CBJ Kicks Off Fall Camp with 11:30 LIVE Presser

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TN Outlaw said:
I agree. We all know he made a mistake and the right thing prob would've been to admit to it back in the post game session but now it's history. It wouldnt change a thing about what happened and only give UT negative headlines and would give other coaches more to use against us with potential recruits.

Prob best to just move on to team 120 and kicking of the azz's of any and all in their way.

I'm ready for some practice notes!
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I mostly agree with your point and the other guy who made the argument about how he would gain nothing and so forth. Mostly.

I'm not asking him to hold a presser and rehash and explain it. I would like to see him not dodge the question when it's asked directly. Something along the lines of "Yea looking back sometimes mistakes get made in the heat of the moment and just like the players improve the coaches have to improve"

It's not breaking news. Anyone with half a brain (So almost 32 posters on volnation) knows that it was a clear cut error. It's not subjective like, "Oh, he ran it up the middle or got predictable"

It just sits wrong with me. I guess what brought it back up in my mind was the recent talking point about Jalen Reeves Maybin showing the lowlight video of Vols' errors during the season and leading off with his own.

Again, I hope with his own team he has admitted the error.
 
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MustafaRasta said:
I mostly agree with your point and the other guy who made the argument about how he would gain nothing and so forth. Mostly.

I'm not asking him to hold a presser and rehash and explain it. I would like to see him not dodge the question when it's asked directly. Something along the lines of "Yea looking back sometimes mistakes get made in the heat of the moment and just like the players improve the coaches have to improve"

It's not breaking news. Anyone with half a brain (So almost 32 posters on volnation) knows that it was a clear cut error. It's not subjective like, "Oh, he ran it up the middle or got predictable"

It just sits wrong with me. I guess what brought it back up in my mind was the recent talking point about Jalen Reeves Maybin showing the lowlight video of Vols' errors during the season and leading off with his own.

Again, I hope with his own team he has admitted the error.
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Eh, I still think it was the right decision. We just had a 7+ minute drive to go up by two scores. You have three scenarios.

1. Go for two and get it (44% historically). You are up by 14. It only matters if they score two touchdowns, which would put all of the momentum on their side at home going into overtime. The only upside is you can force overtime at UF having lost all momentum by OT, which we likely lose at that point.

2. Go for two and don't get it (56% historically). You lose all momentum from the 7+ minute drive and reinvigorate the Swamp. Worst possible scenario.

3. Go for one to go up by 13. Maintain all of the momentum. This tells your defense you trust them to stop them.

Had we gone for two and gotten it, we would have likely still lost. I don't think we beat them in OT at the swamp based on the way that game was going anyway. With 10+ minutes to go, kick the PAT. That's how I see it.
 
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MustafaRasta said:
I mostly agree with your point and the other guy who made the argument about how he would gain nothing and so forth. Mostly.

I'm not asking him to hold a presser and rehash and explain it. I would like to see him not dodge the question when it's asked directly. Something along the lines of "Yea looking back sometimes mistakes get made in the heat of the moment and just like the players improve the coaches have to improve"

It's not breaking news. Anyone with half a brain (So almost 32 posters on volnation) knows that it was a clear cut error. It's not subjective like, "Oh, he ran it up the middle or got predictable"

It just sits wrong with me. I guess what brought it back up in my mind was the recent talking point about Jalen Reeves Maybin showing the lowlight video of Vols' errors during the season and leading off with his own.

Again, I hope with his own team he has admitted the error.
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Don't get me wrong, I can see your point. It felt like the wrong decision to me at the time and hindsight says it was a mistake. I would have liked to have heard him say after the game that he made a mistake on the extra point/2pt conv call and also time management at the end of the game along with CJJ not pressuring Grier on 4th and 13. Him owning up to that would at least say he knows those were mistakes and point to him learning and becoming better at them in the future. He didn't admit fault so that kinda sux but maybe he did with the team behind closed doors like you said.

With all that said, the best thing that could happen for this team, Butch and UT right now is absolutely nothing. No headlines at all. If he admitted wrong it would become front page news on bleacher report, sec country, the Tennesseean etc. It would cause a stink, big or little, a stink none the less for Butch and for recruiters looking for any tiny edge that could be used against him and this class don't need anything goin against it.

While it might make you and me feel better to hear and make me respect him more for him not to dodge that question I think it would hurt more than it would help. All my opinion and I'm not one of the ones with half a brain so there's that.....
 
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KBVol said:
That's great! He hit his target weight. Heard either Hubbs or PFort say he got to campus last year pushing 360....that's a lot of hard work and discipline from him. Great to see.
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Yeah to lose that much weight and get stronger he must have had a long hot summer. Great job KM!
 
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Volnukem said:
Eh, I still think it was the right decision. We just had a 7+ minute drive to go up by two scores. You have three scenarios.

1. Go for two and get it (44% historically). You are up by 14. It only matters if they score two touchdowns, which would put all of the momentum on their side at home going into overtime. The only upside is you can force overtime at UF having lost all momentum by OT, which we likely lose at that point.

2. Go for two and don't get it (66% historically). You lose all momentum from the 7+ minute drive and reinvigorate the Swamp. Worst possible scenario.

3. Go for one to go up by 13. Maintain all of the momentum. This tells your defense you trust them to stop them.

Had we gone for two and gotten it, we would have likely still lost. I don't think we beat them in OT at the swamp based on the way that game was going anyway. With 10+ minutes to go, kick the PAT. That's how I see it.
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Here's the real issue, the D gave up 2 4th Q TDs and lost the game again! See Oklahoma and Bama. CBJ did the best thing he could have after the fact...he got Shoop! I don't really care what he says I only care about what he does. :lolabove:
 
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Aesius said:
He stands to gain nothing by admitting that mistake in public. If he does, it's a headline and another negative talking point on Bleacher Report, ESPN, etc.
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He aint foolin the fans that take their orange glasses off
 
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MustafaRasta said:
I'm not asking him to hold a presser and rehash and explain it. I would like to see him not dodge the question when it's asked directly. Something along the lines of "Yea looking back sometimes mistakes get made in the heat of the moment and just like the players improve the coaches have to improve"

It's not breaking news. Anyone with half a brain (So almost 32 posters on volnation) knows that it was a clear cut error. It's not subjective like, "Oh, he ran it up the middle or got predictable"

It just sits wrong with me. I guess what brought it back up in my mind was the recent talking point about Jalen Reeves Maybin showing the lowlight video of Vols' errors during the season and leading off with his own.

Again, I hope with his own team he has admitted the error.
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The two reasons CBJ won't admit the "error" are:

1) As Volnukem layed it out, it wasn't an error, statistically or strategically.

2) To discuss that truth would publicly throw his players (or possibly his former DC) under the bus. He could say our defense was exhausted by the end of the game (and we were thin at several positions), but that would be defending his players by excusing weakness.

Those aren't acceptable option to Jones. So he'll stay with the third option: let fans (and the media) blame him. It offers him a status quo that frees him to focus on things that improve the team right now.
 
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Aesius said:
He stands to gain nothing by admitting that mistake in public. If he does, it's a headline and another negative talking point on Bleacher Report, ESPN, etc.
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Exactly. He knows he messed up, and he will learn from it.
 
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Volnukem said:
Eh, I still think it was the right decision. We just had a 7+ minute drive to go up by two scores. You have three scenarios.

1. Go for two and get it (44% historically). You are up by 14. It only matters if they score two touchdowns, which would put all of the momentum on their side at home going into overtime. The only upside is you can force overtime at UF having lost all momentum by OT, which we likely lose at that point.

2. Go for two and don't get it (66% historically). You lose all momentum from the 7+ minute drive and reinvigorate the Swamp. Worst possible scenario.

3. Go for one to go up by 13. Maintain all of the momentum. This tells your defense you trust them to stop them.

Had we gone for two and gotten it, we would have likely still lost. I don't think we beat them in OT at the swamp based on the way that game was going anyway. With 10+ minutes to go, kick the PAT. That's how I see it.
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I know Butch is all about extra effort but 110% on the different point after attempts?
 
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Volnukem said:
Eh, I still think it was the right decision. We just had a 7+ minute drive to go up by two scores. You have three scenarios.

1. Go for two and get it (44% historically). You are up by 14. It only matters if they score two touchdowns, which would put all of the momentum on their side at home going into overtime. The only upside is you can force overtime at UF having lost all momentum by OT, which we likely lose at that point.

2. Go for two and don't get it (66% historically). You lose all momentum from the 7+ minute drive and reinvigorate the Swamp. Worst possible scenario.

3. Go for one to go up by 13. Maintain all of the momentum. This tells your defense you trust them to stop them.

Had we gone for two and gotten it, we would have likely still lost. I don't think we beat them in OT at the swamp based on the way that game was going anyway. With 10+ minutes to go, kick the PAT. That's how I see it.
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The 2 point conversion is not what mattered. It was the defensive play that was called, and us missing the fgs. Jmo
 
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Just win Butch, then fans won't mind listening to so much coach speak, OK?
Go Vols:pepper::pepper:
 
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Volnukem said:
Eh, I still think it was the right decision. We just had a 7+ minute drive to go up by two scores. You have three scenarios.

1. Go for two and get it (44% historically). You are up by 14. It only matters if they score two touchdowns, which would put all of the momentum on their side at home going into overtime. The only upside is you can force overtime at UF having lost all momentum by OT, which we likely lose at that point.

2. Go for two and don't get it (56% historically). You lose all momentum from the 7+ minute drive and reinvigorate the Swamp. Worst possible scenario.

3. Go for one to go up by 13. Maintain all of the momentum. This tells your defense you trust them to stop them.

Had we gone for two and gotten it, we would have likely still lost. I don't think we beat them in OT at the swamp based on the way that game was going anyway. With 10+ minutes to go, kick the PAT. That's how I see it.
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"Worst case scenario" is trying to make it an two-touchdown game and is unsuccessful? Gimme an break dude, everyone and their brother knows Butch shoulda went for two. Kicking an PAT or missing the two point conversion has same result if gators score two TDs. At least converting the two point conversion puts your team in an position to win it in overtime, regardless of home field advantage or momentum. Butch will never admit that he screwed up. Go vols
 
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That and the blatant misuse of any stats that matter. Why would I give to shats on a landmine what the historical numbers of one point vs two point conversions are and why would they matter? They are not running the play against ghosts of two point conversions past.. They are running the play against a team they just gassed with a seven minute drive.

Volnation lovers their voodoo though and since you mixed in two numbers combined with this"%" symbol it was enough for people to wet their pants to like your post.
 
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