Charges have not been dropped

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BEARWHO?

BEARWHO?

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I asked some Law enforcement friends of mine what the deal was. First and foremost they could not say definitely because they're not from TN. Anyway they said that if what was being reported was true and that JJ walked up to the car and said "we need to go" and got back into the car with them without reporting anything, that he may be culpable in some way. His involvement may not be a felony but would possibly still be a misdemeanor. I hope it's the misdemeanor for his sake, and who knows maybe charges will be dropped all together. Praying for all three.

According to the C'nooga free press, as of 9 this morning charges had not been dropped.
 
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From the reports, JJ was in the gas station.... where cameras exist.... therefore the authorities would have had a link to the crime in him..... I really believe he had no idea this was going on outside. I can only guess how the convo went as the drove away... probably something like, "WTF ARE YOU GUYS DOING???? ARE YOU ******* ME?"

As far as him saying, "We got to go..." 1st, we don’t know how he said it, did he say it in a, "WTF ARE YOU IDIOTS DOING? We got to go!" or "oh ****, they don't have money, this is taking too long, WE GOT TO GO (before we get caught)"

But, if he truly didn't know what they were doing, he should not have got back into the car... But then he would have had to wait around for the cops and basically rat out his friends/teammates.... I don't know, it just was a screwed up situation for him IF indeed he had no clue it was going on.
 
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Which Pilot was this? The one on Watts or the one on the north side? If it was the one on Watts I have a hard time believing that Video would show much. That parking lot has horrible lighting.
 
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UT's#1Fan said:
From the reports, JJ was in the gas station.... where cameras exist.... therefore the authorities would have had a link to the crime in him..... I really believe he had no idea this was going on outside. I can only guess how the convo went as the drove away... probably something like, "WTF ARE YOU GUYS DOING???? ARE YOU ******* ME?"

As far as him saying, "We got to go..." 1st, we don’t know how he said it, did he say it in a, "WTF ARE YOU IDIOTS DOING? We got to go!" or "oh ****, they don't have money, this is taking too long, WE GOT TO GO (before we get caught)"

But, if he truly didn't know what they were doing, he should not have got back into the car... But then he would have had to wait around for the cops and basically rat out his friends/teammates.... I don't know, it just was a screwed up situation for him IF indeed he had no clue it was going on.
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We eventually had to agree on something...Context is everything.
 
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Even if he was inside. If he came back out, saw what they were doing, and told them to stop why get back in the car with them?
 
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AndyMizunogolfer said:
Which Pilot was this? The one on Watts or the one on the north side? If it was the one on Watts I have a hard time believing that Video would show much. That parking lot has horrible lighting.
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cumberland I believe next to OCI .
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BEARWHO? said:
Even if he was inside. If he came back out, saw what they were doing, and told them to stop why get back in the car with them?
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Happened on the spur of the moment, he is out at two AM with no other way to get out of there. It was a pellet pistol also. Maybe he thought it was all a bad joke but thought they needed to get out of there, maybe he just didn't time to think, maybe he actually knew what was going on. All we can do is speculate till more information comes out about this.

I know if I'm out with some college friends and come out of a gas station to see them holding up some kids with a BB gun, I can't say I don't just jump in the car to get the hell out of there; it would be really surreal and hard to process in a split second.
 
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If it comes down to walking a few miles or losing your career i think most resonable folks would walk. Also, I know it's being discussed on other threads but, I'm trying to look at JJ playing again from a parent's perspective. A mom and dad are entrusting you (the coaches) with the well being of their son and all this stuff is happening and you still let this guy play. From a parent's view it doesn't look good. Not flaming,just saying.
 
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Also it might not be obvious that anyone was getting held up as he walked up to the car. It could have simply looked like they were chatting with the guys in the car. They were wearing hoodies, not ski masks. According to the victims there was no physical aggression and listening to their account they didn't seem to take it too seriously.

It very well could have been a situation where JJ gets in the car and realizes what just went down. Then what's he supposed to do?

Regardless JJ needs to get his head together fast. If he was in his dorm sleeping as he should have been to prepare himself for practice none of this would have been an issue for him.
 
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Whether or not charges will be dropped will be up to the DA. If the case can be made that he was much less culpable or not at all it is possible that Jackson could get out of this with a much less serious charge or released without a charge at all.

Much of this will depend on his story, those of the other suspects and the victims involved. Time will tell. If he never plays another snap of football I would certainly not have a problem with it. If the circumstances play out and he doesn't get charged I would be very upset if he isn't suspended for the rest of the season, even then he should be on amazingly thin ice and the slightest misstep should warrant his dismissal.
 
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That had to have happened really fast for him. Plus, who knows - maybe he would have reported them later. They were caught very quickly. Not everybody's first instinct is to immediately alert authorities on your buddies.
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BEARWHO? said:
I asked some Law enforcement friends of mine what the deal was. First and foremost they could not say definitely because they're not from TN. Anyway they said that if what was being reported was true and that JJ walked up to the car and said "we need to go" and got back into the car with them without reporting anything, that he may be culpable in some way. His involvement may not be a felony but would possibly still be a misdemeanor. I hope it's the misdemeanor for his sake, and who knows maybe charges will be dropped all together. Praying for all three.

According to the C'nooga free press, as of 9 this morning charges had not been dropped.
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He could be charged with accessory or facilitation. Both of which require intent.
 
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Again, they do not release ANYBODY from jail, without bond, if there is any reason to suspect Attempted armed robbery. It doesn't happen, especially in a high profile case like this.
 
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Man Jackson got caught up in a bad situation. If he did not do anything then he will be fine. He will be suspended for Ole Miss but I hope they drop charges on him.
It was a stupid arse mistake by all of them and really on Nuke and Edwards but hopefully they will learn from it. I think we all make mistakes in life and you pay for what you do...Thank God nobody got hurt in this situation...
I pray for some direction in those kids lives...
 
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Nuke and Edwards should clear him if he didn't know what they were planning to do. If they don't then either they are bigger punks then ever imagined or he knew what they were doing. I will wait and trust CLK will do what has to be done!
 
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I know that if I just saw 2 of my buddies rob somebody that I wouldn't stick around near the guys that just got robbed. Who knows how they would react? They might have sought retribution on JJ.

That said, I would have made them let me out of the car shortly down the road. It sounds like the reaction of a kid who was scared he was going to get in trouble for something he didn't want to be a part of.

I don't blame him if he just wanted to get the heck out of there. Also, a team mentality is preached to these guys every day. These are supposed to be their brothers in arms and most of them come from a society where being a "snitch" is the last thing you want to be labeled. It doesn't surprise me that he wouldn't rat them out and would just hope nothing came of it.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
I know that if I just saw 2 of my buddies rob somebody that I wouldn't stick around near the guys that just got robbed. Who knows how they would react? They might have sought retribution on JJ.

That said, I would have made them let me out of the car shortly down the road. It sounds like the reaction of a kid who was scared he was going to get in trouble for something he didn't want to be a part of.

I don't blame him if he just wanted to get the heck out of there. Also, a team mentality is preached to these guys every day. These are supposed to be their brothers in arms and most of them come from a society where being a "snitch" is the last thing you want to be labeled. It doesn't surprise me that he wouldn't rat them out and would just hope nothing came of it.
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I know you didn't mean it that way!but...:eek:lol:
 
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BEARWHO? said:
Even if he was inside. If he came back out, saw what they were doing, and told them to stop why get back in the car with them?
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And what did he see? A couple of his friends talking with 3 dudes in a car. According to witness statements, the whole incident happened in about 1 minute. If I'm coming out of the store and my friends are leaned over talking into someone else's car I say, "c'mon let's go," because I'm through in the store and ready to get back to the dorm. And its not that uncommon for people to talk to strangers, even my 67 year old mom will strike up a conversation with anyone. My thought is that JJ is 100% innocent unless more proof comes out to prove he is guilty of anything.
 
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Some reports are now saying that he did not come out of the store. I will post a link as soon as I can. Some reports are stating that the witnesses said that he got out of the car and walked over to the car.

Knoxville Police spokesman Darrell DeBusk says the three victims told officers that they were outside the Pilot waiting for a friend who was inside the store, when they were approached by three black men with a gun who demanded that they victims "give us everything you've got." The suspect were wearing black hoodies.

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BEARWHO? said:
Some reports are now saying that he did not come out of the store. I will post a link as soon as I can. Some reports are stating that the witnesses said that he got out of the car and walked over to the car.
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The official police report states that he came out of the store. Are the witnesses changing their story?
 
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If your cop boys are not from TN, they need to STFU and stop trying to interpret TN law. Cops are generally not good lawyers, which used to chap my arse as an ADA.

Intent is the thing. If he did not approach the car, and he did not take a "substantial step" in the planning or commission of the crime, then there is no evidence to show culpability. The girl in this case may have a similarly strong defense, but she did assist in the "flight", if it can fairly be termed as such.

I suspect that this is what the Knox County DA has already realized, which is why they probably consented to a signature bond after the judge already set a cash/property bond.

IDK if they do this in TN, but formal charges in GA for Att. Armed Robbery must be indicted by a Grand Jury; IF that is the case in Tennessee, it sounds like the DA may think that he does not even have enough evidence to do that.

To quote Sgt. Roger Murtagh; "sounds pretty f'n thin to me."
 
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