Character vs. Talent

Which is the most important trait for a player to possess: character or talent?

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#27
#27
UTCorey said:
first of all it was a joke, and second...why so serious, you mad about something?
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Apologies if indeed you were joking, and yes, the win whatever the cost mentality is pi$$ln9 me off. We already have the nfl.
 
#29
#29
Character is nice and all but unfortunately it doesn't win games....talent does....PERIOD
 
#30
#30
g8terh8ter_eric said:
If they get thrown in jail, like many of our recent thugs have, it doesn't matter what kind of talent they have.
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Yeah the 98 team was a bunch of angels.

just one example UF and Miami greatest runs were on the field as well as in the courthouse.
plain and simple a good percentage of thugs can get you wins.
 
#31
#31
velovol said:
Yeah the 98 team was a bunch of angels.

just one example UF and Miami greatest runs were on the field as well as in the courthouse.
plain and simple a good percentage of thugs can get you wins.
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So do you permit thuggery in exchange for a national championship which would eventually tarnish your national image?
 
#32
#32
talent and work ethic. They dont have to be great people bu they do need to work hard on the football field
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#33
#33
The two are not mutually exclusive. Talent gets you noticed and you have to have a certain amount of talent to play in D1 football. Character means you will buy into the program that says you represent something more than just yourself, more than just the team and more than just the university. That seems to be wear Dooley is headed. The real question is, will you take a kid who is a 4 or 5* rated player who won't buy into the program? I say no. You take a 3* and teach, coach and mentor him and you have a solid foundation for a winning team.
 
#35
#35
Peyton Manning, Tee Martin, Eric Berry, Nick Revis, the list is endless. Character is learned. Some choose to accept good character some won't. Having good leadership from coaches to players is impoetant but it still will not always help those who choose to be selfish and live and do what ever they want with no regard to the outcome. With 100 kids there will always be those who choose the wrong way. All talented players are not men of bad character. Just as many if not more non 4 or 5 star athletes get into trouble by making bad decisions. I do not see the connection between character and talent.
 
#36
#36
jspvol76 said:
So do you permit thuggery in exchange for a national championship which would eventually tarnish your national image?
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yeah, what school wouldnt and what school hasnt.

Florida, Miami, Florida State (in the 90's), LSU, UGA have all been very successful this decade and all have had quite a bit of thuggery. Just a matter of time before bammers start to raise hell.

Now it looks like Fulmer may have invested a bit too much, but no doubt you need awholes to win.
 
#37
#37
UTCorey said:
Id rather have the talented thugs than the mediocre boyscouts if it means wins, we already have some bad apples and still arnt winning alot, atleast be able to win with your criminals lol
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With all due respect, you are assuming the outcome before you answer the question. I think all of us want to win - the question is, how do you do it? Shoot, I'd probably be happy with some 80 year old ladies playing if it meant we kicked the crap out of everyone and go undefeated every year...

The answer is that you have to balance character with talent. You take too many thugs and your program will implode from arrests, transfers, and lack of a team concept. You take too many character guys that don't have enough talent and you just won't ever get there.

Specific examples of each: Billy Ratliff had talent for sure, but also bad knees that severely limited him. I wouldn't have traded him for a healthy 5 star DT with a bad attitude and anyone who would is nuts. Without him we don't win the NC, and that's a fact.

I think Ambles is likely an example of a thug/prima donna that we didn't need - I'll take Da' Rick instead. Or Hunter. Anyone want to argue that we wouldn't have been better off with a high character 3 star than with NuKeese?

There is no simple answer. You just have to get the best combination/ratio of character and talent that you can and you absolutely cannot ignore either. :rock:
 
#38
#38
we wouldn't be looking at players unless they were talented enough to play in the SEC.. So, sifting through them and pursuing the ones with high character is the best idea, IMO.

Dooley's got this. :popcorn:
 
#39
#39
seems like some of the fans on this board would like for us to be in USC's shoes come 2020..

I say, no thanks.
 
#41
#41
If you can happen to get the 2 together (which is rare) you'll be one of the best teams around. Unfortunately, many big-time recruits could care less about their character but they've got the talent. I say you'll always have both. You've got the Reveiz brothers and then you've got the NuKeeses.
 
#42
#42
Justin Hunter and Da'Rick both seem to be high caliber, high character guys as well.
 
#44
#44
When i played high school football, our coach had a simple philosphy, you had to have character to play, if you even had a history of causing disruption or getting in trouble frequently, you didn't play on the team. I'm not talking about criminals, i'm talking about kids who simply acted up, got in trouble in class a lot, and got a lot of detention, he wouldn't let them on the team. Our record over my 4 years there = 22-23. Then after i graduated, our school got a new coach who didn't really have that philosphy, he's coached there for 6 years and over the last 4 years 3 of his players have been arrested. His record over those 4 years = 44-10.

This isn't high school football we're talking about, but i think it relates. It's important to have high character guys on your team. But, it's also very important to have talent on your team, and if some of that talent happens to not be of the highest character, than so be it.
 
#45
#45
Look, it's not rocket surgery. If there is a world class high school football player that has some skeletons in his closet tell him you would love for him to play for your program but there is a standard that will be upheld. He will be welcome, but on a short leash and no bs will be tolerated. If he is a part of the team structure we'll have his back as long as his behavior doesn't impact negatively on the team concept. Leave the ball in his court but he must understand there will be consequences for rules violations.
 
#46
#46
TylerD said:
seems like some of the fans on this board would like for us to be in USC's shoes come 2020..

I say, no thanks.
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Reggie Bush was never arrested.

Teams don't get put on probation for recruiting criminals, they get put on probation for letting them get paid.
 
#48
#48
TylerD said:
seems like some of the fans on this board would like for us to be in USC's shoes come 2020..

I say, no thanks.
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Every team in America has some players with baggage. Insisting on signing 85 choir boys is a good way to become Vanderbilt.
 
#50
#50
SGMVols said:
Every team in America has some players with baggage. Insisting on signing 85 choir boys is a good way to become Vanderbilt.
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Can't help wondering who gets the highest average salary.... The entire '09 UFL graduating class, or the '09 Vanderbilt class?

Just curious.... :)
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