CBJ: "King of Bad Decisions"

[KBVol]

Well, he started beating UGA, so you may want to shorten that list if you're going to keep it.

Perhaps you noticed the 1-8 record I referenced? As you surely know that 1 was Georgia, who he's now 1-2 against. Since they're one of our top 3 rivals, they surely stay on the list.

 

[jkleno]

One has to believe CBJ sat in amazement last night pondering how a coach can actually make the necessary adjustments during a game and come to win rallying back on a 33-0 run.

 

[Shocker0]

Where were all these negative posters when we were on a win streak and took NW to the woodshed?

Hell we still are on the same winning streak lol. People seem to consider Thursday a loss, though. After double checking, it does say we are 1-0.

 

[volfan102455]

One has to believe CBJ sat in amazement last night pondering how a coach can actually make the necessary adjustments during a game and come to win rallying back on a 33-0 run.

I'm not sure any adjustments were made. It could have been that one team woke up and started playing while another team thought they had it in the bag and stopped playing.

FSU seems to make it a habit of getting behind. That will eventually get them in trouble. A team has to be really a lot better than the team they are playing to spot them points and then catch back up and win.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I appreciate what he's done to build the program back, I've said it 1000 times in here. But he has a national reputation as a poor gameday coach, and it wasn't earned in a vacuum. He's lost games in each of his 3 seasons that he just shouldn't have lost.

He has to take a significant step forward there IMO and until he does, until he proves everybody wrong in that regard, the perception of him will not change. He's 1-8 now vs his 3 biggest rivals in his first 3 seasons. It's year 4.....Start beating Florida, Georgia and Bama and all this talk, all these threads will go away.

Perhaps you noticed the 1-8 record I referenced? As you surely know that 1 was Georgia, who he's now 1-2 against. Since they're one of our top 3 rivals, they surely stay on the list.

It's a small thing, but what you wrote nonetheless. If you want to change the criteria... Or not. It's your list.

 

[Bope]

One has to believe CBJ sat in amazement last night pondering how a coach can actually make the necessary adjustments during a game and come to win rallying back on a 33-0 run.

Uh, didn't Butch rally the Vols down big against UGA last year?

Was that not our biggest home comeback ever?

I'm pretty sure it was. If not, it still flies in the face of what you're saying.

Not even going to mention SCar game in 2014, which we had .0000000001 chance of winning, down big in the 4th quarter, on the road.

 

[TN Outlaw]

Perhaps you noticed the 1-8 record I referenced? As you surely know that 1 was Georgia, who he's now 1-2 against. Since they're one of our top 3 rivals, they surely stay on the list.

Be completely honest, given the situation UT had Butch's 1st couple years how much should we read into that record vs the hated 3? Like I said, honestly?

That record has no meaning before last year and even then this was still a true soph/junior majority team.

 

[Grude_Awakening]

My dad and I were recently discussing Butch's pretty obvious lack of in game coaching. Then we started talking about development of players. I've been thinking for a couple days about, who on this roster has truly been developed since arriving? I can think of many players who were actually better or good as they are now during their Freshman season. I really couldn't come up with a single player other than Reeves-Maybin, but he was a stud on special teams and you could see he would be special. So I'm not sure he's really any better than he could have been his freshman season if he had been a starter. Can anybody out there think of one player that's gotten better after each year of Butch?

 

[SaintLouisVol]

Be completely honest, given the situation UT had Butch's 1st couple years how much should we read into that record vs the hated 3? Like I said, honestly?

That record has no meaning before last year and even then this was still a true soph/junior majority team.

Doesn't matter. Arguing with Negavols is like arguing with your lady. Once it starts, everything you've ever done wrong is on the table and you're likely to hear about it.

 

[MWAVolfan]

Uh, didn't Butch rally the Vols down big against UGA last year?

Was that not our biggest home comeback ever?

I'm pretty sure it was. If not, it still flies in the face of what you're saying.

Not even going to mention SCar game in 2014, which we had .0000000001 chance of winning, down big in the 4th quarter, on the road.

Yeah, the problem with CBJ isn't rallying, it's stopping other teams from rallying against us.

 

[wtorange]

My dad and I were recently discussing Butch's pretty obvious lack of in game coaching. Then we started talking about development of players. I've been thinking for a couple days about, who on this roster has truly been developed since arriving? I can think of many players who were actually better or good as they are now during their Freshman season. I really couldn't come up with a single player other than Reeves-Maybin, but he was a stud on special teams and you could see he would be special. So I'm not sure he's really any better than he could have been his freshman season if he had been a starter. Can anybody out there think of one player that's gotten better after each year of Butch?

Kerbyson, E Mosely, Sutton, Alex Ellis, O'Brien, Hall, Wolfe, Josh Smith. Palardy, Dahr, Daniel and I may have left some out.

 

[UTandUNC]

What the hell is wrong with you people trashing CBJ?? He inherited a full blown dumpster fire and has us in a much better position than we have been in a very long time. That being said, how about some of you know it all, arm chair quarterbacks get off your ass and get out there and do better? Oh wait, nobody is interested in you being the coach because you don't know crap.

 

[D-rock]

Yawn....wake me when we beat an SEC team worth talking about

...and a like for you!
:good!:

 

[TGVol]

I still have some doubts about CBJ as far as coaching abilities (and especially about his offensive schema), but I'm reserving my judgement until next year - want to see what our offense looks like when we have a QB who can accurately/consistently throw the football. By the way, this does not mean I"m advocating QB change this year - Dobbs still gives us the best chance to win this year.

 

[chattavol420]

How about a couple of years ago running the read option constantly with Worley (while dobbs sat on the bench mind you). After a game or two defenses would just crash down in the rb understanding that Worley was never going to run. It just made no sense whatsoever.

But there are so many stupid things he's done. Even so much of what he says is stupid. After the game he defended our performance. Lol. Compare that to Saban saying he wasn't happy with their performance. What a doofus. A doofus that got a raise and had his buyout increased last year by doofus no.2.

 

[Grude_Awakening]

Kerbyson, E Mosely, Sutton, Alex Ellis, O'Brien, Hall, Wolfe, Josh Smith. Palardy, Dahr, Daniel and I may have left some out.

I had thought about Cam but I think he was better as a sophomore than junior. I really can't say Wolf is better, same amount of catches in year one and two, 90 more yards and 2 tds in his career. I'll give you Alex Ellis, Kerbyson and Josh Smith. And I'm not gonna talk punter development. If that's what he has to base his development success on then lord help us.
Not really any better since arrival list: J.Malone, Hurd, Barnett, J. Roberson, M. North, Gaulden, Foreman, J. Martin, Croom, TKJ, Elliot Berry, D. Bates, Wolf, J. Robertson, C. Jumper, every receiver on the team besides J.Smith.... On and on and on.

 

[sjt18]

And NOBODY expected the '85 Vols to win the SEC after losing a 16 point lead to UCLA....

And NOBODY expected the '85 Vols to stomp #1 Auburn in Knoxville

And NOBODY expected the '85 Vols to stomp Miami in the Sugar Bowl....

especially after all of the poor play during the '84 season seemed to continue on into the first game of the '85 season....

Precisely what point are you trying to make here? One about ASU or UT?

The expectations for UT aren't low this year.

You see--you guys sound like the same 'ol broken record that has been playing for a long time....

There's a reason for that. The very same concerns, trends, and tendencies seem to keep coming up. Most of them IMO relate directly to Jones' coaching on game day, game management, and game strategy.

I think he's done a great job building and developing a great roster. I think he's changed the culture for the better. I'm glad UT is doing well in the class room and not having the thug reports any more....

But he's still not getting it done consistently on game day. He preaches consistency.... but isn't consistent.

I wonder what Ohio State's message board looked like a few years ago after they lost to a very bad Va. Tech team in the first week of the season??

My boss is a tOSU grad. They were unhappy and especially with Meyer's confused QB situation.

So what you are saying I guess.... is those of us who expect better parallel Buckeye fans who expected a championship and got it?

 

[volfan102455]

I had thought about Cam but I think he was better as a sophomore than junior. I really can't say Wolf is better, same amount of catches in year one and two, 90 more yards and 2 tds in his career. I'll give you Alex Ellis, Kerbyson and Josh Smith. And I'm not gonna talk punter development. If that's what he has to base his development success on then lord help us.
Not really any better since arrival list: J.Malone, Hurd, Barnett, J. Roberson, M. North, Gaulden, Foreman, J. Martin, Croom, TKJ, Elliot Berry, D. Bates, Wolf, J. Robertson, C. Jumper, every receiver on the team besides J.Smith.... On and on and on.

You do realize that some of this is on the players as well. They are the ones on the field. They must execute. And they must stay healthy and the supporting cast must stay healthy. For example while a RB may be able to run over everyone in high school (.... because sometimes they are the fastest and strongest player ...), they are not going to do that in college where all players are big and fast unless they have blocking. No blocks - no yardage.

 

[Grude_Awakening]

You do realize that some of this is on the players as well. They are the ones on the field. They must execute. And they must stay healthy and the supporting cast must stay healthy. For example while a RB may be able to run over everyone in high school (.... because sometimes they are the fastest and strongest player ...), they are not going to do that in college where all players are big and fast unless they have blocking. No blocks - no yardage.

Yes I obviously realize you can't blame a player being injured on the coach. But you have to realize the list of players who have gotten better from Year 1 to 2 then from 2 to 3 and so on..... Is pathetic. Basically nobody has gotten better and better and better. In fact there is a startling number of players who were better Freshman or Juniors (after juco) then any year after. Don't know why people want to ignore this. Obviously every player doesn't pan out, but this is to a different degree.

 

[paradox89]

I'm glad that we're gonna mix it up for VTech.

Well I'm just glad one of us has a crystal ball and knows how our offense will operate this Sat.

Who knows? I hope you're right, but Butch has shown that he can be overly conservative, after starting out w some rather aggressive off play calling, in big games as well as the "can't lose this one" games.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I have a problem with being in shotgun on the 1 in overtime.

Complete hard headedness.

This. That was a freaking bonehead call.

 

[KBVol]

Be completely honest, given the situation UT had Butch's 1st couple years how much should we read into that record vs the hated 3? Like I said, honestly?

That record has no meaning before last year and even then this was still a true soph/junior majority team.

No, that's fair to some extent. I firmly believe 1-8 ought to be 3-6 given that we should've beaten Florida each of the last two seasons, but I disgress.

That being said, my post is more about what needs to happen for Butch to shake his reputation as a poor gameday coach which I firmly believe he's rightfully earned. Going forward, he's gotta give as much or more to his 3 biggest rivals than he gets. He goes 2-1 vs Fla, Ga and Bama and reputation begins to fade. He goes 3-0 and a new narrative begins to take hold. But he simply can't be 1-8 again over the next 9 games vs those 3. I know.....duh.

 

[McDad]

No, that's fair to some extent. I firmly believe 1-8 ought to be 3-6 given that we should've beaten Florida each of the last two seasons, but I disgress.

That being said, my post is more about what needs to happen for Butch to shake his reputation as a poor gameday coach which I firmly believe he's rightfully earned. Going forward, he's gotta give as much or more to his 3 biggest rivals than he gets. He goes 2-1 vs Fla, Ga and Bama and reputation begins to fade. He goes 3-0 and a new narrative begins to take hold. But he simply can't be 1-8 again over the next 9 games vs those 3. I know.....duh.

Why are you wanting the reputation to fade and a new narrative to take hold?

Recruiting?

 

[Iam4utalways]

Well I'm just glad one of us has a crystal ball and knows how our offense will operate this Sat.

Who knows? I hope you're right, but Butch has shown that he can be overly conservative, after starting out w some rather aggressive off play calling, in big games as well as the "can't lose this one" games.

It's more like a crystal pitcher full of ice cold Orange Kool-aid, well 1/2 full. Pour yourself a glass sit back and relax they got this.

It would take effort to run a more conservative offense against VT compared to App.


See ya'll in Tampa.

Go Vols!

 

[volmsbd]

The guy is a freaking idiot. No reason to sugar coat it. X's & O's, game management, player development, play calling, EVERYTHING. Even if he isn't directly over some of those, he is still the head coach and oversees everything and is the final say so. Let's try this...what is something he is exceptional at? Nothing. Look at Saban, his guy is struggling, he puts in another option at qb...wow...imagine that. And the guy DELIVERED BIG TIME. Smart put in Eason...boom, the kid can play. Butch Jones' dumbass leaves Dobbs in after showing for the 3rd year that he still cannot play qb. How would we ever know what we potentially have?? Jones leaves a senior in that can only muster 3 points well into the second half against App St. He has no instincts and no balls to coach in the SEC, Be a Saban, not a Jones. What a goof, in ever facet.