Chances on Bailey Staying a Vol

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My only problem with JH is he knew what he had at qb at some point this summer and should have worked the transfer portal like Kentucky and others did. Had to be one out there better then what we have now. I think he made a big mistake putting all his eggs in Milton's basket.

Chaney was one lazy OC to not get better qbs.
 
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If you believe in Heupel, if you think he knows what he is doing, if you think he's the guy to lead Tennessee football back to where you want it to be......

Then you have to believe a guy who was a national championship winning QB, has coached offenses his whole career to a level of success that he earned a head coaching job at two different schools, can determine who his best QB is.

Personally, I am willing to bet heavily that Bailey isn't any good.
 
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gymmlover said:
My only problem with JH is he knew what he had at qb at some point this summer and should have worked the transfer portal like Kentucky and others did. Had to be one out there better then what we have now. I think he made a big mistake putting all his eggs in Milton's basket.

Chaney was one lazy OC to not get better qbs.
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This is 100% wrong.

First off, Chaney recruited Haynes King aggressively. We likely didn't land him because we already had Bailey (who was recruited by Helton). And Chaney got Hooker. So don't blame Chaney.

I agree that Heupel put too many eggs in the Milton basket, but I wouldn't say he put "all of them" there. Hooker clearly started against Florida in spite of Milton being able to play.

As for the transfer portal, who should he have gotten in February? Not a lot of gems out there at that point. People seem to keep forgetting that Heupel had a 2-month late start to the job.

I think Heupel will hit the transfer portal hard this off-season. He did pretty well considering when he took over; with a full off-season, he's going to be much more aggressive there.

As for Milton, I never thought he would pan out, but I understand the logic behind it. We had a buttload of roster spots and Heupel threw a deep pass hoping to connect, but unfortunately overthrew on this one. But the appeal is obvious; if Milton could get his throwing problems in control, he's a sure fire NFL first rounder. Problem is --- he's had the same accuracy issues for 8 years; no coach is going to fix it.
 
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I love all of the QB and system expertise on the board. I wish I had the ability to discern who “fits the system” like some. I learn so much being here.

And here, I always thought a good system was able to adapt to the talent on hand. Somebody should tell Nick Saban that’s not how it works. It impossible to utilize a statuesque game manager one year, and a dual threat the next with any success.
 
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99gator said:
If you believe in Heupel, if you think he knows what he is doing, if you think he's the guy to lead Tennessee football back to where you want it to be......

Then you have to believe a guy who was a national championship winning QB, has coached offenses his whole career to a level of success that he earned a head coaching job at two different schools, can determine who his best QB is.

Personally, I am willing to bet heavily that Bailey isn't any good.
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The question always will be if the guru coach had put as much time in Bailey as he did Milton, how good could Bailey be. It's fairly obvious that all the time put into Milton was a waste.
 
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FlintstoneGAVol said:
The question always will be if the guru coach had put as much time in Bailey as he did Milton, how good could Bailey be. It's fairly obvious that all the time put into Milton was a waste.
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I agree, additionally Beldar stated he didn't have time to work with HB.
So it's been on Bailey to find his way. Honestly he's still a freshman. I also agree JH knows the Oline was the weak spot. No backups when a starter goes down.
If Bailey stays onboard though next season I would not be surprised to see him shine at some point.
To make that happen you need reps with the ones. You need playing time with the ones.
 
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Bailey's signature move was stiff handing the defender into the endzone. like 25 yards. (that really happened).
 
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gymmlover said:
My only problem with JH is he knew what he had at qb at some point this summer and should have worked the transfer portal like Kentucky and others did. Had to be one out there better then what we have now. I think he made a big mistake putting all his eggs in Milton's basket.

Chaney was one lazy OC to not get better qbs.
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We took 2 transfer QB's. How many did you want us to take?
 
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Zues1 said:
I agree, additionally Beldar stated he didn't have time to work with HB.
So it's been on Bailey to find his way. Honestly he's still a freshman. I also agree JH knows the Oline was the weak spot. No backups when a starter goes down.
If Bailey stays onboard though next season I would not be surprised to see him shine at some point.
To make that happen you need reps with the ones. You need playing time with the ones.
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This offense requires the threat for the QB to run. Everyone says Bailey can't run so is he gonna magically develop that attribute next year?
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Bailey hasn’t looked good in his limited action in my opinion. Hooker appears to be the best option. Bailey looks like another bust for us
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I wouldn't call him a bust yet. He has had one spring and 2 fall practice sessions. Some players take longer for the transition from high school to college. Last year he looked serviceable at time in the games that he started, This year he has played 3 series. As for what we have on the roster, Hooker is by far the better of the three.
 
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wtf are you people talking about? Bailey is a better runner than passer. He has been working all off season on his passing skills (and got big), and now waiting on the recievers to catch up. You people are weird. Anyone want to find the video of Bailey stiff arming the guys down the field? I'm too lazy to look it up now.
 
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gymmlover said:
My only problem with JH is he knew what he had at qb at some point this summer and should have worked the transfer portal like Kentucky and others did. Had to be one out there better then what we have now. I think he made a big mistake putting all his eggs in Milton's basket.

Chaney was one lazy OC to not get better qbs.
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He got TWO qb's off the transfer Portal, How many more should he have recruited?
 
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gymmlover said:
My only problem with JH is he knew what he had at qb at some point this summer and should have worked the transfer portal like Kentucky and others did. Had to be one out there better then what we have now. I think he made a big mistake putting all his eggs in Milton's basket.

Chaney was one lazy OC to not get better qbs.
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Wrong, just wrong.

Chaney didn't forget how to run his offense or how to recruit and develop quarterbacks over night. Beldar Pruitt cuffed Chaney's hands and dictated the offense with JG, Chaney ran a pro-style offense and I think he recruited HB and BM for his system. Now, CJH runs a different offense that requires accuracy, mobility and quick decisions, which HB apparently does not fit all three requirements.

Look at Chaney's history - Purdue, Tennessee, Georgia, etc., he put numbers up annually and put QBs in the league.

GBO
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
If you look at Milton & Hooker, neither one are elite passers but they both bring mobility to this offense.

It’s very possible JH knew the O-Line wasn’t one of our strengths this year and he had to have a QB that could do damage with his legs in order for the offense to sustain drives consistently.

Watching Bailey play, he’s not a threat to run with his legs and is limited offensively. Is he a better passer? Maybe but the O-Line is definitely not good enough to give Bailey time to make the necessary throws.

Most likely, Bailey won’t see the field unless Milton & Hooker go down with injuries.
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So we still doing this 🤔
 
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alabama has never been beat, and never will. they are the greatest team that ever was, and will be champions again. sleep easy tonight alabama...

(sometimes, i still have to check myself).
 
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IMO, we have 3 capable QBs, but maybe not any world beaters. Milton has been fairly effective outside the end of the Florida game. And technically, he still lead us down inside the red zone, though it was garbage time. Overall, he reads the defense pretty well and seems to make the right reads. He's just very inaccurate on any throws over 15 yards or so. Hasn't put the ball in harms way so far in the air, though it's not hard to do when you throw 5 rows up in the stands.

Hooker is also effective. He is better with the ball in his hands than Milton. He too reads the defense pretty well, but has a tendency to stair down his receivers too often and also has some accuracy issues on deep passes (though not a pronounced as Milton).

We have seen very little of Bailey, particularly in this new offense. But what we saw last year showed us he is pretty accurate overall and seems to be able to read a defense. His issues were holding onto the ball too long and pocket awareness. He also wasn't super accurate on deep passes either, but like Hooker, was nowhere near as bad as Milton has shown. And while Bailey can scramble, he isn't much of a threat in the running game.

I think all 3 could run the offense pretty well if called upon. But Hooker seems to do it the best based on what little film we have to go on.
 
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