Chances Butch Jones heads to ND ?

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LWSVOL said:
if Butch bolted, we would expedite an AD hire because no coaching hire would transpire until the AD was named. That likely will be completed by New Years but could move up if a coach hire needed.. Depends on if state policy would allow it to move faster.

As far as a coaching replacement, please think in terms of 2.7 to 3.3 million as the price tag we shop at. it is what we do....
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I would imagine since ND would be paying us for Butch, we could start at 3.3 Million. I believe in this scenario, our program condition would be the proof to spend more than our normal budget hire mentality


"Jones, who is 20-17 overall in three seasons at Tennessee, would owe the Volunteers $4 million if he leaves before Feb. 28, 2017 and $3 million if he leaves between that date and Feb. 28, 2018."


Notre Dame, in this scenario, basically gives us 4 million to start out for our next coach. I would assume if we are in a position where our coach leaves for another job and we get paid, our boosters would spend more money than usual. They haven't been in this position from a spending perspective before.
 
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I have a great friend of 15+ years that works in the school operations office for 25+ years, I floated that question to him and his response was laughter, he said the name floating around is Lane Kiffin, he also implied that Kelly may get one more year just because of contract structure more than anything else....
 
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koolaid4sale said:
I have a great friend of 15+ years that works in the school operations office for 25+ years, I floated that question to him and his response was laughter, he said the name floating around is Lane Kiffin, he also implied that Kelly may get one more year just because of contract structure more than anything else....
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IMO Kiffie will not show up at ND if they are under sanctions and loss of schollies. He's been there done that, won't screw that pooch again.
 
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Lovesomebigorange said:
LWS I know you said coaches always listen and I agree- but is Butch really unhappy here? I know he's frustrated and disappointed in this season, but is there more to this or is media just stirring the pot?
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Not sure if I would classify as unhappy or just a mixture of all those feelings. I know his long term goals have been pro ball. Don't think that has changed at this point.

How does Tennessee fit into his long term goals after a disappointing season? Missing Atlanta missed his goal for this year so that is a disappointment. Could that cause him to listen to suitors more closely? Perhaps. Its just his call on jobs that help him reach his goals
 
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JMSqb11 said:
I would imagine since ND would be paying us for Butch, we could start at 3.3 Million. I believe in this scenario, our program condition would be the proof to spend more than our normal budget hire mentality


"Jones, who is 20-17 overall in three seasons at Tennessee, would owe the Volunteers $4 million if he leaves before Feb. 28, 2017 and $3 million if he leaves between that date and Feb. 28, 2018."


Notre Dame, in this scenario, basically gives us 4 million to start out for our next coach. I would assume if we are in a position where our coach leaves for another job and we get paid, our boosters would spend more money than usual. They haven't been in this position from a spending perspective before.
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our history just does not support that. We have had plenty of money in the past available but not pursued high price coaches. I would have to see it happen to believe it
 
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LWSVOL said:
our history just does not support that. We have had plenty of money in the past available but not pursued high price coaches. I would have to see it happen to believe it
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I'm more worried about cooperation among the big money guys than actual money being available.
 
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LWSVOL said:
Not sure if I would classify as unhappy or just a mixture of all those feelings. I know his long term goals have been pro ball. Don't think that has changed at this point.

How does Tennessee fit into his long term goals after a disappointing season? Missing Atlanta missed his goal for this year so that is a disappointment. Could that cause him to listen to suitors more closely? Perhaps. Its just his call on jobs that help him reach his goals
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He would need to completely overhaul his persona to fit in the NFL. He's Greg Schiano, part 2. Rah-rah cliche types tend to not work in the NFL these days.

Could you imagine Butch offering up his most recent cliche in his weekly presser when his team is 2-9?
 
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If butch goes to the nfl in a couple of years, he needs to come up with some new motivational sayings--millionaire players don't buy into the college stuff
 
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VolsRule said:
If butch goes to the nfl in a couple of years, he needs to come up with some new motivational sayings--millionaire players don't buy into the college stuff
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Unless the NFL expands to 128 teams, I don't think Butch has to worry about the NFL anytime soon.
 
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This is one of the few jobs that' I actually see likely he takes . He is a catholic , it's up north , it's a big time program that I could actually see wanting Butch because IMO he would be really high on there big board . I don't know to many coaches that can turn around a program and helps ADs sleep at night . Butch is a one of the best in PR
 
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LWSVOL said:
our history just does not support that. We have had plenty of money in the past available but not pursued high price coaches. I would have to see it happen to believe it
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You're right. However, we have never gotten a 4 million dollar check from another school for our coach. This would be the one time we absolutely can't go cheap/budget
 
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VolsRule said:
If butch goes to the nfl in a couple of years, he needs to come up with some new motivational sayings--millionaire players don't buy into the college stuff
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That could turn pretty entertaining with Butch.

Even Saban struggled to deal with his players.

Zach Thomas used to openly mock him at practice.
 
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I've not read 18 pages of insanity.....but there is exactly ZERO chance ND hires Butch Jones and there is ZERO chance he is even considered for the position.

BUT

If he does show interest in another job....let him go. He and his agent screwed us once with this "Oh someone from Michigan called Butch Jones" garbage a few years ago.

If he wants to be here....He needs to learn to grow. He has weaknesses.....plenty of them.....he needs to acknowledge them and learn to improve in those areas. It is my understanding from conversations with current and former players and their families that Butch fancies himself a "Football Genius" and refuses to acknowledge that there could be flaws in his "systems"

The sooner he realizes that he is flawed in that thinking....the better he and Tennessee Football will be.

Until then....he's just a walking cliche machine that could be replaced by a tape recorder.

If he doesn't want to be here.....Well......bye.
 
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Boca Vol said:
He would need to completely overhaul his persona to fit in the NFL. He's Greg Schiano, part 2. Rah-rah cliche types tend to not work in the NFL these days.

Could you imagine Butch offering up his most recent cliche in his weekly presser when his team is 2-9?
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Saban did not work out in the NFL. Butch needs to stay at UT and finish the job or he will never be more than what he is right now. And I think if he stays and makes the right decisions, it could work out very well.
 
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1. Don't think CBJ is a big enough name for ND.

2. If CBJ ever leaves UT on his own, I could see if being for Michigan St (in a few years). The state of Michigan was his home. UM is going to go after a big name to replace Harbaugh, when he chooses to leave.
 
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esarmstrong said:
Not everyone in America thinks as poorly of Butch as some of our fans apparently do.
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I would agree with that statement,especially with schools that are happy to make a bowl game most years,but as far as challenging for National championships....it's not happening with Butch.
 
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