CBJ to Vol Fans

[Volumnus 2011]

Yes, but they didn't. They didn't against Vandy last year.

They blew a 9 point lead against ANOTHER back up qb.

Florida doesn't use excuses. They put on someone else and fight. Most teams just roll with who they got.

But not UT.

My problem is the what ifs that everyone is living on.

UT did lose. UT did choke. UT did fold under pressure. These are the facts.

Yeah, except one problem. Florida went 4-8 last year and blamed it on injuries. Florida couldn't beat Georgia Southern by just throwing someone else in to fight. Your logic isn't as sound as you think it is, and neither is your reasoning for negativity.

 

[CHeightsvol]

Be patient. The longer you guys stay quiet, the more checks I can cash before everyone realizes I am not a good coach.

Hey check out my recruiting.

Nevermind Vanderbilt and Florida embarrassments, just get my offense properly described in the media.

Brick by brick

Slogan by Sloan

Loss by loss.

The new Tennessee way.

c'mon, man!

 

[Wylo]

@Droc:

The results are showing that he isn't a goods gameday coach.

He is here for a check. He didn't wake up and love Tennessee. He is a zero or two away from being at Colorado or possibly Utah.

The recruiting is the only thing that's great right now. But the shine is coming off the car he's selling.

His slogans aren't working. They are just words. It's what you do that matters, not what you say.

Again, the results on the field are not up for debate. They are losses.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

ok I played WR and CB. as you stated we know blitz is coming every play. where are the screens, pitches, quick slants, misdirection. there are ways to stop blitzes. overload non blitzing side and roll out. we just put him in the pocket and then blame the line. as a former player I can't believe you don't see that or have a problem with it. to me that is directly on coaching. that is what he gets paid for. also u practice and watch film to help prevent this. could change the play at the line, I'm really confused that the play calling on offense is this bad

As a former player, you should be able to recognize that screens didn't work against Florida. You should also have been able to realize that Florida's db's were playing tight and our receivers couldn't get separation. Go back and watch again.

 

[KBVol]

Was that all of the post-game conf?

Didn't see, but I assume the other 30 minutes was all platitudes, slogans and cliches.

 

[Wylo]

Yeah, except one problem. Florida went 4-8 last year and blamed it on injuries. Florida couldn't beat Georgia Southern by just throwing someone else in to fight. Your logic isn't as sound as you think it is, and neither is your reasoning for negativity.

I don't recall Florida coming out and using excuses. Maybe they did. They certainly didn't against UT the last two years. They brought on another player and WON.

 

[DNBVOL]

Another "you fans complaining is hurting recruiting and the program" response.

Does it help when all the sheep come together and scream "all is well"

Edit: well played on the Richard toss back. That's the spirit.

Never said all is well. We have major problems on O line and QB position. And it showed saturday. Playcalling is suspect at times. Atleast give them a little time to get there personnel in there to run the schemes before we go calling for heads. But you can't deny the vast improvement on Defense and the overall improvement and confidence on the team. Not to mention the recruiting this staff is doing. But if you want to keep crying about it like a little girl go ahead.

 

[Wylo]

Didn't see, but I assume the other 30 minutes was all platitudes, slogans and cliches.

This

 

[Wylo]

Never said all is well. We have major problems on O line and QB position. And it showed saturday. Playcalling is suspect at times. Atleast give them a little time to get there personnel in there to run the schemes before we go calling for heads. But you can't deny the vast improvement on Defense and the overall improvement and confidence on the team. Not to mention the recruiting this staff is doing. But if you want to keep crying about it like a little girl go ahead.

Who is calling for heads? Losses are mounting. That is fact. Not fairytale like you guys deal in. Crying like a girl or living in a dream land, which is worse?

I'd rather be on my side and see things as they are.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

I don't recall Florida coming out and using excuses. Maybe they did. They certainly didn't against UT the last two years. They brought on another player and WON.

Wait, I thought you were complimentary of the defense? I thought you were blaming the offense on the loss?

You are mad because we lost to a backup quarterback?

You say CBJ choked?

You are happy with the defense?

Those three things don't go together. The offense had a 9 point lead in the 4th quarter. The defense gave up 10 points to a backup quarterback. Sure, the offense could have scored more, but you can't damn the offense while simultaneously saying we lost because we couldn't stop a backup quarterback. Again, your logic isn't as sound as you think it is.

PS, I'm using facts, not rainbows and daisies, or whatever it is you said before.

 

[MedicT]

Who is calling for heads? Losses are mounting. That is fact. Not fairytale like you guys deal in. Crying like a girl or living in a dream land, which is worse?

I'd rather be on my side and see things as they are.

Fortunately, our opinions make little difference. Maybe you will be proven correct and we continue to lose or maybe I'll be proven correct and we come out winners. I suppose you win either way. Goody for you.

 

[Wylo]

CBJ is the ceo. It is at his feet. Offense. Defense. Special teams.

The lack of offense is on him. The letdown of the defense is on him. The defense was potentially wore out from the best staff in America's pathetic attempts to give the game away on offense, which they did.

My logic and reasoning are sound.

 

[BonesVol]

Yall are right. Let's get a new coach and a whole new system. That would definitely right the ship and not set us back anymore.

Some folks use zero common sense.

 

[Wylo]

Fortunately, our opinions make little difference. Maybe you will be proven correct and we continue to lose or maybe I'll be proven correct and we come out winners. I suppose you win either way. Goody for you.

Given that we are all fans of UT, there isn't much chance of any winning.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

@Droc:

The results are showing that he isn't a goods gameday coach.

He is here for a check. He didn't wake up and love Tennessee. He is a zero or two away from being at Colorado or possibly Utah.

The recruiting is the only thing that's great right now. But the shine is coming off the car he's selling.

His slogans aren't working. They are just words. It's what you do that matters, not what you say.

Again, the results on the field are not up for debate. They are losses.

His slogans aren't for your benefit. They are for the benefit of the team. The team is still believing and still fighting. His slogans are obviously working where they need to work. CBJ doesn't give a flying goose fart what you think about his slogans.

Again, your logic isn't as sound as you think it is.


Also, for a guy that is hellbent on letting the world know that you are speaking with facts, you sure did throw in some speculation by saying that he is here for a check. I wouldn't think someone here for a check would hit the recruiting trail as hard as he has. Dooley was here for a check. Pump the brakes on your CBJ statement. You have no way of knowing that.

And it's becoming cliche at this point, and I know you hate slogans, but once again, your logic isn't as sound as you think it is.

 

[MedicT]

Given that we are all fans of UT, there isn't much chance of any winning.

Is your name Eeyore, by chance?:toast:

 

[Wylo]

Again, my logic is fine.

The fact that he is a hard worker does not prove that he isn't here for a check.

He would've worked hard at Colorado.

He has a good work ethic. Yay for him.

 

[Wylo]

Is your name Eeyore, by chance?:toast:

Hey pooooooh.....

 

[BeecherVol]

As a former player, you should be able to recognize that screens didn't work against Florida. You should also have been able to realize that Florida's db's were playing tight and our receivers couldn't get separation. Go back and watch again.

After going back and watching it, the blitz should have been irrelevant late in the 3rd quarter.

 

[daj2576]

It's exactly what I think of "coach" Butch Jones.

He's a recruiter. A very good recruiter. He's just very underwhelming as a coach.

I have facts and results on my side. You have rainbows and dreams.

But I'm the delusional one?

You don't have anything more than your interpretation of results on your side.

Here are some facts.

This year, talent has predicted 100% of the the games UT has played. We beat the two inferior rosters, and lost to the three superior rosters. In fact, Tennessee's results have gotten better as their competition has gotten better. We lost by 24, then 3, then 1 to the 4th, 3rd and 2nd most talented rosters we will face all year. Remember, many Vegas's books opening line showed that UF should win that game by 1 point. Bettors shifted the line to UT's favor, not the objective handicappers that created the initial line.

This means that talent has predicted 15 of the 17 games since Jones has taken the helm. That means that 88% of Butch's games at UT turned out exactly like his roster would predict, with the 2 game difference being losses to a lessor talented Mizzou and Vanderbilt last season.

For comparison's sake, over that same span, Nick Saban is 15 of 18 for 83%. Nick Saban has lost 3 games to lessor talented opponents since Butch Jones has been at UT.

Here is the bottom line:

This year talent is 5-0. Butch has not lost a game he should win, nor won a game he should have lost.

For all of you who perceive this Florida team to be the worst in a generation, you are missing that Florida has performed exactly to talent expectations this year. They lost the game to Bama that had more talent, and won against the teams with lessor talent. Yes, Muschamp is the coach with the biggest negative effect on talent, but Florida is still the second most talented team in the SEC, and 6th in the nation. Tennessee lost to them by 1 point. Last year's 4-8 disaster means no more to this year's Florida team, than the previous year's 11 win season had on last year's Florida team.

The wheels haven't come off for the Vols. The only problem is that our perception very rarely matches reality. We wanted improvement over last year? Well, UT didn't get beat by 50 against an out of conference top 5 opponent this year, cut the margin of defeat against UGA in half, playing them at their place with no key injuries to their roster. This UT team was within a point of beating the Gators for only the second time in a decade. Let's not forget that Muschamp was coaching for his job, and the Gators had two weeks to prepare after being embarrassed.

Talent matters immensely, and Jones is, despite your assertions of "mounting losses", and with obvious glaring deficiencies at certain position groups, doing exactly what talent should expect this year.

MyBloodIsOrange.com: Silence Legion, Save Your Poison.

 

[MedicT]

:thumbsup:

Hey pooooooh.....

 

[Volumnus 2011]

CBJ is the ceo. It is at his feet. Offense. Defense. Special teams.

The lack of offense is on him. The letdown of the defense is on him. The defense was potentially wore out from the best staff in America's pathetic attempts to give the game away on offense, which they did.

My logic and reasoning are sound.

My question to you is, what good is it to come on Volnation and act like the girl that didn't get asked to prom? What is so wrong with letting the season play out instead of saying five games into the season that CBJ isn't a good coach?

Recruits read this site. It's been proven time and time again. Questioning the head coach is going to happen. Every fan base is going to do that. But why come on here and act like you've got a crystal ball saying that we'll always be in a cellar with CBJ at the helm?

If you attract enough followers in your anti-christ-like attempt, then a negative vibe could begin to shine through the vocal minority. Recruits may be less inclined to listen to these "slogans" if the fan base starts making fun of them. You're being counterproductive to the program, even if just a minor bit. What's wrong with putting on the Vol gear and supporting the team regardless until the season is over?

This isn't a "true fan" argument, this is a "what is your purpose in life" argument.

 

[mrorange211]

Be patient. The longer you guys stay quiet, the more checks I can cash before everyone realizes I am not a good coach.

Hey check out my recruiting.

Nevermind Vanderbilt and Florida embarrassments, just get my offense properly described in the media.

Brick by brick

Slogan by Sloan

Loss by loss.

The new Tennessee way.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

You don't have anything more than your interpretation of results on your side.

Here are some facts.

This year, talent has predicted 100% of the the games UT has played. We beat the two inferior rosters, and lost to the three superior rosters. In fact, Tennessee's results have gotten better as their competition has gotten better. We lost by 24, then 3, then 1 to the 4th, 3rd and 2nd most talented rosters we will face all year. Remember, many Vegas's books opening line showed that UF should win that game by 1 point. Bettors shifted the line to UT's favor, not the objective handicappers that created the initial line.

This means that talent has predicted 15 of the 17 games since Jones has taken the helm. That means that 88% of Butch's games at UT turned out exactly like his roster would predict, with the 2 game difference being losses to a lessor talented Mizzou and Vanderbilt last season.

For comparison's sake, over that same span, Nick Saban is 15 of 18 for 83%. Nick Saban has lost 3 games to lessor talented opponents since Butch Jones has been at UT.

Here is the bottom line:

This year talent is 5-0. Butch has not lost a game he should win, nor won a game he should have lost.

For all of you who perceive this Florida team to be the worst in a generation, you are missing that Florida has performed exactly to talent expectations this year. They lost the game to Bama that had more talent, and won against the teams with lessor talent. Yes, Muschamp is the coach with the biggest negative effect on talent, but Florida is still the second most talented team in the SEC, and 6th in the nation. Tennessee lost to them by 1 point. Last year's disaster means no more to this team, than the previous year's 11 win season had on last year's Florida team.

The wheels haven't come off. The only problem is that our perception, very rarely matches reality. You wanted improvement over last year? Well, UT didn't get beat by 50 against an out of conference top 5 opponent this year, cut the margin of defeat against UGA in half, playing them at their place with no key injuries to their roster. This UT team was within a point of beating the Gators for only the second time in a decade. Let's not forget that Muschamp was coaching for his job, and the Gators had two weeks to prepare after being embarrassed.

I keep looking for you to come in here and pimpslap people with facts. Your posts should be stickied so that people can put their perception of facts against your true facts. Now, remind me again how accurate of an indicator talent is to win/loss percentage.

 

[KBVol]

You don't have anything more than your interpretation of results on your side.

Here are some facts.

This year, talent has predicted 100% of the the games UT has played. We beat the two inferior rosters, and lost to the three superior rosters. In fact, Tennessee's results have gotten better as their competition has gotten better. We lost by 24, then 3, then 1 to the 4th, 3rd and 2nd most talented rosters we will face all year. Remember, many Vegas's books opening line showed that UF should win that game by 1 point. Bettors shifted the line to UT's favor, not the objective handicappers that created the initial line.

This means that talent has predicted 15 of the 17 games since Jones has taken the helm. That means that 88% of Butch's games at UT turned out exactly like his roster would predict, with the 2 game difference being losses to a lessor talented Mizzou and Vanderbilt last season.

For comparison's sake, over that same span, Nick Saban is 15 of 18 for 83%. Nick Saban has lost 3 games to lessor talented opponents since Butch Jones has been at UT.

Here is the bottom line:

This year talent is 5-0. Butch has not lost a game he should win, nor won a game he should have lost.

For all of you who perceive this Florida team to be the worst in a generation, you are missing that Florida has performed exactly to talent expectations this year. They lost the game to Bama that had more talent, and won against the teams with lessor talent. Yes, Muschamp is the coach with the biggest negative effect on talent, but Florida is still the second most talented team in the SEC, and 6th in the nation. Tennessee lost to them by 1 point. Last year's disaster means no more to this team, than the previous year's 11 win season had on last year's Florida team.

The wheels haven't come off. The only problem is that our perception, very rarely matches reality. You wanted improvement over last year? Well, UT didn't get beat by 50 against an out of conference top 5 opponent this year, cut the margin of defeat against UGA in half, playing them at their place with no key injuries to their roster. This UT team was within a point of beating the Gators for only the second time in a decade. Let's not forget that Muschamp was coaching for his job, and the Gators had two weeks to prepare after being embarrassed.

Talent matters immensely, and Jones is, despite your assertions of "mounting losses", and glaring deficiencies at certain position groups, doing exactly what talent should expect this year.

Hey Daj, very curious to see the same type of analysis done for David Shaw at Stanford and/or D'Antonio at Mich St. Am I incorrect in thinking that those 2 collect multiple wins each year well beyond what their talent would predict?