CFN says returning talent good enough for preseason 14 ranking

#51
#51
I think Tennessee is going to really miss Barnett and the feet of Dobbs.

There was a time when Georgia put running back after running back into the NFL. Some were better than others, but none of them were the next Herschel.

Tennessee may have a replacement for Barnett who may play in the NFL as well, but he ain't going to be Barnett
 
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volgrad500 said:
We could possibly win the East. We'd be bottom third in the West, but apparently our fans have become okay with that.[/Q

And they expect others to embrace..." better than Dooley" lol

Get out of here with excuses and mediocre mentality.
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BeardedVol said:
Trying to deflect the question with "the ACC sucked back then" doesn't explain how the situations are similar.

For example, the SEC minus Alabama, sucked in 2016, but CBJ couldn't even win the division, unlike Dabo, who was winning conference titles when "the ACC sucked" (not to mention that he wins it when the conference is good too)
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I like I minimize but when you do it it's ok. I don't hold Jones first two years against him. He had no one drafted for two consecutive years bc Dooley recruited so poorly. I start Jones from two years ago. He's 9-4 in those two. That's impressive considering where we were. In a not so rebuilding year dabo had a horrible 2nd or 3rd year. It will be alright.
 
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smokey0625 said:
I like I minimize but when you do it it's ok. I don't hold Jones first two years against him. He had no one drafted for two consecutive years bc Dooley recruited so poorly. I start Jones from two years ago. He's 9-4 in those two. That's impressive considering where we were. In a not so rebuilding year dabo had a horrible 2nd or 3rd year. It will be alright.
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So now we are giving CBJ a pass on his first two years because of Dooley? Wow.
 
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BeardedVol said:
So now we are giving CBJ a pass on his first two years because of Dooley? Wow.
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The fact you don't is mind bottling (movie reference). He had to rebuild because Rome was burnt to a crisp. I live in reality and I know that no coach could have won in those years, but Jones did. He beat a top 3 cock team and won a bowl game the next year.
 
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smokey0625 said:
The fact you don't is mind bottling (movie reference). He had to rebuild because Rome was burnt to a crisp. I live in reality and I know that no coach could have won in those years, but Jones did. He beat a top 3 cock team and won a bowl game the next year.
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Jones inherited a team that went 22-27 (0.449) over the previous 4 years and a roster that had only 3 players who would be drafted by the NFL. Jones went 30-21 (0.588) in his first 4 years - a 31% improvement...of course starting at the bottom makes it easier to show improvement but also makes it much more difficult to be elite...that takes time

For comparison, Majors inherited a team that went 28-17-2 (0.622) over the previous 4 years and a roster that had 10 players who would be drafted by the NFL. Funny, Johnny managed to do even worse than Battle: he went 21-23-1 (0.477)...that's a change in winning percentage of -23%!

But Johnny, with the help of good assistant coaches did build the talent level and the program. He had back to back SEC titles in 1989 and 1990...but he was asked to leave in 1992...

Fulmer inherited a team that went 38-9-2 (0.809) over the previous 4 years and as noted, won 2 SEC championships...the roster he inherited had 22 players who would be drafted by the NFL. Phil's record over his first 4 years was 39-9...basically he kept the Vols at the same level as Majors...the change in winning percentage was less than 1%...

What about Jones' contemporaries? Everyone loves Jim McElwain. The team he inherited went 28-21 (0.571) over the previous 4 seasons - about what Jones has done. But in terms of inherited talent, McElwain was a lottery winner. He took over a roster with 7 players drafted after his first year and at least 5 are projected to be drafted this year and as many as 9 could get signed...he inherited talent similar to what Fulmer did…
 
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KBVol said:
Did you just ask why some say top 15 is "a stretch" while concluding we'll be a top 20-25 team? Didn't you just answer your own question?
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Preseason top 15 and how we actually finish the season are two different things. I usually agree with your posts, but I think we are arguing semantics here. I see us being preseason top 15, but dropping a game or two along the way we shouldn't, which has been our pattern for the Butch era. So end up 20-25 at season end.
 
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Sarms58 said:
Jones inherited a team that went 22-27 (0.449) over the previous 4 years and a roster that had only 3 players who would be drafted by the NFL. Jones went 30-21 (0.588) in his first 4 years - a 31% improvement...of course starting at the bottom makes it easier to show improvement but also makes it much more difficult to be elite...that takes time

For comparison, Majors inherited a team that went 28-17-2 (0.622) over the previous 4 years and a roster that had 10 players who would be drafted by the NFL. Funny, Johnny managed to do even worse than Battle: he went 21-23-1 (0.477)...that's a change in winning percentage of -23%!

But Johnny, with the help of good assistant coaches did build the talent level and the program. He had back to back SEC titles in 1989 and 1990...but he was asked to leave in 1992...

Fulmer inherited a team that went 38-9-2 (0.809) over the previous 4 years and as noted, won 2 SEC championships...the roster he inherited had 22 players who would be drafted by the NFL. Phil's record over his first 4 years was 39-9...basically he kept the Vols at the same level as Majors...the change in winning percentage was less than 1%...

What about Jones' contemporaries? Everyone loves Jim McElwain. The team he inherited went 28-21 (0.571) over the previous 4 seasons - about what Jones has done. But in terms of inherited talent, McElwain was a lottery winner. He took over a roster with 7 players drafted after his first year and at least 5 are projected to be drafted this year and as many as 9 could get signed...he inherited talent similar to what Fulmer did…
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Uh oh, what are you thinking bringing facts over opinions up in here.


Seriously, good stuff.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Preseason top 15 and how we actually finish the season are two different things. I usually agree with your posts, but I think we are arguing semantics here. I see us being preseason top 15, but dropping a game or two along the way we shouldn't, which has been our pattern for the Butch era. So end up 20-25 at season end.
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Thanks for clarification. Gotcha.
 
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ConMan said:
I can't believe that guy gets paid to write.
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Seriously! I'd need to see the check, and even then the memo line would have to explicitly state "For those poorly reasoned, typo-laden articles you post on CFN."

Until then, I don't believe this is that guy's job.
 
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Sarms58 said:
Jones inherited a team that went 22-27 (0.449) over the previous 4 years and a roster that had only 3 players who would be drafted by the NFL. Jones went 30-21 (0.588) in his first 4 years - a 31% improvement...of course starting at the bottom makes it easier to show improvement but also makes it much more difficult to be elite...that takes time

For comparison, Majors inherited a team that went 28-17-2 (0.622) over the previous 4 years and a roster that had 10 players who would be drafted by the NFL. Funny, Johnny managed to do even worse than Battle: he went 21-23-1 (0.477)...that's a change in winning percentage of -23%!

But Johnny, with the help of good assistant coaches did build the talent level and the program. He had back to back SEC titles in 1989 and 1990...but he was asked to leave in 1992...

Fulmer inherited a team that went 38-9-2 (0.809) over the previous 4 years and as noted, won 2 SEC championships...the roster he inherited had 22 players who would be drafted by the NFL. Phil's record over his first 4 years was 39-9...basically he kept the Vols at the same level as Majors...the change in winning percentage was less than 1%...

What about Jones' contemporaries? Everyone loves Jim McElwain. The team he inherited went 28-21 (0.571) over the previous 4 seasons - about what Jones has done. But in terms of inherited talent, McElwain was a lottery winner. He took over a roster with 7 players drafted after his first year and at least 5 are projected to be drafted this year and as many as 9 could get signed...he inherited talent similar to what Fulmer did…
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I love you.
 
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Power T-Rev said:
I think the media has learned from their mistake. There will be no hype train this year, but maybe that's a good thing. Low expectations may help the team play loose. Really don't see us ranked any higher than #20 to start the season though
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The hype train should always be there. There are high expectations at UT, embrace the expectations instead of looking at them in a negative light. Just gotta get elite coaching back on the sidelines.
 
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sameolvol said:
:clapping:Negas. You're certainly posing as happy campers this time of year...uniformly decrying mediocrity for team 121...and it's all due to an over-hyped team 120. In my 66 years of processing oxygen, I've never known of such a devastating injury pandemic as the one that befell this group of young men. I'm hoping you'll all be eating crow this time next year, instead of congratulating one-another for being "realistic" and "logical;" while acting like superior monkeys as we normally optimistic fans keep allegedly "pumping sunshine." Due to this train-wreck of tragedies which led to an uninspiring 9 win season; one which coulda-woulda-shoulda at least concluded with an SEC east championship, you're feeling really proud of yourselves for your self-proclaimed prophetic prowess regarding a sport which many of you don't even seem to understand. I'll enjoy it when you monkeys stuff down that black-bird dessert. Of note: I'm curious as to how many of you wind up backtracking similar to D4H. This team with a notably upgraded coaching staff will exceed expectations...imho. AMIRIGHT?:yes:
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Imo yes you are right 🐴
 
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Sarms58 said:
Jones inherited a team that went 22-27 (0.449) over the previous 4 years and a roster that had only 3 players who would be drafted by the NFL. Jones went 30-21 (0.588) in his first 4 years - a 31% improvement...of course starting at the bottom makes it easier to show improvement but also makes it much more difficult to be elite...that takes time

For comparison, Majors inherited a team that went 28-17-2 (0.622) over the previous 4 years and a roster that had 10 players who would be drafted by the NFL. Funny, Johnny managed to do even worse than Battle: he went 21-23-1 (0.477)...that's a change in winning percentage of -23%!

But Johnny, with the help of good assistant coaches did build the talent level and the program. He had back to back SEC titles in 1989 and 1990...but he was asked to leave in 1992...

Fulmer inherited a team that went 38-9-2 (0.809) over the previous 4 years and as noted, won 2 SEC championships...the roster he inherited had 22 players who would be drafted by the NFL. Phil's record over his first 4 years was 39-9...basically he kept the Vols at the same level as Majors...the change in winning percentage was less than 1%...

What about Jones' contemporaries? Everyone loves Jim McElwain. The team he inherited went 28-21 (0.571) over the previous 4 seasons - about what Jones has done. But in terms of inherited talent, McElwain was a lottery winner. He took over a roster with 7 players drafted after his first year and at least 5 are projected to be drafted this year and as many as 9 could get signed...he inherited talent similar to what Fulmer did…
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Stop making sense, it doesn't fit the agenda.
 
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