CDD and returning players

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With three different coaches in the last three years do you think CDD will have trouble getting returning players to buy into his philosophy? Will we loose some players like the previous staff did?
 
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Especially since they are almost out of eligibility. If they want a chance in the NFL they better get on board and play well....or get Brandon Warren'd.
 
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I think CDD will run a tight ship and from what I have read and heard he is very involved in team disipline. That being said I also think he will have some needed patience with these young men because of what they have already been through and with the scholarship limitions that the previous staff has left him with.
 
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I am sure he will to a point.
At the same time they will prolly need to start getting over it yesterday.
Its not like the previous 2 coaches died.
 
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I think we may want to roof Neyland and play BB there for a few years. I'm afraid 2010 will be uuuugly. I keep feeling like CDD is the reincarnation of Bill Battle with a much worse starting team. I hope I'm badly wrong in both cases.
 
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you know i keep hearing all this negativity about cdd and i just dont get it. What would you had rather we do sign a coach who had been with a big program before and failed or take a guy who knows about winning and finally has some higher caliber talent to coach for once and not just whine about not cutting it with latech from wac, even though he hung in there great against better teams , that only shows he can coach up lesser talent
 
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terryfairplay said:
you know i keep hearing all this negativity about cdd and i just dont get it. What would you had rather we do sign a coach who had been with a big program before and failed or take a guy who knows about winning and finally has some higher caliber talent to coach for once and not just whine about not cutting it with latech from wac, even though he hung in there great against better teams , that only shows he can coach up lesser talent
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How does he know about winning? He only had one winning season at La Tech. And I know Kiffin had a poor record with the Raiders, but he proved himself as th OC for USC. I want Dooley to win and to be a great coach here for a long time, but it's much more difficult to get excited for him. He just doesn't come across like a football guy that understands the X's and O's.
 
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davethevol said:
How does he know about winning? He only had one winning season at La Tech. And I know Kiffin had a poor record with the Raiders, but he proved himself as th OC for USC. I want Dooley to win and to be a great coach here for a long time, but it's much more difficult to get excited for him. He just doesn't come across like a football guy that understands the X's and O's.
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If you are going to give the predecessor credit for USC, then you have to give CDD credit for LSU. How do you know about the X's and O's-aside from staring into your crystal ball?
 
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davethevol said:
How does he know about winning? He only had one winning season at La Tech. And I know Kiffin had a poor record with the Raiders, but he proved himself as th OC for USC. I want Dooley to win and to be a great coach here for a long time, but it's much more difficult to get excited for him. He just doesn't come across like a football guy that understands the X's and O's.
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By the way, the predecessor's first winning record? Last season with that stellar 7-6 here that you and everybody else seem to think qualifies him for sainthood.
 
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"Dooley is unproven" and "Kiffin is unproven" are not mutually exclusive statements guys.

Neither guy has proven they can do anything in the SEC. I liked alot of the things CLK seemed to be doing. I thought he and the staff had talent. They were recruiting well... but we will never know what the end result might have been. His lack of loyalty and character assured that.

Dooley isn't really letting us in much on what he's doing with the team. The first test on recruiting was passed but the jury is still out on what he'll do completely on his own as a HC. I don't particularly like the player defections but do like what the remaining players are saying.

Bottom line... we'll see.
 
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sjt18 said:
"Dooley is unproven" and "Kiffin is unproven" are not mutually exclusive statements guys.

Neither guy has proven they can do anything in the SEC. I liked alot of the things CLK seemed to be doing. I thought he and the staff had talent. They were recruiting well... but we will never know what the end result might have been. His lack of loyalty and character assured that.

Dooley isn't really letting us in much on what he's doing with the team. The first test on recruiting was passed but the jury is still out on what he'll do completely on his own as a HC. I don't particularly like the player defections but do like what the remaining players are saying.

Bottom line... we'll see.
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You, sir, are a rare voice of reason in the football forum.
 
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sjt18 said:
"Dooley is unproven" and "Kiffin is unproven" are not mutually exclusive statements guys.

Neither guy has proven they can do anything in the SEC. I liked alot of the things CLK seemed to be doing. I thought he and the staff had talent. They were recruiting well... but we will never know what the end result might have been. His lack of loyalty and character assured that.

Dooley isn't really letting us in much on what he's doing with the team. The first test on recruiting was passed but the jury is still out on what he'll do completely on his own as a HC. I don't particularly like the player defections but do like what the remaining players are saying.

Bottom line... we'll see.
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My approach as well. I will point out that there were way more defections last year than this year.
 
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EZE said:
My approach as well. I will point out that there were way more defections last year than this year.
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I think CLK is a dirtbag for what he did to UT.

That said, he had alot more dead weight to cull. Only a few of the players he lost would have been contributors. Creer was a good talent. EJAW had great potential but was probably headed for significant off the field issues. Preston Bailey's situation seems somewhat like Douglas' situation in that he just lost his heart for it.

I am more concerned that DD is losing guys who would have contributed in significant ways even though there's only been 4 so far.
 
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sjt18 said:
I think CLK is a dirtbag for what he did to UT.

That said, he had alot more dead weight to cull. Only a few of the players he lost would have been contributors. Creer was a good talent. EJAW had great potential but was probably headed for significant off the field issues. Preston Bailey's situation seems somewhat like Douglas' situation in that he just lost his heart for it.

I am more concerned that DD is losing guys who would have contributed in significant ways even though there's only been 4 so far.
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He cannot let the inmates run the asylum. If they won't get on board, they have to go. it is not his fault. nor was it the predecessor's fault when players left.
 
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I'm not laying blame at all and especially not with Douglas. Two of the guys were upper classmen who were never going to see the field.

Brown is alot more of a mystery. He doesn't seem to have a bad attitude or anything. He definitely has the talent to contribute. Dooley has to do it "his way"... but I have to be thinking that I would have spoken with BB periodically. DD said he hadn't spoken to him since BB told him he wouldn't be participating in Spring Practice.

Spring Practice is something else that makes no sense regarding BB. Unless there's something keeping him from practicing then why isn't he? I guess he could be avoiding injury...

His whole deal though doesn't make alot of sense.
 
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The players know that Dooley is a 4-8 coach last year. If he wants to get the most out of the players he needs to show he is a better coach than his record.
 
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livefaith said:
I think we may want to roof Neyland and play BB there for a few years. I'm afraid 2010 will be uuuugly. I keep feeling like CDD is the reincarnation of Bill Battle with a much worse starting team. I hope I'm badly wrong in both cases.
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I hope you are worng, too.

However, I don't understand the Bill Battle comparison. Dooley may fail, but he is infinitely more qualified than Battle was. Battle did not have head coaching experience, did not have experience as an athletic director, did not have the NFL time, nor have the mentoriing experience that CDD has.

I've seen many coaches seemingly have all the "tools" and still fail. So, I'm certainly not going to guess whether CDD will make it or not. But, he's no Bill Battle...a great businessman, but a very poor coach.
 
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Bill Battle was 40 years ago. The only things Derek Dooley and Bill Battle have in common is that they both worked for guys who are associated with Alabama.
 
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