Cedric Tillman has a bright future?

[DaUndergroundMan]

Just a theory... but I think Jones coached from "book knowledge". Always reading some book or going to some conference to be on the lead edge of some new idea. He talked a lot about "technique" but I wonder how much of that was just someone's "new idea". One thing I remember from early in his tenure that stuck with me was former players and maybe some of those really good OL's that were left to him complaining about being taught completely new "techniques".... techniques that never worked.

I don't think it helps that he really didn't seem to have an "inside out" understanding of football.

Before blaming Z or any of the other assistants... it might be helpful to note where everyone went from UT.

Z is coaching WR's in the NFL.

Hoke is a DL coach for the Panthers.

Larry Scott is the WR coach for UF.

Shoop is the DC at MSU.

Gillespie is RB coach at UNC.

Thigpen is the LB coach at UNC.

Canales is the OC at UTEP.

Warren is coaching for UF.

Wells is OL coach at USF.

Stripling is back at Cincy

Jancek is DC at Colorado State.

Mahoney is OL coach at ECU

Bajakian is the QB coach for the Bucs.



…...…. Lyle Allen Jones Jr is an intern or something like that at Bama.

My point is that all or at least the vast majority of Jones' assistants had no trouble getting jobs at or even above the level they were at UT. Jones.... not so much.

But what about Kevin Beard?

He's currently a quality control coach at Toledo. That's one Lyle-level position, one guy who didn't rise above, and confirms suspicions that we were indeed undercoached last year at the wr position

 

[TN_Transplant]

Just a theory... but I think Jones coached from "book knowledge". Always reading some book or going to some conference to be on the lead edge of some new idea. He talked a lot about "technique" but I wonder how much of that was just someone's "new idea". One thing I remember from early in his tenure that stuck with me was former players and maybe some of those really good OL's that were left to him complaining about being taught completely new "techniques".... techniques that never worked.

I don't think it helps that he really didn't seem to have an "inside out" understanding of football.

Before blaming Z or any of the other assistants... it might be helpful to note where everyone went from UT.

Z is coaching WR's in the NFL.

Hoke is a DL coach for the Panthers.

Larry Scott is the WR coach for UF.

Shoop is the DC at MSU.

Gillespie is RB coach at UNC.

Thigpen is the LB coach at UNC.

Canales is the OC at UTEP.

Warren is coaching for UF.

Wells is OL coach at USF.

Stripling is back at Cincy

Jancek is DC at Colorado State.

Mahoney is OL coach at ECU

Bajakian is the QB coach for the Bucs.



…...…. Lyle Allen Jones Jr is an intern or something like that at Bama.

My point is that all or at least the vast majority of Jones' assistants had no trouble getting jobs at or even above the level they were at UT. Jones.... not so much.

Ok, I'll give you that many went on to coach after Tennessee, but that doesn't make them success stories.

Larry Scott, for example, moved down to WR coach. He was OC at Tenn, where he was in over his head.

Hoke was a former head coach. Line coach is where he should probably be. At Tenn, he was too concerned at trying to be the next head coach.

Gillespie is the real deal. He was and is a good RB coach. But NC is not Tenn. Not even close.

Bajakian is a QB coach, not OC, even though it is in the Pros.

Canales is also on a downward spiral, former head coach.

Wells and Mahoney are about where they belong, ECU and USF. That's about the level of OL they can put together.

Of all of the ones you mentioned, none really moved up, with the exception of Hoke and Azzani. Warren was at best a lateral move.

 

[sjt18]

Ok, I'll give you that many went on to coach after Tennessee, but that doesn't make them success stories.

Larry Scott, for example, moved down to WR coach. He was OC at Tenn, where he was in over his head.

Hoke was a former head coach. Line coach is where he should probably be. At Tenn, he was too concerned at trying to be the next head coach.

Gillespie is the real deal. He was and is a good RB coach. But NC is not Tenn. Not even close.

Bajakian is a QB coach, not OC, even though it is in the Pros.

Canales is also on a downward spiral, former head coach.

Wells and Mahoney are about where they belong, ECU and USF. That's about the level of OL they can put together.

Of all of the ones you mentioned, none really moved up, with the exception of Hoke and Azzani. Warren was at best a lateral move.

Point is. They got jobs coaching football and it really didn't take them long to do it. The problems weren't the assistants. The problem was Jones and how he directed the staff and team.

 

[barrylee]

Palmer was never future WR1 dude can't catch a cold.

If you are suggesting Palmer should worry this year they will both play.

Can someone please explain how do I initiate the ignore option on our new site? I'm sure its staring me in the face but I don't see it..
Sorry for interupting the convo..

 

[TN_Transplant]

Point is. They got jobs coaching football and it really didn't take them long to do it. The problems weren't the assistants. The problem was Jones and how he directed the staff and team.

I can agree with that. Butch is not the type of head coach for the SEC, and not competent enough to control a staff with multiple former head coaches.

 

[jarnol32]

Just a theory... but I think Jones coached from "book knowledge". Always reading some book or going to some conference to be on the lead edge of some new idea. He talked a lot about "technique" but I wonder how much of that was just someone's "new idea". One thing I remember from early in his tenure that stuck with me was former players and maybe some of those really good OL's that were left to him complaining about being taught completely new "techniques".... techniques that never worked.

I don't think it helps that he really didn't seem to have an "inside out" understanding of football.

Before blaming Z or any of the other assistants... it might be helpful to note where everyone went from UT.

Z is coaching WR's in the NFL.

Hoke is a DL coach for the Panthers.

Larry Scott is the WR coach for UF.

Shoop is the DC at MSU.

Gillespie is RB coach at UNC.

Thigpen is the LB coach at UNC.

Canales is the OC at UTEP.

Warren is coaching for UF.

Wells is OL coach at USF.

Stripling is back at Cincy

Jancek is DC at Colorado State.

Mahoney is OL coach at ECU

Bajakian is the QB coach for the Bucs.



…...…. Lyle Allen Jones Jr is an intern or something like that at Bama.

My point is that all or at least the vast majority of Jones' assistants had no trouble getting jobs at or even above the level they were at UT. Jones.... not so much.

Jones would lose his buyout if he takes another job. Jones stands to make 8.2 million in the buyout, which will be mitigated by any salary he gets elsewhere. He will be a head coach again in a couple of years, but it will be at a big east or pac 12 school.

 

[sjt18]

Jones would lose his buyout if he takes another job. Jones stands to make 8.2 million in the buyout, which will be mitigated by any salary he gets elsewhere. He will be a head coach again in a couple of years, but it will be at a big east or pac 12 school.

Maybe Big East... since it doesn't exist any more.

Some of you guys keep acting like the Pac12 is barely above mid-major. They aren't. I'll be VERY surprised if Jones ever gets a P-5 gig again. Even the Iowa State's of the world want a guy who actually knows how to coach.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Can someone please explain how do I initiate the ignore option on our new site? I'm sure its staring me in the face but I don't see it..
Sorry for interupting the convo..

You can click on an individual name and click ignore. Lol so if you want to ignore me you just click my name and hit ignore.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

yep, sounds like he's doing pretty good so far, but Byrd will be the secret weapon...

GO VOLS!

Byrd has actually gotten better. Less drops. If he gets some consistency that translates over into games he is going to see a lot of PT.

 

[butchna]

Jones would lose his buyout if he takes another job. Jones stands to make 8.2 million in the buyout, which will be mitigated by any salary he gets elsewhere. He will be a head coach again in a couple of years, but it will be at a big east or pac 12 school.

He doesn’t “lose” anything by having another school pay all or part of the money due...it’s money! He doesn’t get anything additional or less.

 

[photovol]

yep, sounds like he's doing pretty good so far, but Byrd will be the secret weapon...

GO VOLS!

Sure hope your right on Byrd, the Vols have far too many bust's on 4 and 5 star recruits

It's certainly time that players step up and Excell on the field as well as team leaders
Derek Barnett was the closest to a team leader that the Vols have had in a very long time, unfortunately
Go Vols

 

[JohnnyJava]

Missouri the past few years has had a few receivers like Cedric who were 6-3 or so, were not highly recruited, but became really good receivers. Let's hope he follows that path.

 

[Type Orange+]

I hear USC found him but did not have room for him, so coach Helton called his brother Tyson and told him about C.T. Tyson Helton and other coaches looked at his film and saw a lot a raw ability. The other WR decommitted we had an opening. He has good size good speed and good hands, that is a good combo!!!

That is precisely how it happened.

Tillman said he learned of the offer Sunday during a phone conversation with Tennessee offensive coordinator Tyson Helton after Helton's brother, USC coach Clay Helton, had let him know about Tillman being available.

“He came down to the school to visit one of our players, and he wanted to talk to me,” Tillman said, referring to Clay Helton. “He said, ‘I like you,’ but all their spots are basically taken up, so that was kind of the situation there. He was just upset that nobody had picked me up, so he wanted to help me try to get into a good school.

“He told me that he was going to show me to the (Tennessee) coaches and told me he was going to do everything he could. But you’re like, ‘OK, you say that …’ But you know what? Actually, he did, and he helped me out a lot and his brother actually did hit me up.”

Tennessee signs Las Vegas wide receiver after late offer

 

[volmanNC]

Just a theory... but I think Jones coached from "book knowledge". Always reading some book or going to some conference to be on the lead edge of some new idea. He talked a lot about "technique" but I wonder how much of that was just someone's "new idea". One thing I remember from early in his tenure that stuck with me was former players and maybe some of those really good OL's that were left to him complaining about being taught completely new "techniques".... techniques that never worked.

I don't think it helps that he really didn't seem to have an "inside out" understanding of football.

Before blaming Z or any of the other assistants... it might be helpful to note where everyone went from UT.

Z is coaching WR's in the NFL.

Hoke is a DL coach for the Panthers.

Larry Scott is the WR coach for UF.

Shoop is the DC at MSU.

Gillespie is RB coach at UNC.

Thigpen is the LB coach at UNC.

Canales is the OC at UTEP.

Warren is coaching for UF.

Wells is OL coach at USF.

Stripling is back at Cincy

Jancek is DC at Colorado State.

Mahoney is OL coach at ECU

Bajakian is the QB coach for the Bucs.



…...…. Lyle Allen Jones Jr is an intern or something like that at Bama.

My point is that all or at least the vast majority of Jones' assistants had no trouble getting jobs at or even above the level they were at UT. Jones.... not so much.

I guess this means it was mostly Butch not letting these coaches do their job??

 

[sjt18]

I guess this means it was mostly Butch not letting these coaches do their job??

Yes and no.

During the Civil War, Lincoln hired and fired a series of Generals. He finally chose Grant who immediately changed strategy. Within a few months, the war was over. It didn't happen because he replaced all of the subordinate commanders or necessarily changed the way they ran their units.

If Butch Jones told the S&C guy that I want to sacrifice bulk for speed then that's what the S&C tried to do. If he told the OL coach that he wanted a certain blocking technique taught then that's what was taught. If he told his assistants that the O would fit together a certain way then it was their job to make their part fit.