CBS recognizing that Tennessee is finishing strong on recruiting

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this staff is recruiting a different type of player. CBJ gets laudedd and credited with being a good recruiter, and he was/is. but if you really look at it, and compare it to what this staff is attempting to do...

it's just different....this team is going to "look" like an SEC football team again. not a puffed up mac/big east team.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
QD I don't get. JG was the #1 duel threat QB coming out of HS. Butch's offense was as disaster. The longer he ran it the easier it was to stop. We needed Peanut or Tony Robinson running his offense. Shuler could have pulled it off too. Banks was fun to watch.
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JG kind of goes back to my point though.

Yeah...he was rated #1 which helps the rankings but he looked completely uncomfortable in the offense and I don't think anyone would ever confuse him with Dobbs on running ability.

Banks was always interesting to me. Wished he could have panned out. Shame Jennings appears to be following his same path.

May be blasphemy but Shuler was always my favorite QB to watch. Don't think any QB since him has had the combination of running and passing ability.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
JG kind of goes back to my point though.

Yeah...he was rated #1 which helps the rankings but he looked completely uncomfortable in the offense and I don't think anyone would ever confuse him with Dobbs on running ability.

Banks was always interesting to me. Wished he could have panned out. Shame Jennings appears to be following his same path.

May be blasphemy but Shuler was always my favorite QB to watch. Don't think any QB since him has had the combination of running and passing ability.
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dobbs was probably as close as we've had. Shuler was great. Dobbs a better athlete, shuler better passer.
 
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jakez4ut said:
dobbs was probably as close as we've had. Shuler was great. Dobbs a better athlete, shuler better passer.
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Would respectfully disagree about Dobbs being a better athlete than Shuler....

Shuler was just better all the way around....athletically and in passing strength and accuracy....

I would have loved to see a senior season from Shuler....
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Would respectfully disagree about Dobbs being a better athlete than Shuler....

Shuler was just better all the way around....athletically and in passing strength and accuracy....

I would have loved to see a senior season from Shuler....
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Nobody could scramble like Dobbs, not even Shuler.
 
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I am definitely looking forward to how we close this class out. If we get lucky and hit on guys like Griffin, Smith and Walker then CJP and his staff will be sending a clear signal that we will be feared on the recruiting trail. Those 3 types of players are program changers.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Would respectfully disagree about Dobbs being a better athlete than Shuler....

Shuler was just better all the way around....athletically and in passing strength and accuracy....

I would have loved to see a senior season from Shuler....
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eh, times being what they are, and evolution of the position, especially from the dual threat part of it, it's not really close who was better athletically.

shuler was great....25 years ago....athletically.

but no way he makes the plays dobbs did with his legs, especially with the physicality.

Hollaway was better athletically than Shuler.

none of that means Shuler sucked. heck, i loved the guy.

and yeah, wish he'd of stuck around for his sr year too. that 94 season may have been a lot different.
 
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jakez4ut said:
eh, times being what they are, and evolution of the position, especially from the dual threat part of it, it's not really close who was better athletically.

shuler was great....25 years ago....athletically.

but no way he makes the plays dobbs did with his legs, especially with the physicality.

Hollaway was better athletically than Shuler.

none of that means Shuler sucked. heck, i loved the guy.

and yeah, wish he'd of stuck around for his sr year too. that 94 season may have been a lot different.
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Holloway was better than DOBBS, too....and if you want to expand the conversation--neither of them could hold a candle to Tony Robinson!

While it is true that the game has changed over the past 25 years....Shuler would've thrived in CBJ's offensive scheme and, I certainly believe, put up better numbers passing than Dobbs. In fact, CBJ's offensive system was tailor-made for Heath Shuler--who looked more like Deshaun Watson back in the day than Josh Dobbs. (Please remember that a whole lot of folks thought that Shuler was good enough to finish 2nd in the pre-Peyton Heisman).

I don't believe that Dobbs would have thrived in the offensive system Shuler ran because Dobbs never demonstrated the ability to read defenses or throw the ball with great accuracy.

Dobbs' was one of the worst QBs we've ever had throwing the deep ball. And, just because Dobbs was faster and had more DESIGNED QB RUNS doesn't make him more athletic--IMO.

And before everyone goes off on me--I love Dobbs. He was more durable than Shuler and much harder to tackle. But honestly examine his performances against stiffer competition and you see just how bad he could be.

It is true that he thrived by making plays with his legs, but his inability to stay in the pocket and find the open receiver HURT us way more than it helped us.

Not arguing, just giving my reasons for believing Shuler was better.

However, the best athlete we've ever had playing QB would have to be between Holloway and Robinson--IMO.

GO VOLS!
 
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OH-Vol said:
The problem wasn't the players he recruited, it was the fact they didn't improve at all from the moments they stepped foot on campus. Player development issues, recruiting was fine.
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Besides player development, too many people were quitting or getting kicked off the team too. He lost about 2 years worth of recruits over his 5 years.
 
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checkerboards09 said:
I just don’t see Florida being great under Mullen.
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Florida does not have to be great they only have to be good or really good to cause us problems. Historically, no matter who the coach was, Florida has lived up to that. Because of the sheer amount of talent in Florida.

Florida, California, texas and Atlanta supply more college athletes than the rest of the country combined. I guarantee you look up any college that wins in D1 and 9/10 they have contributors from those places.. period. try me my google skills are legit and I already checked.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Would respectfully disagree about Dobbs being a better athlete than Shuler....

Shuler was just better all the way around....athletically and in passing strength and accuracy....

I would have loved to see a senior season from Shuler....
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Dobbs is one of the most athletic QBs the SEC has ever seen. When it comes to athletic ability, Shuler isnt anywhere in Dobbs universe.
 
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jakez4ut said:
this staff is recruiting a different type of player. CBJ gets laudedd and credited with being a good recruiter, and he was/is. but if you really look at it, and compare it to what this staff is attempting to do...

it's just different....this team is going to "look" like an SEC football team again. not a puffed up mac/big east team.
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Right... the two QB commits: Penix and McKenzie (who had committed to Jones), for instance were directed away from UT to other schools because they do not fit Pruitt and Helton's offensive scheme; therefore, they opted to go after Shrout and the PWO. We notice that other commits were directed away, as well. Pruitt has a plan and he and his staff are recruiting players that fit the schemes they plan to run on offense and defense.... not just to get guys with ****'s by their names... like they did with Jordan Young. This is smart recruiting.

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jctenn1 said:
We gonna be aight...Aight...

Very impressed with CJP and staff..Such a breath of fresh air to see the VOLS returning to where we belong..
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We never learn. The cart does not go before the horse. We have not returned to squat. The same thing was said of CLK, CDD, then CBJ, and now CJP. So far none of them have taken us there.

I don't give CJP props for getting us in the top 20 recruiting. That is bottom tier of the SEC.
I won't give him props for juggling two jobs. His championship earned at Bama doesn't help Tennessee at all and I care nothing about his ring that says BAMA on it.
It's not a good job for talking a good game. CLK said we would party all night after beating Florida. CDD said you won't have Tennessee to kick around anymore. CBJ said tried to shove PMA down our throats.
He doesn't get a pass to change the culture. Blah blah blah. Wins matter.
He shouldn't be praised for taking us to the music city bowl. The only game that matters is played in Atlanta.
He has not taken us anywhere near where we used to be. You people can crown another UT savior before he wins a single game of you want to. You might as well. Kids believe in santa, religious grown children believe in miraculous fairy tales that they ridicule other religions for believing, why can't vol fans be just as full of hope and blind faith in a man who has yet to accomplish a single meaningful thing. Crown the man if you want to but Tennessee is not back to where they used to be until they at least get to Atlanta. Right now Tennessee has a losing streak against EVERY team in the SEC.
 
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fossilfiction said:
We never learn. The cart does not go before the horse. Right now Tennessee has a losing streak against EVERY team in the SEC.
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And there is a good chance everyone of those streaks will be extended in 2018.

We lost 8 games for the first time ever in 2017. What if we lose 9 in 2018? It is possible - new coaches - players with experience transferring or leaving.
 
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volfan102455 said:
And there is a good chance everyone of those streaks will be extended in 2018.

We lost 8 games for the first time ever in 2017. What if we lose 9 in 2018? It is possible - new coaches - players with experience transferring or leaving.
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You are probably 100% right.
 
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