pharma, might have a tiny bit to do with their overrepresentation in mass shootings?

If Kirk dies, the left will celebrate even if it's winks and fist-bumps. Just as they would with Trump, Kavanaugh, or any conservative Maxine could yell and point to "There's one now!".

Stop talking aa if Kirk was some Aryan firebrand; he's just a guy talking rationally in terms anyone with decent sense understands. The problem is we're in a moment when the left stokes and celebrates ideological killings.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
I watch a fair amount of his stuff. Yes he is polarizing because he deals with controversial topics head on, but I have never him be unfailingly polite and respectful as possible, even to some assh*ts that confronted him.
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Cool that you perceive him to be polite to the people he debates with. The point is that he dehumanizes groups, this isn't one-sided, and you've done nothing to refute that. Sounds like you maybe agree with that based on the "polarizing" comment, so IDK what the point is other than to deflect.
 
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ETV said:
I’m certain many of those politicians on the left are celebrating this incident, behind closed doors though.
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Yep, Like I posted earlier they were all giddy just a week ago that there were rumors that Trump may have passed away. Anyone who doesn't think the left is happy a potential future conservative Presidential candidate may have been killed. Especially one that helped build a conservative base of college age voters that helped put Trump back in the White House.
 
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dalton_vol said:
This....

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Survey: Four in Ten Americans Are Susceptible to Authoritarianism, But Most Still Reject Political Violence

Authoritarian views most prevalent among those who hold favorable views of Trump, supporters of Christian nationalism, white evangelical Protestants, and weekly churchgoers WASHINGTON (September 10…
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Survey: Four in Ten Americans Are Susceptible to Authoritarianism, But Most Still Reject Political Violence
September 10, 2024


Authoritarian views most prevalent among those who hold favorable views of Trump, supporters of Christian nationalism, white evangelical Protestants, and weekly churchgoers

WASHINGTON (September 10, 2024) — In the wake of the violent insurrection at the U.S. Capitol Building in 2021 and as the Project 2025 blueprint looms over the 2024 election, a new PRRI survey of more than 5,000 Americans takes a closer look at Americans’ support for authoritarianism by revisiting long-established measures of authoritarianism and their relationships to partisanship and religion. According to the survey, support for authoritarian views are strongest among Republicans (particularly those who hold favorable views of former President Donald Trump), supporters of Christian nationalism, white evangelical Protestants, and weekly churchgoers.

“Our new survey finds that four in ten Americans are susceptible to authoritarian appeals, and that number rises to two-thirds of Republicans and white evangelical Protestants,” says Robert P. Jones, PRRI President and Founder. “Notably, while the vast majority of Americans reject the use of political violence, those who support authoritarianism are nearly twice as likely as the general public to support it. These findings should serve as an important warning as we enter an election season that is incredibly consequential for the health of American democracy.”

The survey relied on two classic approaches to measure authoritarianism.

The survey uses the Right-Wing Authoritarianism Scale (RWAS), which was first developed in The Authoritarian Personality (1950) in the wake of the horrors of fascism in the Second World War, and the Child-Rearing Authoritarian Scale (CRAS), an alternative measure of authoritarianism that uses preferred childhood traits. PRRI finds that while most Americans do not hold highly authoritarian views, a substantial minority does: 43% of Americans score high on the Right-Wing Authoritarianism Scale (RWAS), while 41% score high on the Child-Rearing Authoritarianism Scale (CRAS).

Two-thirds of Republicans score high on the RWAS (67%) compared with 35% of independents, and 28% of Democrats. Republicans who hold favorable views of Trump are 36 percentage points more likely than those with unfavorable views of Trump to score high on the RWAS (75% vs. 39%). White evangelical Protestants (64%) are the religious group most likely to score high on the RWAS, followed by smaller majorities of Hispanic Protestants (54%) and white Catholics (54%). A majority of weekly churchgoers (55%) score high on the RWAS, compared with 44% of Americans who attend church a few times a year and 38% of those who never attend church services. Patterns are similar for the CRAS, although less pronounced.

Like earlier PRRI studies, the survey finds that three in ten Americans identify as Christian nationalism Adherents (10%) or Sympathizers (20%). Among Americans who are Christian nationalism Adherents or Sympathizers, three-quarters (74%) score high on the RWAS and 61% score high on the CRAS.

While most Americans reject political violence, those scoring high on authoritarianism scales and Christian nationalist measures are significantly more likely to support it — as are Republicans who hold favorable views of Trump.

Fewer than one in five Americans agree with three measures of political violence: 1) that “true American patriots may have to resort to violence in order to save our country” (16%); 2) that “if the 2024 presidential election is compromised by voter fraud, everyday Americans will need to ensure that the rightful leader takes office, even if it requires violence actions” (16%); or 3) that “armed citizens are needed as poll watchers to ensure a fair election” (15%).

Those who hold Christian nationalist and Right-Wing Authoritarian views are approximately twice as likely as the public to support political violence. One-third of Christian nationalism Adherents and Sympathizers (33%) agree that “true American patriots may have to resort to violence to save our country,” as do 28% of Americans who score high on the RWAS.

Republicans are about 2.5 times more likely than Democrats to agree with measures of political violence: that patriots may have to resort to violence to save our country (27% vs. 8%); that everyday Americans will need to ensure the rightful leader takes office, even if it requires taking violent actions (24% vs. 10%); and that armed citizens are needed as poll watchers (24% vs. 10%, respectively). And Republicans who have a favorable view of Trump are significantly more likely than those who have an unfavorable view of Trump to agree with all three statements.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
I watch a fair amount of his stuff. Yes he is polarizing because he deals with controversial topics head on, but I have never him be unfailingly polite and respectful as possible, even to some assh*ts that confronted him.
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To many, disagreement or a point counter to their opinion constitutes some "ism" or "phobia". There's no debating with people like that. They're the equivalent of children sticking their fingers in their ears.
 
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n_huffhines said:
OK, but the original point wasn't about opening up dialog, it was about inflammatory rhetoric.
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Inflammatory "rhetoric" or not, it doesnt justify what happened here. The onus is still on the inflamed to conduct themselves with composure and reason. If a person cannot do that, THEY are the problem.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Cool that you perceive him to be polite to the people he debates with. The point is that he dehumanizes groups, this isn't one-sided, and you've done nothing to refute that. Sounds like you maybe agree with that based on the "polarizing" comment, so IDK what the point is other than to deflect.
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Who does he dehumanized? Men who thinks they're women? Or people who have multiple kids with multiple women? We do need to start shaving people, maybe they'll stop being idiots
 
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Volbucky said:
No gas expansion present unless it’s point blank. It’s impact shock that’s rough and that’s 100% depending on the type of bullet/ velocity
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That's what I'm talking about. Impact shock. That aside, the location and angle would be very difficult to survive.
 
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Godfatha said:
To many, disagreement or a point counter to their opinion constitutes some "ism" or "phobia". There's no debating with people like that. They're the equivalent of children sticking their fingers in their ears.
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That's how the left is been effective. They can't debate they can only call names to shut down debate. So it's no problem for them to call Kirk names and insinuate he deserved it because of his rhetoric
 
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Ttucke11 said:
Yea anyone with a brain knows this. Our lefties denying it are....something. The rhetoric for 10 years has been getting more and more violent. People that think it's 2012 still are ignorant AF. Theyve called people racist, Nazi fascists for 10 straight years. This is the result. And I'm not politicizing it, the political assassination is politicizing it. The left needs to soul search and fast.
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Problem is leftist have no souls.
 
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dalton_vol said:
That's how the left is been effective. They can't debate they can only call names to shut down debate. So it's no problem for them to call Kirk names and insinuate he deserved it because of his rhetoric
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I mean, they've also been effective because their actual goals are to turn schools into places that produce nothing but illiterate and dependent retards, which are way easier to manipulate.
 
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dalton_vol said:
Remember biden?

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The right has total control right now, and this is probably the worst 8 non-pandemic months of federal government of my life. Was he wrong? LOL.

And be honest with yourself, Trump saying the left is the greatest threat, and any of the **** he has actually said, would not bother you at all, so why even pretend this is out of bounds to you? Like, you would be screaming "bad form!" at your TV if Trump said this about the left? GTFOH
 
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n_huffhines said:
Cool that you perceive him to be polite to the people he debates with. The point is that he dehumanizes groups, this isn't one-sided, and you've done nothing to refute that. Sounds like you maybe agree with that based on the "polarizing" comment, so IDK what the point is other than to deflect.
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Do you have an example where he "dehumanizes" a group?
 
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