CBJ: "King of Bad Decisions"

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SolidRockGolf said:
I don't have an issue with questioning the coaches. If a neg poster wants to think of another way to voice his opinion why is it so bad to voice the positive opinion. Are you offended that we see our coaches and team as a work in progress and don't feel that we should beat them to exhaustion every time they make a mistake?
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It's year 4. Don Mahoney has had plenty of time to cement a decent offensive line, but we are seeing the same issues year in and year out. Same with Butch's offense as a whole, it hasn't solidified into a dependable, effective scheme. You can literally tell what sort of play was called from the moment we line up. What's the point of running a read option, if there is no option?
 
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Tennessee Waltz said:
So what is the solution for this week? There is a ton of criticism, but what are the plausible alternatives? What deficiencies can be overcome right now? The ASU game is anomalous on so many levels, but to some is validation of the notion that Jones isn't the guy. I think we have a wealth of talent on this squad that we haven't seen in over a decade. There are still ample opportunities to demonstrate whether or not this team and staff can perform at a level befitting the Tennessee Volunteers. If it's all squandered then let the reevaluation proceed. It will be necessary at that time. However, since we have eleven more guaranteed games on the schedule, can we at least see how the play out?
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Loosen up on Dobbs and start running the mid-range passing game with a few shots down field to keep the D honest.

Of course we're going to see it play out. Everyone is hoping for the best.

The problem is that some of us have recognized things that looked like problems for a while now. Always called "nega" or whatever.... always told to wait and see how it plays out.

Jones has left wins on the field in each of his 3 years because of his game management going back to Vandy in year one. We were assured that it was because the team didn't have talent and was too young. Well, the team is no longer young and has plenty of talent.... yet we see what we saw vs ASU? Forgive us for thinking our earlier concerns might have been warranted. Either way, this isn't a new, isolated instance of concern. This goes back through 3 years of excuses and hand waving.
 
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sjt18 said:
Loosen up on Dobbs and start running the mid-range passing game with a few shots down field to keep the D honest.

Of course we're going to see it play out. Everyone is hoping for the best.

The problem is that some of us have recognized things that looked like problems for a while now. Always called "nega" or whatever.... always told to wait and see how it plays out.

Jones has left wins on the field in each of his 3 years because of his game management going back to Vandy in year one. We were assured that it was because the team didn't have talent and was too young. Well, the team is no longer young and has plenty of talent.... yet we see what we saw vs ASU? Forgive us for thinking our earlier concerns might have been warranted. Either way, this isn't a new, isolated instance of concern. This goes back through 3 years of excuses and hand waving.
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He hasnt left a win on the field so far in 2016.
 
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KBVol said:
They're 100% right. He's earned his reputation and it's not gonna change until he does something to change it.
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I'd like to point out that Mark Richt was EXCEPTIONALLY horrible at clock management/end game situations in his first two years @ Georgia.

It was so bad that I thought it might cost him his job.
 
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maxorange said:
I'd like to point out that Mark Richt was EXCEPTIONALLY horrible at clock management/end game situations in his first two years @ Georgia.

It was so bad that I thought it might cost him his job.
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It did. He coaches at Miami now. :)
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
How does this make him any different than the majority of football coaches? There are far fewer gunslingers out there than traditionalists.

It's about winning and losing and not whether the coach is a risk taker. When they win, you hardly care.

For example: A coach has a lead and runs the ball the whole fourth quarter.

If he loses, he's too conservative. If he wins, his team "took over the game."
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He actually isn't any different than most - but folks on here want to make it out like he is.

Many consider Dabo to be a good coach yet made mistakes late against Auburn - yes they won, but the calls in those last few minutes were really strange. Ole Miss fell apart in the second half but many on here will defend Freeze - I guess he gets a bye because he beat Alabama.

For every thing that Coach Jones is criticized for you can find situations where the other coaches (even Saban) have made similar decisions.
 
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volgr said:
There are very few people in this world that are cut out to be good Power 5 college football coaches. Butch Jones isn't on that list and he will never be on that list. He is much more fit to be a very good assistant/coordinator.
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Since there is very few, that means that very few Power 5 college football teams have or ever will have such a coach. I can name 7 SEC schools right now who obviously don't have such a coach otherwise they would not be 0-1 right now. :)
 
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sjt18 said:
I would say that Jones' risk aversion has been a problem.
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Jones coaches like one of his favorite sayings..."we're fighting for every blade of grass". To me, that saying, that mindset encapsulates how he coaches on gamedays.
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
I live in Northern Virginia and listen to the local ESPN D.C. radio when I'm in the car. This morning on the show "Kevin and Cooley" they were breaking down coaches who mismanaged the clock over the college football weekend, which is a regular segment they do.

What was interesting was when they were talking about how bad the App State coach mismanaged the clock at the end of the game, the lead host diverted from App States coach and said something like "Butch Jones, by the way, who's the King of making bad decisions, such as losing to Florida last year for no good reason..."

While its no secret CBJ has made some questionable calls, its still interesting to hear that there are those outside the SEC, and even college football in general that see how poorly Jones is at being an in-game coach. Great recruiter/motivator, not so good at making decisions between the white lines
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All of this based on decisions in 1 game.

I wonder if this folks watched any other games this weekend. There are other coaches more worthy of being slammed this weekend on what happened on the field. Most of the best teams in the country do not have good defenses.
 
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sjt18 said:
So you are satisfied with that performance with a team loaded with upper classman talent in year 4 of Jone's tenure?
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Why would you ask that? I doubt anyone is satisfied with that win. But, i can tell you this, it's more satisfying than beating a team in the stat box and walking away with 1 in the loss column. After 13 men against LSU, Music City Bowl penalty, Pig's fumble at the pylon, Outrushing the Gators et al over the last decade, I'll take the suck performance and the win this time when luck went our way.
Make no mistake. We've got legitimate issues. We may very well lose our "big 4"...we also may very well win against 3 of those. Weve seen this group of young men play better than they did Thursday night. Havent seen them play worseb which gives me hope.
 
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grobin4300 said:
I have said it once and I will say it again.............Butch Jones coaches to conservative/scared to WIN big games.......they are scared to throw the ball w/ Dobbs at QB more than 15-20x a game..........the play calling is very repetitive and predictable.........my perception is CBJ worries about what others think about him as a coach and that is why you see him NEVER blowing anybody out and if he does get a big lead, he tells the OC to just shut it down when other coaches like urban meyer, gundy, swinney, fisher; they let their 2nd string come in and still run plays to try and score to get in game experience !!!..........This is just all my opinion / perception....
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And nobody helped you with it.......promise?:unsure:
 
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utvolpj said:
I've seen much better UT teams lose to teams much worse than App St.
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It would have been interesting to have had Volnation when Memphis beat the Vols in 1996. I wonder if there would have been multiple threads about how bad the coach and QB (Manning) was in that game. That is also the year that UT just barely beat Vandy (14-7).

Edited to add: The Vols finished 10-2 that year, only other loss to, yes, you guessed it. Florida.
 
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KBVol said:
They're 100% right. He's earned his reputation and it's not gonna change until he does something to change it.
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Well, he gave us our best season since 2007 last year and has gotten UT back in the top 10 - at least as far as perception is concerned.

More than the last two coaches EVER did.

You would think after so much turmoil, Vol fans would be a tiny bit appreciative of how far we have come.

But no, they whine and cry after a WIN.

Florida looked like HOT GARBAGE, now go check out their fan boards. They aren't melting down. They're talking about how stupid we are acting.

Some of you are just mentally weak. The first sign of adversity and you jump ship. It's likely your lives imitate this kind of pussified way of going about things.

Man up or shut up.
 
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volfan102455 said:
All of this based on decisions in 1 game.

I wonder if this folks watched any other games this weekend. There are other coaches more worthy of being slammed this weekend on what happened on the field. Most of the best teams in the country do not have good defenses.
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Well, the point of my post was that the host of the show was originally talking about App state, but since they were playing Tennessee he purposely diverted the conversation to highlight the fact that CBJ is known for making bonehead coaching decisions. So yeah, reading comprehension is important...
 
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Bope said:
Well, he gave us our best season since 2007 last year and has gotten UT back in the top 10 - at least as far as perception is concerned.

More than the last two coaches EVER did.

You would think after so much turmoil, Vol fans would be a tiny bit appreciative of how far we have come.

But no, they whine and cry after a WIN.

Florida looked like HOT GARBAGE, now go check out their fan boards. They aren't melting down. They're talking about how stupid we are acting.

Some of you are just mentally weak. The first sign of adversity and you jump ship. It's likely your lives imitate this kind of pussified way of going about things.

Man up or shut up.
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Why is it that any criticism leveled against CBJ and this staff, is immediately "whining" or "jumping ship"? We are not Florida with a second year HC, with a barel serviceable QB and OL. Posters on SwampGas are deluding themselves given their situation. We are a team returning 17 starters, in the 4th year under CBJ, ranked 9th in the country, and we came out and played like an unprepared high school team.

I'm sorry, but I have higher expectations for the staff at this point. Tennessee has been mediocre for way to long to just accept the performance we saw on Thursday. It is flat out unacceptable with the talent and experience that we have on this team.
 
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