CBJ: "King of Bad Decisions"

[TGVol]

Where were all these negative posters when we were on a win streak and took NW to the woodshed?

Probably watching the Vols and enjoying the beat-down of NW, while at the same time wishing Vols were in a better bowl demolishing someone higher ranked instead - which would have happened if we did not lose 3 games due to some horrible play-calling by our best staff in America.

 

[McDad]

So again, is your standard just to be a little better than Dooley?

my standard is wins.

Do you really lay this all on the players? I'll agree that they played poorly and some especially on the OL played horribly. But how many times does that happen before responsibility rises above players?

I dont think i blamed anyone...as least not after i cooled down by Saturday. Our player performance is inexplicable, isn't it? We had veteran players make some uncharacteristically bad decisions on Thursday. That could be CBJ. But to his credit, he's had the team "dialed in" during other games.

I'll just take the win even if undeserved because we've had plenty of losses that we didn't deserve. Call it karma or odds or a return to averages. I will know all i need to know about our staff once the gun sounds at ATM.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Everything is fine except the win/loss column. As long as he continues our win streak he can do it his way. Once the streak is broken, all bets are off. He needs to get streak up to 21+.

 

[BeardedVol]

Probably watching the Vols and enjoying the beat-down of NW, while at the same time wishing Vols were in a better bowl demolishing someone higher ranked instead - which would have happened if we did not lose 3 games due to some horrible play-calling by our best staff in America.

 

[McDad]

If Chubbs d8dnt go down literally in the first few minutes of that game last year, the outcome would have not been so favorable for us. I know, what ifs, what could have happens suck. But, don't hold that up as a key SEC win for CBJ. If we had won that game with a healthy chubby, then I would agree with ya...just sayin'

This reasoning goes both ways, right?

1. If Maggit healthy, OU is a win.
2. If Maggit healthy, UF is a win.
3. If Hurd doesnt fumble deep in our own territory....

This kind of if/then hypotheticals could go on forever.

 

[VolsnRavens]

Holy crap people. A lot of Power 5 teams played crappy yesterday to lower level talent than Appy State. It's one game. If we come out at Va Tech and look exactly the same, with the same level of execution, and the same amount of mistakes, I'll buy into there is a serious problem. But it being the first game of the season, I'm gonna give them a pass. We gotta win. We're 1-0 and we're criticizing them like we lost to App State 52 -10. Sheesh. The motto of "Any given Saturday" or Sunday is true. Let's let this game go. We won, time to focus on the next team. We'll meet back here next Saturday and see how things play out. Until then, go Vols! My blood is still Orange

 

[KBVol]

Well, he gave us our best season since 2007 last year and has gotten UT back in the top 10 - at least as far as perception is concerned.

More than the last two coaches EVER did.

You would think after so much turmoil, Vol fans would be a tiny bit appreciative of how far we have come.

But no, they whine and cry after a WIN.

Florida looked like HOT GARBAGE, now go check out their fan boards. They aren't melting down. They're talking about how stupid we are acting.

Some of you are just mentally weak. The first sign of adversity and you jump ship. It's likely your lives imitate this kind of pussified way of going about things.

Man up or shut up.

I appreciate what he's done to build the program back, I've said it 1000 times in here. But he has a national reputation as a poor gameday coach, and it wasn't earned in a vacuum. He's lost games in each of his 3 seasons that he just shouldn't have lost.

He has to take a significant step forward there IMO and until he does, until he proves everybody wrong in that regard, the perception of him will not change. He's 1-8 now vs his 3 biggest rivals in his first 3 seasons. It's year 4.....Start beating Florida, Georgia and Bama and all this talk, all these threads will go away.

 

[VolsRGood]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Butch can still be a long term solution for the Vols. If we lose to VT this weekend or if its even a close game, I will say fire the guy.

Ill mark up app state as a weird game where the clock was milked on us and we could never get in rhythm. But we allowed them to dictate the pace of the game by giving them the lead.

 

[daj2576]

Yawn....wake me when we beat an SEC team worth talking about

That's an odd paradigm.

Would it be worth talking about Kentucky, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt and Mizzou if we were losing to them?

Because, we were. And, lots of words were spent talking about losing to those teams. It's odd then that beating them is a non event.

Consider that when Butch took the helm, we had never beaten Mizzou, had recently lost to Kentucky for the first time in about 30 years, had a string of losses against SCAR, UGA and even a terrible loss to Vanderbilt. Each year, Butch has ended a streak against a team (and, has not started a losing streak that didn't start before he took over).

The two that are left are UF and Bama. I'll wager that one of those ends this year. In sum, Butch ended a losing streak against SCAR, UGA, Mizzou and Vandy (although half of that streak came with Butch at the helm).

It's almost like so many of you have forgotten where we were just a few years ago, and want to ignore the upward trajectory we are on because it isn't vertical.

 

[Iam4utalways]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Butch can still be a long term solution for the Vols. If we lose to VT this weekend or if its even a close game, I will say fire the guy.

Ill mark up app state as a weird game where the clock was milked on us and we could never get in rhythm. But we allowed them to dictate the pace of the game by giving them the lead.

App would have milked the clock with or withou the lead.

So close win against VTech = fire Butch?

 

[TN Outlaw]

Lol

I thought I really knew football but you guys show me how far behind I really am and how feeble my little mind is.

If any of you guys can truly know what our players, coaches, and season outlook will be based off of one game where all kinds of stuff went wrong than some of you guys need to publish a dern book for dummy's like me to read.

Not enough good play in that game to defend and a lot of mistakes that don't normally happen did so if our players had played to the level I've seen them play several times over, CBJ could've been conservative and predictable and still dominated the game so I still don't have a clue what we have or lack.

Cudos to the VN experts nega and pumpers for knowing from that game.

 

[jimallvol]

Where was our motivation on Thursday?

No kidding! Im sick of hearing the excuse, "Its hard to get the players fired up playing on a Thursday, when their use to playing on Saturdays" Ive heard that quiet a few times since Thursday night. Even Kevin Mays said it on the Locker Room Sunday night. IMO fb is fb no matter what day your playing on!

 

[Orange_Crush]

This reasoning goes both ways, right?

1. If Maggit healthy, OU is a win.
2. If Maggit healthy, UF is a win.
3. If Hurd doesnt fumble deep in our own territory....

This kind of if/then hypotheticals could go on forever.

Not o mention that UGA got lots of offensive (run) production from their replacement. It's not like UGA was shut down due to Chubbs' injury. It was next-man-up, and he played like a man.

UT earned that win.

 

[NEVolFan]

It's abundantly clear that Butch is incapable of making in game adjustments. I think he just believes in his system so much that he's willing to "live or die" with it. "Trust the process"...

Some comment he made at half time last year... No adjustments... We just need to execute better.

So I do feel he locks down on a game plan like a pit bull on an ankle.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I appreciate what he's done to build the program back, I've said it 1000 times in here. But he has a national reputation as a poor gameday coach, and it wasn't earned in a vacuum. He's lost games in each of his 3 seasons that he just shouldn't have lost.

He has to take a significant step forward there IMO and until he does, until he proves everybody wrong in that regard, the perception of him will not change. He's 1-8 now vs his 3 biggest rivals in his first 3 seasons. It's year 4.....Start beating Florida, Georgia and Bama and all this talk, all these threads will go away.

Well, he started beating UGA, so you may want to shorten that list if you're going to keep it.

 

[Flipdaddy]

Where were all these negative posters when we were on a win streak and took NW to the woodshed?

So a win streak including UK, USC, No Tx, Mizzu, Vandy, and NW is proof that Jones is a good coach????

How bout a streak over VT, UF, UGA, and Ta&m, then we'll talk. C'mon man quit accepting mediocrity.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Some comment he made at half time last year... No adjustments... We just need to execute better.

So I do fell he locks down on a game plan like a pit bull on an ankle.

"We didn't feel that we needed to make adjustments" != "We don't believe in adjustments, so never make them".

 

[Sin City Vol]

I live in Northern Virginia and listen to the local ESPN D.C. radio when I'm in the car. This morning on the show "Kevin and Cooley" they were breaking down coaches who mismanaged the clock over the college football weekend, which is a regular segment they do.

What was interesting was when they were talking about how bad the App State coach mismanaged the clock at the end of the game, the lead host diverted from App States coach and said something like "Butch Jones, by the way, who's the King of making bad decisions, such as losing to Florida last year for no good reason..."

While its no secret CBJ has made some questionable calls, its still interesting to hear that there are those outside the SEC, and even college football in general that see how poorly Jones is at being an in-game coach. Great recruiter/motivator, not so good at making decisions between the white lines

I don't think he makes bad decisions, I think he coaches tight. If he coached the regular season like he does bowl games this team would be unstoppable

 

[VolFreakJosh]

Where were all these negative posters when we were on a win streak and took NW to the woodshed?

Bandwagon fans. They only care about Tennessee when they're winning which isn't right considering you should support your team under any circumstance. It's fine to criticize where it's due but when you're still finding something negative to talk about in the Appalachian St. game that was played a week ago which we've already won, you're just being an ass hole at this point. I would put money down that if we beat Virginia Tech this weekend, Negavols will still bring up the Appalachian St. game. It's foolishness.

 

[LocoVol]

honestly wouldn't consider myself a nega. Just want to see our coaches put our players in the best position to win

I wouldn't let it bother you considering the genius of the other side said kiffen was the man to return us to glory and dooley would have things going in the right direction if we are patient. They are not as smart as they think they are. The so called negs's are right far more often.

 

[Alto1]

Defense adjusted great. Second half we shut them down. Does butch get credit for that?

Good point!

I've heard the "but if they made the FG, they would of won". Well they didn't.
We didn't make the FG against FL last year.

Bottom line is did we win or lose? WE WON!

Ugly, YES!

Hopefully we will learn from our mistakes and move forward. Coaches and players................

 

[Bope]

Why is it that any criticism leveled against CBJ and this staff, is immediately "whining" or "jumping ship"? We are not Florida with a second year HC, with a barel serviceable QB and OL. Posters on SwampGas are deluding themselves given their situation. We are a team returning 17 starters, in the 4th year under CBJ, ranked 9th in the country, and we came out and played like an unprepared high school team.

I'm sorry, but I have higher expectations for the staff at this point. Tennessee has been mediocre for way to long to just accept the performance we saw on Thursday. It is flat out unacceptable with the talent and experience that we have on this team.

I accept the performance because we WON. Some of the stuff on here, they are valid criticisms - but my problem is the people who continually imply or say outright, that we have a bad coaching staff. Many of those fall into a category that simply do not like spread option offenses, which is fine, but they translate that into "Botch is stupid! Fire him!" They basically wait with bated breath for any and every reason to hurl criticism at the coaches AND players.

It is tiresome and it makes this board unreadable. Not to mention, it makes many of you look like obsessive, fixated lunatics.

We played one game, played badly, and won.

Fix the mistakes and move on.

This complete meltdown BS is beyond old. It makes me wonder how long many of you have followed Vol football. I'm 34, but I am old enough to remember some great UT teams that, at times, looked EXACTLY like the team that showed up Thursday night.

But the lunatic, egomaniacs here are in a perpetual state of trying to prove that they are "right," at the expense of their team and fellow fans.

That goes both ways - folks who think we should roll over everyone we play are just as stupid, although more tolerable, than the ones who claim we'll be "lucky to win 6 games with these players and coaches."

The truth is, we still don't know a lot about team 120. What we do know, is that they are a scrappy bunch that does not give up. Some of our best teams of the past, given the sitiation, would not have been able to gut out that win.

This is a close knit unit. It's not a bunch of guys running around not on the same page with dreams of the NFL being their only motivating factor. These guys care about each other. And that's more than many of the UT teams of the last decade and even beyond could say.

It's too early to pass judgment, like so many seem determined to do.

 

[Alto1]

I accept the performance because we WON. Some of the stuff on here, they are valid criticisms - but my problem is the people who continually imply or say outright, that we have a bad coaching staff. Many of those fall into a category that simply do not like spread option offenses, which is fine, but they translate that into "Botch is stupid! Fire him!" They basically wait with bated breath for any and every reason to hurl criticism at the coaches AND players.

It is tiresome and it makes this board unreadable. Not to mention, it makes many of you look like obsessive, fixated lunatics.

We played one game, played badly, and won.

Fix the mistakes and move on.

This complete meltdown BS is beyond old. It makes me wonder how long many of you have followed Vol football. I'm 34, but I am old enough to remember some great UT teams that, at times, looked EXACTLY like the team that showed up Thursday night.

But the lunatic, egomaniacs here are in a perpetual state of trying to prove that they are "right," at the expense of their team and fellow fans.

That goes both ways - folks who think we should roll over everyone we play are just as stupid, although more tolerable, than the ones who claim we'll be "lucky to win 6 games with these players and coaches."

The truth is, we still don't know a lot about team 120. What we do know, is that they are a scrappy bunch that does not give up. Some of our best teams of the past, given the sitiation, would not have been able to gut out that win.

This is a close knit unit. It's not a bunch of guys running around not on the same page with dreams of the NFL being their only motivating factor. These guys care about each other. And that's more than many of the UT teams of the last decade and even beyond could say.

It's too early to pass judgment, like so many seem determined to do.

Common sense post! I like it...... :good!:

 

[AM64]

App would have milked the clock with or withou the lead.

So close win against VTech = fire Butch?

I kinda thought the part about "long term solution" and then firing based on one game was an interesting mix. A long term solution based on each next game isn't exactly the kind of thing long term planning is based on.

Butch needs an OC that can do for him what Cutcliffe did for Fulmer. Every team - whether the team on the field or the team of coaches - has to have complimentary parts to make it whole, and Butch needs a competent offensive game manager in the worst way - and to let that OC run the offense on and off the field.

 

[McDad]

That's an odd paradigm.

Would it be worth talking about Kentucky, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt and Mizzou if we were losing to them?

Because, we were. And, lots of words were spent talking about losing to those teams. It's odd then that beating them is a non event.

Consider that when Butch took the helm, we had never beaten Mizzou, had recently lost to Kentucky for the first time in about 30 years, had a string of losses against SCAR, UGA and even a terrible loss to Vanderbilt. Each year, Butch has ended a streak against a team (and, has not started a losing streak that didn't start before he took over).

The two that are left are UF and Bama. I'll wager that one of those ends this year. In sum, Butch ended a losing streak against SCAR, UGA, Mizzou and Vandy (although half of that streak came with Butch at the helm).

It's almost like so many of you have forgotten where we were just a few years ago, and want to ignore the upward trajectory we are on because it isn't vertical.

You're my hero, daj. I hope you know that.