Cease Fire

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Let me start by saying that I have at times, including this season, been very critical of Dooley and his supporters. I have used terms such as Dool-Aid and have stated all of my reasons for wanting him gone. With this in mind, I would like to say that I have had a change of heart and believe that nothing can be gained by all of the negative bickering back and forth. I also believe that the path we are currently on may in-fact leaf us back to prominence. I have reached these conclusions by taking the emotion out of the argument and this has provided me the clarity needed to come to this understanding.

If you take away the frustration of each lose and every setback, you will see that everything is not on Dooley and all is not lost.

Lets look at the factors at play this season.
1) Dooley loses his OL coach to Notre Dame.
2) Dooley loses his DC coach to Washington.
3) Dooley loses starting CB Izaeua Lanier prior to the season.
4) Dooley loses starting WR Rogers weeks before the season.
5) Dooley loses starting S Randolph during the Florida game.

Now, when you lose as many coaches as we have and struggle to find suitable replacements because of the uncertainty of Dooley job; it is difficult to gain the advantage of stability.

So what has he done in the face of these factors? He brought in a solid OL coach that has guided our offense to rushing for over 160 yards a game. This is even more impressive when you consider that we lack a true SEC caliber starting running back.

He has brought in an entirely new defense staff, which is in the first year of putting in a completely new system. During this implementation, Sunseri has lost two starting defensive back starters. This fact is critical to remember when you see wide opening receivers catch TD’s like in the Bama game. I am pretty sure that it is not by design that we leave receivers wide open. I understand that giving up 33 points a game is not acceptable but I believe as the season continues, we will lower that average. Remember, Fulmer was let go in a year that his defense gave up an average of 16 points a game in route to a 5-7 record. Also remember, it was only a few years earlier in Fulmer’s career that the Vols reached the SEC championship and finished with 10 wins in spite of giving up over 27 points a game.

This would lead me to believe that the frustration is much more about the 3-4 record than how we got there. If this is the case then let’s look at our record. Losses to the #1 and #2 teams in the nation. In the loss to Florida, we were leading half-way through the third quarter. In the lose to Bama, we had multiple chances to get back into the game and keep it close late. I would also say that other than a few missed assignments on the back-end, out defense actually performed well until late in the game.

As for the other two losses, both were against top 15 teams on the road. In both cases, the Vols showed fight and actually had a chance to win both games late.
So what does that mean for the remainder of the season? Simply this, the Vols will continue to fight and I believe will finish no worse than a 7-5 record. This will be good enough to get us in a respectable bowl game.

I would remind those of you that kneel at the feet of King Saban, his beginning looks a lot like Dooley’s. Remember, Saban had one successful head coaching season at Toledo (9-2) before his first major head coaching stint at Michigan State. During his first three years at MSU, Saban finished 6-5-1, 6-6, and 7-6. That gave him a combined record of 19-17-1, and also saw him go 2-9 against ranked teams. If my prediction of 7-5 comes to fruition, Dooley will end the season with an 18-19 record. I would also argue that the quality of the Big 10 back then pales in comparison to the quality of the SEC now. Also, Saban did not have to replacing his staff every season like Dooley has had to do. I also cannot imagine Saban was as snake-bit as Dooley has been with player injuries, suspensions, and dismissals.

When one truly understands how even the most revered coaching careers had modest beginnings, it gives hope to a brighter Vol future. Think of it this way, Derek Dooley is trying to rebuild this historical program through the most dominating period of SEC football ever. If Tennessee was in the ACC or Big 12, I have no doubt that we would be ranked with much more success than we have seen at this point.

Now for those who are still wanting to jump off the bridge, I would say this. The only way to catch teams like Alabama and the rest, is to strengthen the team through talent and depth. This only occurs through continued recruiting gains. Those gains can only occur through coaching stability. If we continue to call for Dooley’s head each week, we create a more venomous situation thus giving credence to the powers that be that a change is needed.
This is why I am calling for a cease-fire for the remainder of the regular season. No more Anti-Dooley threads. If you truly care for this program, you support this program. Dooley is part of the program. Now, if my prediction does not come to fruition and the Vols finish 6-6 or worse, I will lead the charge for his firing. I do not believe this will be the case but never the less, I will support the Negavols if this occurs.
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Only possible conclusion to draw is that you are a Bama fan who wants a guaranteed 31 pt victory over UT every year.
 
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Look, if the story is true that Dooley asked for a buyout after KY, the Dool-Aid has been spilled and not even Mama Barb can clean it up. We kept Dooley (who didn't want to be here) and replaced the staff anyway. That's smh dumb.

Could have brought in anyone and his staff and done better with this team this year. ANYONE!
 
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Look, if the story is true that Dooley asked for a buyout after KY, the Dool-Aid has been spilled and not even Mama Barb can clean it up. We kept Dooley (who didn't want to be here) and replaced the staff anyway. That's smh dumb.

Could have brought in anyone and his staff and done better with this team this year. ANYONE!

wait, when did this happen?
 
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Your points may be valid, but fans are tired of the excuses. A coach who has shown NO improvement with HIS team each year in these days and times is on a short lease. Former times (80's & 90's) he would be given 4 to 5 years. Unfortunately the society we live in wants results (2-3 yrs) not a 12 paragraph dissertation full of excuses.
 
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Dooleys gone, justifying his ineptitude is now an exercise in futility. What we have been saying for a week is finally being said by those that have been around longer than some. The deed is done, timing is the only thing in question.
 
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Yes I'm a first time poster. Wouldn't be posting today either but I cannot believe how unrealistic some ppl can get.

Losses (combined) by the four teams we have lost to:1

Did we really think we'd beat the BCS #1, 2, 6, 10, or 11 in the third year of a rebuild?

How many years did Spurrier need at USCe?

2011 Rushing 90 ypg 2012 168 ypg - 53% increase

The VOLS are not going to jump off the mat and beat the world. The man has not had enough time. I think with all of the above if the fans were calling for my head I'd think buyout money too.

Oh and those that think Gruden would drop his gig & come here - put down the pipe & step away.
 
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Love the insight and thoughtful analysis. I'll stand on this debate by saying this:

Consider that through all the changes and setbacks, this coach has reached his peak at Tennessee. He's done well in many areas, none more important than re-establishing integrity back to the program. I'm a believer that he was brought in to do so, and lay down the foundation for the next guy to take it one step further. He's "phase 1". You're next hire will be better off due to Dooley's efforts.

Its time for "phase 2". Now, who might that be? Hart only knows.
 
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Yes I'm a first time poster. Wouldn't be posting today either but I cannot believe how unrealistic some ppl can get.

Losses (combined) by the four teams we have lost to:1

Did we really think we'd beat the BCS #1, 2, 6, 10, or 11 in the third year of a rebuild?

How many years did Spurrier need at USCe?

2011 Rushing 90 ypg 2012 168 ypg - 53% increase

The VOLS are not going to jump off the mat and beat the world. The man has not had enough time. I think with all of the above if the fans were calling for my head I'd think buyout money too.

Oh and those that think Gruden would drop his gig & come here - put down the pipe & step away.

Looks like you have read along for three years without posting. I think you know what's bout to come your way.....good luck.
 
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Yes I'm a first time poster. Wouldn't be posting today either but I cannot believe how unrealistic some ppl can get.

Losses (combined) by the four teams we have lost to:1

Did we really think we'd beat the BCS #1, 2, 6, 10, or 11 in the third year of a rebuild?

How many years did Spurrier need at USCe?

2011 Rushing 90 ypg 2012 168 ypg - 53% increase

The VOLS are not going to jump off the mat and beat the world. The man has not had enough time. I think with all of the above if the fans were calling for my head I'd think buyout money too.

Oh and those that think Gruden would drop his gig & come here - put down the pipe & step away.



Not a good effort on your first try. Dooley is done and everyone seems to get it but you.
 
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I said it last week and I'll say it again...let's let the season play out. I never expected us to beat Alabama so I'm not changing my mind just because I'm upset that Tennessee lost. Sure, I watched the game with hopes that Tennessee would win, but I never expected them to.

Moving on, I believe we have a legitimate chance against South Carolina. Still won't win I don't think but who knows.

Play the season out.

GO VOLS!!!
 
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Dont know why so many people like comparing Dooley to some of the best coaches out there. What has Dooley shown that even makes him comparable to them? Nothing. He isnt a QB expert like Spurrier nor a defensive mastermind like Saban. Dooley isnt an offensive or defensive mastermind and hasnt been an OC or DC. He has no special quality as a head coach that he has shown in 3 years to show that he will lead us back to SEC championships which is where we want to be.
 
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He cleaned up a mess for the next guy. Everything you said is true 10NCV, but he's not completely wasted away his time in Knoxville. He just has not won, and that's all that you see. He's not going to. He's not a winner. He's a "fixer", and he's done all that you could reasonably expect from him.
 
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Let me start by saying that I have at times, including this season, been very critical of Dooley and his supporters. I have used terms such as Dool-Aid and have stated all of my reasons for wanting him gone. With this in mind, I would like to say that I have had a change of heart and believe that nothing can be gained by all of the negative bickering back and forth. I also believe that the path we are currently on may in-fact leaf us back to prominence. I have reached these conclusions by taking the emotion out of the argument and this has provided me the clarity needed to come to this understanding.

If you take away the frustration of each lose and every setback, you will see that everything is not on Dooley and all is not lost.

Lets look at the factors at play this season.
1) Dooley loses his OL coach to Notre Dame.
2) Dooley loses his DC coach to Washington.
3) Dooley loses starting CB Izaeua Lanier prior to the season.
4) Dooley loses starting WR Rogers weeks before the season.
5) Dooley loses starting S Randolph during the Florida game.

Now, when you lose as many coaches as we have and struggle to find suitable replacements because of the uncertainty of Dooley job; it is difficult to gain the advantage of stability.

So what has he done in the face of these factors? He brought in a solid OL coach that has guided our offense to rushing for over 160 yards a game. This is even more impressive when you consider that we lack a true SEC caliber starting running back.

He has brought in an entirely new defense staff, which is in the first year of putting in a completely new system. During this implementation, Sunseri has lost two starting defensive back starters. This fact is critical to remember when you see wide opening receivers catch TD’s like in the Bama game. I am pretty sure that it is not by design that we leave receivers wide open. I understand that giving up 33 points a game is not acceptable but I believe as the season continues, we will lower that average. Remember, Fulmer was let go in a year that his defense gave up an average of 16 points a game in route to a 5-7 record. Also remember, it was only a few years earlier in Fulmer’s career that the Vols reached the SEC championship and finished with 10 wins in spite of giving up over 27 points a game.

This would lead me to believe that the frustration is much more about the 3-4 record than how we got there. If this is the case then let’s look at our record. Losses to the #1 and #2 teams in the nation. In the loss to Florida, we were leading half-way through the third quarter. In the lose to Bama, we had multiple chances to get back into the game and keep it close late. I would also say that other than a few missed assignments on the back-end, out defense actually performed well until late in the game.

As for the other two losses, both were against top 15 teams on the road. In both cases, the Vols showed fight and actually had a chance to win both games late.
So what does that mean for the remainder of the season? Simply this, the Vols will continue to fight and I believe will finish no worse than a 7-5 record. This will be good enough to get us in a respectable bowl game.

I would remind those of you that kneel at the feet of King Saban, his beginning looks a lot like Dooley’s. Remember, Saban had one successful head coaching season at Toledo (9-2) before his first major head coaching stint at Michigan State. During his first three years at MSU, Saban finished 6-5-1, 6-6, and 7-6. That gave him a combined record of 19-17-1, and also saw him go 2-9 against ranked teams. If my prediction of 7-5 comes to fruition, Dooley will end the season with an 18-19 record. I would also argue that the quality of the Big 10 back then pales in comparison to the quality of the SEC now. Also, Saban did not have to replacing his staff every season like Dooley has had to do. I also cannot imagine Saban was as snake-bit as Dooley has been with player injuries, suspensions, and dismissals.

When one truly understands how even the most revered coaching careers had modest beginnings, it gives hope to a brighter Vol future. Think of it this way, Derek Dooley is trying to rebuild this historical program through the most dominating period of SEC football ever. If Tennessee was in the ACC or Big 12, I have no doubt that we would be ranked with much more success than we have seen at this point.

Now for those who are still wanting to jump off the bridge, I would say this. The only way to catch teams like Alabama and the rest, is to strengthen the team through talent and depth. This only occurs through continued recruiting gains. Those gains can only occur through coaching stability. If we continue to call for Dooley’s head each week, we create a more venomous situation thus giving credence to the powers that be that a change is needed.
This is why I am calling for a cease-fire for the remainder of the regular season. No more Anti-Dooley threads. If you truly care for this program, you support this program. Dooley is part of the program. Now, if my prediction does not come to fruition and the Vols finish 6-6 or worse, I will lead the charge for his firing. I do not believe this will be the case but never the less, I will support the Negavols if this occurs.
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Good Job and Thank You!! Let me add one more item to your list...If we continue to demand Dooley's head, who else are we going to get? There are certainly "hired guns" out there....think Petrino....but we don't want a "hired gun". We want true stability and sustained success. That doesn't come overnight and it doesn't come in one or two seasons. I have written this fact many times, Johnny Majors took eight (8) years to get Tennessee back to an SEC Championship in a much easier SEC schedule. Dooley is only on year number 3 and really on year number 2 if you factor in that his first recruiting class was not really his choosing. Steve Spurrier is on what year 6 at South Carolina? He is just now beginning to show real results and his biggest problem is that his lack of depth continues to hurt him. There is no fast and easy solution. True sustained success takes time. I agree with you 100%, we have to give Coach Dooley time.
 
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He cleaned up a mess for the next guy. Everything you said is true 10NCV, but he's not completely wasted away his time in Knoxville. He just has not won, and that's all that you see. He's not going to. He's not a winner. He's a "fixer", and he's done all that you could reasonably expect from him.

Oh dont get me wrong. I think Dooley has been a great stabilizer. What Hammy said was right, after what Kiffin did the fan base needed somebody they could identify with and get its feet back under it. I appreciate what he has done despite his W/L. Just think it is time to move on. Hand him 5 mil at the end of the season and go get a winner.
 
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