Charges against Janzen Jackson dropped - Should he play?

When should JJ play?

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#226
#226
General Jack said:
Agree, which is why it isn't as simple as "charges are dropped, play 'em." Its a difficult situation to digest... CLK will have to use judgment based on how well the staff knows JJ, JJ's attitude, and the facts and circumstances of this situation and his developing pattern of problematic behavior. Kiffin is in the best situation to know whether JJ is scared straight... and even then... he may be right or wrong, and JJ may change over time.

My main point is that I'm hoping that CLK will follow his MO to date and will make decision that factors in the long view heavily. If he determines that JJ does not respond to discipline then he will have to go.

We've seen the change in on-field performance that discipline (both on and off field) makes, comparing this season's performance to last seasons. Its been refreshing and I hope it continues.
Obviously, I hope that JJ has learned a lesson from these close calls... to watch himself, who he's with, and what's going on around him. There has been a lot of smoke since he's been on campus. I'd love to see him play Saturday... and I'd love to see him keep his nose clean over the next few years.
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That is the whole concern for me and if CLK is true to his word, then it is to him also and that's all that really matters when he makes his decision on JJ's future status.
 
#227
#227
He should be back on team. I had this same thing happen to me in my younger days and I was completely unaware of what the fools I was with was doing. Thanks God I was innocent until proven guilt. Go JJ
 
#229
#229
This is a long post, but this case isn’t an easy one to decide. In general, jumping to conclusions and making “knee-jerk” decisions will only make matters worse.

Initially, on the morning of the “crime” my thoughts were to get rid of all three of them. I couldn’t see any way possible they would ever play for UT again. As the initial shock wore off, I re-grouped and put my past training into play. My last job before I retired was as the boss of an organization with a lot of similarities to a college football team. It was very high profile, with a very similar age group and size (both players and coaches). I had bosses, but at the same time was almost totally in-charge of my organization. My staff was responsible for handling minor infractions, but I was ultimately responsible. For major infractions, I had the final say in how to proceed. Once or twice I had to defer any judgement to a higher authority, but most of the time it was my call.

I was required to base all my decisions on the rights of the individual and what was best for the organization. I couldn’t worry about how it would appear to “outsiders. ”Bad” people making “mistakes” were very easy to discipline. By keeping their rights in focus and knowing my authority, determining the punishment was usually straight forward--by-the-book. My most difficult decisions involved “good” people who made “stupid” mistakes. In these cases I attempted to “personalize” their punishment to what I thought would be the most effective for them. For some people, expressing my disappointment in their actions was enough--making them feel like they failed both me personally and the organization was the worst thing I could do to them. For others, it was the maximum punishment I could render--involving a combination of money/demotions/expulsions. In all cases, I assured them they had the opportunity to change, but it was up to them. Also, I never gave ultimatums such as “The next time I will do xxxxx to you.” because I didn’t want to back myself into a corner. I did tell them what could happen, though.

In some instances I had information that nobody in the organization had access to. Taking this additional information into account, sometimes people couldn’t understand why my punishment was less/greater than expected. Taking the “heat” from these kind of decisions was part of the job. I lost a few friends because of this, but that’s life.

Only knowing what I’ve heard on the news and in different forums, at a minimum, I don’t think JJ should play the remainder of this season, including a bowl game. Beyond that, possibly keeping him off the team until next fall is also within the realm of possibility. Making him earn his way back onto the team at that time would definitely tell me if he really wanted to be a Vol and was willing to earn that honor. But, this is only based on what I know. I’m certain CLK and his staff know more than I do (both about JJ personally and the incident), so I’m willing to agree with and accept whatever they decide. It could be anything from immediate re-instatement to being permanently suspended from the team.

Its still a great time to be a Vol!
 
#230
#230
ClearwaterVol said:
Suspension is dependent on the facts, which we do not know. People hollering about a suspension for the rest of the year have to realize JJ might have been attempting to stop the robbery. Folks in the other camp need to realize that he may have had some level of complicity and just rolled on the others to avoid facing charges.

Patience.
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reasonable
 
#231
#231
I have to disagree and think it's a terrible idea. Putting the players in charge is a quick way to let a program spiral out of control.
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exactly! they don't let them tell know who are they going to recruit! or game plan they shouldn't let the team tell them who should play or not! LET RONNIE LOTT JR. PLAY (JJ)
 
#232
#232
WxVol said:
This is a long post, but this case isn’t an easy one to decide. In general, jumping to conclusions and making “knee-jerk” decisions will only make matters worse.

Initially, on the morning of the “crime” my thoughts were to get rid of all three of them. I couldn’t see any way possible they would ever play for UT again. As the initial shock wore off, I re-grouped and put my past training into play. My last job before I retired was as the boss of an organization with a lot of similarities to a college football team. It was very high profile, with a very similar age group and size (both players and coaches). I had bosses, but at the same time was almost totally in-charge of my organization. My staff was responsible for handling minor infractions, but I was ultimately responsible. For major infractions, I had the final say in how to proceed. Once or twice I had to defer any judgement to a higher authority, but most of the time it was my call.

I was required to base all my decisions on the rights of the individual and what was best for the organization. I couldn’t worry about how it would appear to “outsiders. ”Bad” people making “mistakes” were very easy to discipline. By keeping their rights in focus and knowing my authority, determining the punishment was usually straight forward--by-the-book. My most difficult decisions involved “good” people who made “stupid” mistakes. In these cases I attempted to “personalize” their punishment to what I thought would be the most effective for them. For some people, expressing my disappointment in their actions was enough--making them feel like they failed both me personally and the organization was the worst thing I could do to them. For others, it was the maximum punishment I could render--involving a combination of money/demotions/expulsions. In all cases, I assured them they had the opportunity to change, but it was up to them. Also, I never gave ultimatums such as “The next time I will do xxxxx to you.” because I didn’t want to back myself into a corner. I did tell them what could happen, though.

In some instances I had information that nobody in the organization had access to. Taking this additional information into account, sometimes people couldn’t understand why my punishment was less/greater than expected. Taking the “heat” from these kind of decisions was part of the job. I lost a few friends because of this, but that’s life.

Only knowing what I’ve heard on the news and in different forums, at a minimum, I don’t think JJ should play the remainder of this season, including a bowl game. Beyond that, possibly keeping him off the team until next fall is also within the realm of possibility. Making him earn his way back onto the team at that time would definitely tell me if he really wanted to be a Vol and was willing to earn that honor. But, this is only based on what I know. I’m certain CLK and his staff know more than I do (both about JJ personally and the incident), so I’m willing to agree with and accept whatever they decide. It could be anything from immediate re-instatement to being permanently suspended from the team.

Its still a great time to be a Vol!
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Everybody save yourself some time and just read the last paragraph.

Is this up to Kiffin or Hamilton?I have a funny feeling that he will be let go but then again why wouldn't they have already done that with his prior problems.If he does stay,I say yes suspend him for the remainder of the season.
 
#233
#233
Vercingetorix said:
"The investigation and careful review of all relevant evidence failed to show ... Ms. Montmarquet or Mr. Jackson had prior knowledge that the attempted robbery was going to take place and were unaware something had occurred until after they pulled out of the Pilot store," according to the DA's statement.

That's as clear-cut a statement as you're ever going to get from the cops saying that they don't believe somebody was involved in a crime.
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Yes, it makes me think that Edwards and Richardson didn't implicate either of them in the crime and that they were far enough away when it happened that they couldn't even tell what they were doing.
 
#235
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GIVEHIM-6 said:
Everybody save yourself some time and just read the last paragraph.

Is this up to Kiffin or Hamilton?I have a funny feeling that he will be let go but then again why wouldn't they have already done that with his prior problems.If he does stay,I say yes suspend him for the remainder of the season.
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There is NOWAY JJ is kicked off the team after the Coaches and Admin stood behind him with THEIR lawyer, until the charges got dropped. I think a lot of you are wanting him further punished for what YOU "think" happened. The DA stated he had no idea a crime was going to be committed. It is NOT illegal to be out at 1am with idiot friends. Definitely not smart at all.....but he is an 18yr old KID. WOuld be interesting to know the pasy trangressions of all these people in glass houses saying to kick him off the team or not let him play. The AD and police have come out and said that JJ had NOTHING to do with this crime. The embarressment he has had to face the past few weeks, not only for himself but his entire family.....I personally think that is enough (along with missing THREE games already).
 
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#237
#237
Lord Vader said:
Jackson will play this Saturday. What we think on the matter is irrelevant...
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True,my opinion is irrelevant.I would love to see him play Saturday.I just think the University has to make a decision that doesn't make us look bad.Like I said,I have a funny feeling on how this will turn out.
 
#238
#238
BuckeyeVols said:
There is NOWAY JJ is kicked off the team after the Coaches and Admin stood behind him with THEIR lawyer, until the charges got dropped. I think a lot of you are wanting him further punished for what YOU "think" happened. The DA stated he had no idea a crime was going to be committed. It is NOT illegal to be out at 1am with idiot friends.
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I don't want him off the team,I just think the University has to make a decision for the better of the school.
 
#239
#239
I just dont think "we" know enough to make a decision one way the other. What ever the school and coach decide. I am fine with
 
#240
#240
GIVEHIM-6 said:
I don't want him off the team,I just think the University has to make a decision for the better of the school.
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They kicked the two guys who did it off the team. They suspended Jackson from all team activities while the investigation was ongoing, meaning he missed two games. Now charges have been dropped -- not a plea deal, not something Jackson agreed to, but dropped. I see no reason why letting him play now is somehow being soft. Thus far Kiffin has handled the incident exactly right.

Let's face it, the hit to our program's reputation was the incident itself, plastered across Sportscenter. The damage is done. Regardless of what happens to these kids in the legal system, we'll be hearing jokes about armed robbery from other teams' fans for years to come. Whether Jackson plays in the last game of the year won't change the perception of UT one bit in the long term. That horse has already left the barn.
 
#241
#241
Charges dropped against J. Jackson! When asked why the state attorney said, "Well shoot, I reckon he's good for at least 9 or 10 picks next year!"
 
#242
#242
GIVEHIM-6 said:
I don't want him off the team,I just think the University has to make a decision for the better of the school.
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How does punishing him further for a crime the DA's Office itself says he had no knowledge of happening until it was too late, "better for the school"?
 
#243
#243
Put him in. With the charges dropped, there has been no team infraction done here. Unless, maybe curfew? He has already missed enough games to redeem himself for that.
 
#244
#244
He has a failed drug test, and was out past curfew with "dumb and dumber"

Sit his A$$ for the rest of the year and make sure he is clean the rest of the school year befor letting him back on the team!

Take a stand against STUPID decisions!
 
#246
#246
suPEARLman said:
Put him in. With the charges dropped, there has been no team infraction done here. Unless, maybe curfew? He has already missed enough games to redeem himself for that.
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His missed games were based on pending charges....not missed curfew.
He should still be penalized for missing curfew...esp...after the failed test!
 
#247
#247
peaygolf89 said:
His missed games were based on pending charges....not missed curfew.
He should still be penalized for missing curfew...esp...after the failed test!
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what curfew? Pretty sure the staff stated weeks ago that there was no curfew
 
#248
#248
peaygolf89 said:
His missed games were based on pending charges....not missed curfew.
He should still be penalized for missing curfew...esp...after the failed test!
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Kiffin already stated there is no curfew in place.

At least there isn't at this point.
 
#250
#250
The justice system has prevailed. JJ has not been convicted of anything much less had to go to trial for anything. He's been totally exonerated regarding the robbery incident and I'm not about punishing a kid or anyone else for something they did not do. So let him play if that's what the coaches want.

HOWEVER I'll remind everyone CLK had him sitting out before this incident. I've not been aware CLK decided if JJ was going to sit 1 game or the rest of the season. I support CLK if he allows JJ to play against UK, sit until the bowl game, or sit until next year. CLK has my support in this matter.
 
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