Chaney scoring points, but...

#26
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tvols75 said:
How many OCs in the SEC in the last decade have averaged 30 ppg in sec play? Also, there are multiple routes on third and short, and it's up to the qb to pick best route.
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I think you mistake me for someone that thinks Chaney is a bad OC. Are there better OCs out there, yes, but my only problem with him is his play calling.

If Chaney has a problem with Bray throwing it down field on short yardage situations, then he should reel him in. Otherwise, why isn't he running the ball on these 3rd and shorts? The one area of our team that has improved is our running game. Take advantage of that. There have been times this year where he hasn't.
 
#27
#27
VolFootballlover said:
Wrong... You would trade This offense for the 97 offense? We have played a harder schedule, better teams and still put up more yards even when teams knew we was playing catch up. You make just 1/3 of those 3rd down stops and your praising Chaney!
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The SECE is no where close to what it was in the late 1990s. Don't let these rankings fool you. It is absolutely the weakest Florida team in a generation. Georgia is still not elite. South Carolina was fortunate to beat a Derek Dooley coached TN team yesterday.

We all wish we could trade the 97 defense with this one. However, the 97 offense >> than this offense. I guess that's a good point, I think this offense could be right up there with the 97 offense if Chaney developed Bray and realized the strength of the running game, which he abandons at all the wrong time. That's my point.
 
#28
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NMVol said:
I don't know seems to me 3 times on the road in the SEC we have fumbled in the clutch in the 4th quarter driving for the win. Somethings just not right. Not sure what.
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bro do you think You could possibly give up 30+ points to any SEC team and win every time? It is not the offense guys. Make those 3rd down and long stops. Make those tackles half the time when they go from 5 yard out to a 70 yard touchdown and we have a couple of huge wins!
 
#29
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
The SECE is no where close to what it was in the late 1990s. Don't let these rankings fool you. It is absolutely the weakest Florida team in a generation. Georgia is still not elite. South Carolina was fortunate to beat a Derek Dooley coached TN team yesterday.

We all wish we could trade the 97 defense with this one. However, the 97 offense >> than this offense. I guess that's a good point, I think this offense could be right up there with the 97 offense if Chaney developed Bray and realized the strength of the running game, which he abandons at all the wrong time. That's my point.
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wait ... Your telling me the SEC isn't as strong as it was in the late 90's? Come on now bud.....
 
#30
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utkell65 said:
The biggest problem with chaney is his play calling. How many times have we seen 3rd and short and then see Bray slinging it 20 and 30 yards down field?
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Pass plays have multiple options, some short, some mid-range, and even some long. The QB reads the defensive coverage and picks the best option available. On 3rd and short, many teams will overload the box resulting in the need to throw the ball. If you get man coverage on JH without safety support, then that absolutely has to be an option. A guy with that height in single coverage against much shorter DBs is a mismatch (on paper) and can be a successful play.

If you listened to some of the Dooley press conferences, you would have heard him say that TB should have thrown some of those passes to a different receiver. The QB has the ultimate responsibility to find the best option on the pass plays. Sometimes the passes are caught and sometimes they are not, but the plays do not always end with the QB throwing to where the coach would have preferred.
 
#31
#31
Wrong coordinator...sals way over his head...O has to score every possession...Bray is still young in playing experience....over critical imo
 
#33
#33
i cant believe this even a thread. yea some of the play calling isnt perfect but that is to be expected the running game is 10 times better than last year and our offense is hands down the best in the SEC with uga being the only team that has an offense that is even comparable give me a break
 
#34
#34
Eddie Vol Halen said:
... he is still not an SEC OC. I maintain you could draw plays in the dirt and score a lot of points with this offense.

1. There has been zero development of Bray as a big-time QB.

2. Play-calling cost us Florida game, minimum. I think we have one of the most feast / famine high-octane offenses I've ever seen. The 3rd and short situations are absolutely ridiculous.

3. When Chaney's offense was throwing the ball well, we couldn't run. Now that he can run the football, he can't pass.

4. The philosophy. Pre-season Dooley said he bought into Chaney's "new philosophy" on offense. Doing what we do best. Since the NCST game, our run game has been consistent (despite Chaney's best efforts) and put up yards on the best defenses in the land while Bray and the passing game have stagnated. Dooley got the philosophy wrong again.

I'm killing time until the Gruden press conference. The defense is the #1 problem, but Chaney must still shoulder a lot of the blame too. We've scored a lot of points, but we've also left a lot of points on the field. Thoughts?
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I'm so tired of this crap-Chaney knows offense. And people want to rip his play-calling, fine, sometimes he makes you scratch your head, but so does 99% of OCs in the business. And besides-he is calling plays to fit the strength of his team.

Yes-I would love to see more of a power running game at times, but to complain about 35 points against SC, 44 against UGA, 31 against MSU....stupid.
 
#35
#35
The D has hurt. Can Bray be developed? There are some guys who just don't have it when the game is on the line. When he threw the pick at the end of the UNC game, we chalked it up to youth. When he failed to get a signature win last year, it was because of his supporting cast and no run game.

But now, we have five losses in which plays by Bray turned the game the wrong way. Bray got wild against UF when UT needed to respond. Bray choked 3 consecutive chances to tie up with UGA. Bray's mistakes put hopes to rest vs MSU. Bray tensed up early vs Bama and as per his MO stopped playing within the O. Now we have an otherwise good game for Bray.... but when the game is on the line he fumbles then throws one up into coverage with plenty of time to take something shorter.

Granted, the Hunter of two years ago probably catches that ball and scores.... but by now Bray and everyone else should know that Hunter isn't on this year's team.
 
#36
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sjt18 said:
The D has hurt. Can Bray be developed? There are some guys who just don't have it when the game is on the line. When he threw the pick at the end of the UNC game, we chalked it up to youth. When he failed to get a signature win last year, it was because of his supporting cast and no run game.

But now, we have five losses in which plays by Bray turned the game the wrong way. Bray got wild against UF when UT needed to respond. Bray choked 3 consecutive chances to tie up with UGA. Bray's mistakes put hopes to rest vs MSU. Bray tensed up early vs Bama and as per his MO stopped playing within the O. Now we have an otherwise good game for Bray.... but when the game is on the line he fumbles then throws one up into coverage with plenty of time to take something shorter.
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I think you have this spot-on.

Despite the defense, the offense has been in positions to win every game for us (cept Bama). And they have never pulled it out. Florida loss was ALL on Chaney (and we weren't behind in that one); defense actually made three fourth quarter stops against GA; against Cocks the third and short debacles did not help the defense, and that has been a consistent problem this year DESPITE excellent work by Graham, Pittman, O-line, and RBs.

Any OC should be able to score points with this offense. You could draw plays up in the dirt.

What this offense has never done under Chaney is pull out a big game.
 
#37
#37
burntorangeVOLffle said:
I agree that getting away from the run vs FL was a mistake. However, there were key drops that ended drives on correct play calls.

Other than that the offense has gotten better and more creative each week. They are constantly searching for ways to get the ball into CPs hands and trying to get Pig Howard involved (he did throw a TD yesterday). We've gone against some of the top defenses in the country and shredded them (with the exception of Bama).

As for Bray's development, well maybe Bray just doesn't have 'it'. That's just a reality.
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I think there are times when Bray doesn't think through what we need on third and short and will forgo the short completion for the longer more difficult pass. That's not really a problem with the play calling imo.
 
#38
#38
Eddie Vol Halen said:
I think you have this spot-on.

Despite the defense, the offense has been in positions to win every game for us (cept Bama). And they have never pulled it out. Florida loss was ALL on Chaney (and we weren't behind in that one); defense actually made three fourth quarter stops against GA; against Cocks the third and short debacles did not help the defense, and that has been a consistent problem this year DESPITE excellent work by Graham, Pittman, O-line, and RBs.

Any OC should be able to score points with this offense. You could draw plays up in the dirt.

What this offense has never done under Chaney is pull out a big game.
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i guess chaney should stop turning the ball over in the red zone with a minute left and it was his fault our defense gave up 3 80 yard plays in the 4th to florida and it was his fault we couldnt get the ball back with 6 minutes left against ms st...all chaneys fault
 
#39
#39
zreeves said:
i guess chaney should stop turning the ball over in the red zone with a minute left and it was his fault our defense gave up 3 80 yard plays in the 4th to florida and it was his fault we couldnt get the ball back with 6 minutes left against ms st...all chaneys fault
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Why has that been a consistent feature of his offense the last three years?

Clowney made a great play, and Tiny had been tremendous all game, but I thought to myself, "Damn. Every time with Chaney. Every time."
 
#40
#40
Eddie Vol Halen said:
... he is still not an SEC OC. I maintain you could draw plays in the dirt and score a lot of points with this offense.

1. There has been zero development of Bray as a big-time QB.

2. Play-calling cost us Florida game, minimum. I think we have one of the most feast / famine high-octane offenses I've ever seen. The 3rd and short situations are absolutely ridiculous.

3. When Chaney's offense was throwing the ball well, we couldn't run. Now that he can run the football, he can't pass.

4. The philosophy. Pre-season Dooley said he bought into Chaney's "new philosophy" on offense. Doing what we do best. Since the NCST game, our run game has been consistent (despite Chaney's best efforts) and put up yards on the best defenses in the land while Bray and the passing game have stagnated. Dooley got the philosophy wrong again.

I'm killing time until the Gruden press conference. The defense is the #1 problem, but Chaney must still shoulder a lot of the blame too. We've scored a lot of points, but we've also left a lot of points on the field. Thoughts?
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I understand that they have left points on the field and 3rd and short have been frustrating. But UF had 5 turnovers yesterday and lost 17-9. Should have had a chance to tie late. That is what a good defense will do. You have to have it to win big games. This offense has to play perfect and when you score 44, 31, and 35 points, you expect to win. The offense is under a microscope because we lose. If we had won some of these, it wouldn't be a big deal.
 
#41
#41
Eddie Vol Halen said:
I think you have this spot-on.

Despite the defense, the offense has been in positions to win every game for us (cept Bama). And they have never pulled it out. Florida loss was ALL on Chaney (and we weren't behind in that one); defense actually made three fourth quarter stops against GA; against Cocks the third and short debacles did not help the defense, and that has been a consistent problem this year DESPITE excellent work by Graham, Pittman, O-line, and RBs.

Any OC should be able to score points with this offense. You could draw plays up in the dirt.

What this offense has never done under Chaney is pull out a big game.
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But the offense is in that position because of the defense. I understand- we don't have players making big plays on either side. But how many third and long? The 3rd and goal from 26 was just inexcusable. We are in a different position if we hold him. The defense is forcing the offense to make plays at the end of the game.
 
#42
#42
I think he's getting better, actually, but I'm stumped as to why we practically never run any screens. Bray threw one yesterday that went for a big gain. Went right over Clowney's hands. It slows down aggressive defenses, and forces them to stay honest. I've seen Chavis' defenses getting gashed often, in the past, with them.
 
#43
#43
ImportedVoL said:
This is retarded..

Our offense did awesome yesterday.. 472 yards of offense against that defense is a great showing.

No one plays a perfect game, and to expect that is insanity

Defense needs to step up period.. end of story

stop giving up 40 points a game and our record would be drastically different.


Just really it boils down to, lets stop being dumb..place blame where it is due
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#44
#44
People stop *****ing about the Chaney. The offense is not the problem.
 
#45
#45
tvols75 said:
I bet there aren't many bad OCs that averaged 30 ppg in SEC play.
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Not many get as many snaps ( due to our D giving up so many points so quickly ) ...and most are much more effcient with the snaps they get and control the clock , keeping the defense off the field and helping with field position.
 
#46
#46
Chaney is not a good OC or QB coach. Yesterday he finally figured out what a short pass was ? Has Tyler Bray progressed since he has been here ?
 
#47
#47
Eddie Vol Halen said:
The SECE is no where close to what it was in the late 1990s. Don't let these rankings fool you. It is absolutely the weakest Florida team in a generation. Georgia is still not elite. South Carolina was fortunate to beat a Derek Dooley coached TN team yesterday.

We all wish we could trade the 97 defense with this one. However, the 97 offense >> than this offense. I guess that's a good point, I think this offense could be right up there with the 97 offense if Chaney developed Bray and realized the strength of the running game, which he abandons at all the wrong time. That's my point.
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I would like for you to go back and read all of your posts out loud to yourself and see if you truly believe the things that you are saying.
 
#48
#48
The OC gets bashed like all our coaches because we have fans with unrealistic expectations. Some think we should score every other play & not give up a yard on defense.
 
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#49
#49
govols/cc said:
The OC gets bashed like all our coaches because we have fans with unrealistic expectations. Some think we should score every other play & not give up a yard on defense.
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Or maybe people don't like watching the defense give up 30+ points per game.
 
#50
#50
Eddie Vol Halen said:
The SECE is no where close to what it was in the late 1990s. Don't let these rankings fool you. It is absolutely the weakest Florida team in a generation. Georgia is still not elite. South Carolina was fortunate to beat a Derek Dooley coached TN team yesterday.

We all wish we could trade the 97 defense with this one. However, the 97 offense >> than this offense. I guess that's a good point, I think this offense could be right up there with the 97 offense if Chaney developed Bray and realized the strength of the running game, which he abandons at all the wrong time. That's my point.
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what are you smoking? top to bottom the SEC for the past 5 or 6 years is the strongest it has ever been. Saying a team that was ranked as high as number 2 a couple days ago is the weakest in years..stop smoking dude.
 
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