Championship coaches records in year 3

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USMC-TNVOL said:
He was a NFL head coach though. My point is it’s not easy to become a successful NC head coach without any prior experience. Regardless, I don’t think Pruitt will work out unless they’re going to allow him to learn on the job for a longer period of time.
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And this is why hiring him was idiotic. Athletic departments serious about championships dont offer apprenticeships for HCs
 
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#83
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
And this is why hiring him was idiotic. Athletic departments serious about championships dont offer apprenticeships for HCs
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Well let's see, there were a ton of quality coaches with head coaching experience just knocking down the door to come to Tennessee. NOT. The few head coaches that were contacted turned us down and then there was the pedophile or what ever you want to call him. Pruitt was probably about the 10th choice.
 
#84
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Fatman Photos said:
Well let's see, there were a ton of quality coaches with head coaching experience just knocking down the door to come to Tennessee. NOT. The few head coaches that were contacted turned us down and then there was the pedophile or what ever you want to call him. Pruitt was probably about the 10th choice.
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Imagine that, when you offer "up-and-coming coordinator to HC money", it's hard to lure away a seasoned head coach.
 
#85
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VFL-82-JP said:
Johnny Majors -- 7-5 in his third season (then 5-6 in his fourth) at Tennessee. But before all of that, 5-6 in his third year as a head coach (Iowa State).


But hell, let's fahr em all!


BTW, @Flipdaddy, Saban's record in his third year as head coach was 6-6. And then 7-5 in his fourth season. And 6-6 again in his fifth.

Pruitt is a new head coach. Compare him to other new head coaches for valid results.
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We're Tennessee, so that probably means Pruitt will win a national title...in 2028 when he's Alabama's head coach.
 
#86
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LTVol said:
No QB by year three, And whose fault is that?
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Can't argue with that. This is on the HC and the staff for failures at recruiting and development. Great coaches get the most out of who they have. And, when they get "their" guys, they take it to the next level. Kind of the "I'll take mine and beat yours, then take yours and beat mine" thing. Great coaches win with what they have. They scheme, they get every but out of the guys on the field.
 
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05_never_again said:
We're Tennessee, so that probably means Pruitt will win a national title...in 2028 when he's Alabama's head coach.
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That would be the real kick in the teeth. Being "Michigan State'd."

One of these days, if we stay on this course, we're going to suffer that. A head coach we fire will go out and win conference and national championships somewhere else.

We tend to be quick on the trigger in the new millennium. The days of 15- and 16-year tenured "deans of SEC football" wearing orange and white, a la Neyland and Majors and Fulmer, seem to be in our past.

If only we could find in ourselves the same patience we had with Johnny.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Imagine that, when you offer "up-and-coming coordinator to HC money", it's hard to lure away a seasoned head coach.
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Well since he was about 10th down the list of people offered, at some point someone has to take it. No one was knocking the door down for the job, just turning it down.
 
#89
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VFL-82-JP said:
Johnny Majors -- 7-5 in his third season (then 5-6 in his fourth) at Tennessee. But before all of that, 5-6 in his third year as a head coach (Iowa State).


But hell, let's fahr em all!


BTW, @Flipdaddy, Saban's record in his third year as head coach was 6-6. And then 7-5 in his fourth season. And 6-6 again in his fifth.

Pruitt is a new head coach. Compare him to other new head coaches for valid results.
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You skipped the part where Johnny Majors won a natty at Pitt, this is such a tired and frankly lazy comparison.

If you're going to make that comparison at least show the whole picture.
 
#90
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kbear01 said:
Right. Both Fulmer and Dabo inherited a gold mine of talent.
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Ok so in year 3 we should begin to see the roster improve, right? But the development has regressed and Pruitts best results came with Jones players. Now we're seeing Pruitts work on the field and it sucks
 
#91
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Volsfaninva917 said:
You skipped the part where Johnny Majors won a natty at Pitt, this is such a tired and frankly lazy comparison.

If you're going to make that comparison at least show the whole picture.
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I think it is you who are misunderstanding the comparison.

The question was whether the really good coaches win big (titles, double-digit wins) in their first three years as a head coach.

And the answer is, often, No. For every Urban Meyer who starts winning big almost immediately, there's a Nick Saban who starts his head coaching tenure more slowly. Johnny Majors is in the latter category. He went 5-6 in his third year as a head coach, at Iowa State, long before he got to Pitt for a national championship or to Tennessee for SEC crowns. That was precisely the question being argued, and the answer Johnny's career gives us precisely fits. Neither tired, nor lazy, nor in any other way less than accurate and fitting.

On top of which, I mention Johnny's slow start at UT to make a second point: we were less impatient back then. And could use a little more of that patience these days.

Do you get it now?
 
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#92
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VFL-82-JP said:
I think it is you who are misunderstanding the comparison.

The question was whether the really good coaches win big (titles, double-digit wins) in their first three years as a head coach.

And the answer is, often, No. For every Urban Meyer who starts winning big almost immediately, there's a Nick Saban who starts his head coaching tenure more slowly. Johnny Majors is in the latter category. He went 5-6 in his third year as a head coach, at Iowa State, long before he got to Pitt for a national championship or to Tennessee for SEC crowns. That was precisely the question being argued, and the answer Johnny's career gives us precisely fits. Neither tired, nor lazy, nor in any other way less than accurate and fitting.

On top of which, I mention Johnny's slow start at UT to make a second point: we were less impatient back then. And could use a little more of that patience these days.

Do you get it now?
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You skipped right over his time at Pitt, you mentioned 1 season at Iowa State and a couple at UT.

Pruitt is in way over his head, he's not smart enough to run a program
 
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#93
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Flipdaddy said:
Saban - 14-0
Fulmer - 11-1
Miles- 12-2
Meyer - 9-4 after going 13-1 in year 2
Stoops - 11-2
Carroll - 12-1

Championship coaches don’t usually regress. The exception is Dabo. He went 6-7 in his third year and then his program took off but that’s the ACC.
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In his first job at MSU Saban was 7-5 in his third season.

1995 6-5-1
1996 6-6
1997 7-5
1998 6-6
1999 9-2

Took ole Nicky five seasons to have a decent record. And its a better analogy because this is Pruitt's first HC job. Heck, Saban even had a practice year as HC at Toledo in 1990.
 
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BanditVol said:
In his first job at MSU Saban was 7-5 in his third season.

1995 6-5-1
1996 6-6
1997 7-5
1998 6-6
1999 9-2

Took ole Nicky five seasons to have a decent record. And its a better analogy because this is Pruitt's first HC job. Heck, Saban even had a practice year as HC at Toledo in 1990.
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Pruitt is looking at 3-7 his third season, so it's a moot point.

Saban never had a losing season at Michigan State, or at any stops as a HC, and Pruitt is going to have two going into his 4th year as a head coach.
 
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#96
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DiderotsGhost said:
Dabo Swinney 6-7
Mack Brown 9-3
Gene Chizik 8-5
Bobby Bowden 8-3
Don James 8-4
Bobby Ross 7-4
Bill McCartney 1-10
Lavell Edwards 7-4-1
Danny Ford 6-5

Pruitt has been disappointing this year, but I get sick of these simplistic narratives that every great coach was "great" in Year 2 or Year 3. You're just not looking very hard at CFB history. In addition to these, there are plenty of others that were mediocre in their actual 3rd Year as head coach, who went on to win a national title with another program, such as:

Nick Saban 7-5
Gene Stallings 7-4 (but 3-7 in Year 4)

Also, it was a lot quicker to turn around a roster in earlier periods, particularly back in the 70s and 80s. But even in 2010 it was easier. There are so many scholarship restrictions now, that it makes it a lot more difficult to fix things quickly in the modern day game.

It's just not nearly as simple as a lot of people make it out to be. There are some things that Pruitt is doing that are great. He's a program-builder, similar to Johnny Majors. His recruiting the past 2 cycles (2020 and 2021) has been great. I've yet to hear a single bad thing about him from players and coaches. Recruits believe in him (listen to Kaidon Salter, our 2021 class QB, right now).

There are some things that I worry he'll never figure out, like how not to micromanage the offense. His insistence on an old-fashioned run-oriented offense is absolutely handicapping us right now. Even though Saban is Pruitt's mentor, I worry that he may not have Saban's adaptability. Saban's not an innovator, but when he sees innovation, he's willing to change his own game to incorporate that.

And why is QB play so awful? People keep blaming JG and I'm starting to as well, but then, the other QBs don't play any better. Hopefully, we see something soon from Harrison Bailey, but maybe JG isn't the real problem, as every QB has looked worse here.

Pruitt gets at least 1-2 more years regardless. Hopefully he figures it out. He has the right mentality, but we'll have to wait and see.
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Dabo’s 3rd year as the head football coach, Clemson went 10-4.
 
#97
#97
Flipdaddy said:
Saban - 14-0
Fulmer - 11-1
Miles- 12-2
Meyer - 9-4 after going 13-1 in year 2
Stoops - 11-2
Carroll - 12-1

Championship coaches don’t usually regress. The exception is Dabo. He went 6-7 in his third year and then his program took off but that’s the ACC.
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Most good HC's had EXP as head coach's before that right? Some have a hard time making that transition. Not defending Pruitt, but Nick has been a HC since what 1990? What if we look at his record has a 1st time HC in his 3rd year? Saban was 9-2

I know that doesn't help Pruitt look any better and he very well not be HC material. I'm just not ready to be 100% out on him in the 3rd year where the world is falling apart and the NCAA is handing out fines for not having on a mask on.
 
#98
#98
VOLnVANDYland said:
Anywhere in my post did I defend this coaching staff? Just curious, or are you that bad at reading comprehension
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Well I think you just asked someone who cares about their opinion and their post started with a simple fact and then pretty much a vote of no confidence in this staff. So if your going to start telling people who cares about your opinion when they are not supportive of this staff then you may want to quit your day job cause you’ll be busy. If you haven’t noticed not a lot of folks here are in Pruitts camp and the person you made that comment to had made a fairly mild comment comparatively to most I have seen.
 
#99
#99
VOLnVANDYland said:
Anywhere in my post did I defend this coaching staff? Just curious, or are you that bad at reading comprehension
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Your hilarious. Just looked and another poster pretty much said the same thing to you that I did in that the person you made a comment to basically stated more facts than opinions. People don’t take to kindly here of telling others no one cares about their opinion. This is basically the place to share opinions.
 
#100
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BeardedVol said:
Pruitt is looking at 3-7 his third season, so it's a moot point.

Saban never had a losing season at Michigan State, or at any stops as a HC, and Pruitt is going to have two going into his 4th year as a head coach.
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Or...we cancel the game with Tamu, beat Auburn and Vandy, make it to a bowl and win, and go 5-5. It is possible. Pruit did beat Auburn two years ago down there, and even with JG at QB.
 
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