Character vs. Talent

Which is the most important trait for a player to possess: character or talent?

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jspvol76

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I posed this question in the Hopkins thread, but he had to shut it down for the night, so I figured I would ask the Nation.

Can a team of character guys win a national championship?

It stems from a question to him about where we would end up in recruiting class ranking, and this was the answer.

Jhop said:
I sense that Dooley could give two cents for a good ranking, he's bringing in kids who are high character and want to buy what he's selling. That said around 12 this year.
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I am all for high character players no doubt, however, I don't know if that will get UT back to where I as a fan would like to see them. I have been in a debate about this with some fellow SEC fans since Kiffin left . I also understand that a #12 class ranking is no slouch in talent either. It would be ideal to have both in a class, but then it seems that if you start pulling in talent regardless of character it would go against what you have been selling as your principles.

Just curious....:popcorn:
 
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Why are the two seperate...? Have there never been talented sports figures who happen to be genuinely good role models?
 
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Don't know what to think about that. I have a LOT of character but not enough talent to play at a high enough level to help the team out. Wouldn't you say Vandy has high character players due to their academic requirements? BTW, talent over character seems to work for UF. Just sayin'.
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Volmorning said:
Don't know what to think about that. I have a LOT of charachter but not enough talent to play at a high enough level to help the team out. Wouldn't you say Vandy has high charachter players due to their academic requirements? BTW, talent over charachter seems to work for UF. Just sayin'.
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Let's not confuse character and wit. There are plenty of smart idiots.
 
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You need both, but another thing this team needs is strong vocal team leaders. That's something that I think our program has lacked for a few years now. Berry was a team leader, but I always thought of him more as a lead by example kind of player. I'm talking more along the lines of an Al Wilson type of team leader.
 
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Volmorning said:
Still, though, you have to agree on the UF part.
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Notice I didn't comment on the 2nd part.:)

However, I will say if you have one or two character leaders, ie. Tim Tebow, and the rest buffoons, then that poses a whole nother question.

Could you recruit a class full of "talent" players and a few "character-leader" players to set them straight when they act like morons? Maybe that is the key.

Or maybe it is the coaches job to get best players regardless, and then it is also their job to make sure they act like scholarship athletes representing their university.:question:

I am all over the board on this one.
 
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When you say UF has went to Talent over Character you're generalizing the whole team. There are individual players that are low character at Florida sure, there on every team, but individual players don't win championships...teams do.
 
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jspvol76 said:
Notice I didn't comment on the 2nd part.:)

However, I will say if you have one or two character leaders, ie. Tim Tebow, and the rest buffoons, then that poses a whole nother question.

Could you recruit a class full of "talent" players and a few "character-leader" players to set them straight when they act like morons? Maybe that is the key.
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That is exactly the way every good team I have ever been involved with was organized. Good post.
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hmanvolfan said:
What brought that on? Is that the kind of stuff that got the other thread closed?
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Too harsh? I'll edit if need be.

NM, I fixed it...sorry. Please remove my quote from your post.
 
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If winning is everything, you have to take some guys of questionable character and work hard both on and off the field. That's what we had last year. VT muddles along, gets to the bowl game, like they do every year, and whips the dog urine out of us...I could be proud of that, I'd rather have that.
 
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Ok, here's the plan. We will be good again with high character players, but it's gonna take about 18 years. We need Peyton Manning to impregnate about 85 women so we can field a great team in 2028.

Patience is a virtue.
 
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Taking guys who aren't going to leave and who will buy into what Dooley is selling is KEY at this point. We can't afford to have more players leaving, so we have to find guys who are going to stay and aren't too risky on character.
 
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Id rather have the talented thugs than the mediocre boyscouts if it means wins, we already have some bad apples and still arnt winning alot, atleast be able to win with your criminals lol
 
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UTCorey said:
Id rather have the talented thugs than the mediocre boyscouts if it means wins, we already have some bad apples and still arnt winning alot, atleast be able to win with your criminals lol
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Tell that to the kid in your avatar.
 
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UTCorey said:
Id rather have the talented thugs than the mediocre boyscouts if it means wins, we already have some bad apples and still arnt winning alot, atleast be able to win with your criminals lol
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If they get thrown in jail, like many of our recent thugs have, it doesn't matter what kind of talent they have.
 
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Everyone is looking too far into what Dooley said. If you don't try to spin what Dooley said, you will realize that he just wants kids to commit who can hopefully stay out of trouble with the law and with grades. What good is a great player if he keeps getting arrested or can't pass his classes to stay in school/not get kicked off the team? I don't see the big deal here. People act that the only kids Dooley is going after are those who can't play, period, but they spend all their time doing volunteer work or something. He just wants players that can play and behave, that's all. Not too much to ask is it?
 
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you have to have some talent to be recruited by the big programs but a 3star player that makes it to his sr. year will more than likely end up being better in the long run than say a 4star guy that gets arrested or quits to pursue his rap career.
 
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PrimeTime said:
Ok, here's the plan. We will be good again with high character players, but it's gonna take about 18 years. We need Peyton Manning to impregnate about 85 women so we can field a great team in 2028.

Patience is a virtue.
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Solid
 
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PrimeTime said:
Ok, here's the plan. We will be good again with high character players, but it's gonna take about 18 years. We need Peyton Manning to impregnate about 85 women so we can field a great team in 2028.

Patience is a virtue.
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I had high hopes for Travis Henry's children.
 
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