Carter: Bush's Impact 'Worst in History'

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emainvol said:
yep, and if i were a mean person i would call them out, but hopefully they have the sense to realize that they don't know what they are talking about, and they will refrain from posting anything else regarding jimmy carter.

and just because you were three minutes old when reagan took over doesn't make you the foremost authority.
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I was born on an Air Force base in Mass during the Kennedy administration. IMHO Carter was the worst in my lifetime and I am a democrat. I couldn't vote until 1984, but voted for both Reagen and HW Bush. W is a close second to Carter.
 
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vol_in_ar said:
I think the inaction, is more attributable to Clinton, than Carter.

Under Clinton, you have the:
First WTC Bombing
USS Cole
Kohbar Towers
African Embassy Bombings
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you guys are classic! this isn't directed at you, vol in air, more than anyone else, but your comment is typical of those who always want to cast blame wherever it feels the best. Look, I don't expect to change any minds in here, but here's the scoop: modern-day terrorism doesn't exist because of the inaction of previous administrations & terrorists do not hate us "because of our freedoms" and such as the current gov. would have you believe. They hate us because our foreign policy for the past half century has essentially consisted of the kind of activity we as a nation, frequently call "terrorism" - the violence, the bombings, the depleted uranium, the cluster bombs, the assassinations, the promotion of torture, the overthrow of governments, and more. It also doesn't help that we tend to form strong alliances with nations like Israel who deal in wholesale terrorism and display a total disregard for human rights and United Nations resolutions. Admittedly, this kind of foreign policy has encompassed administrations from both parties, but I believe never before has foreign policy and the notion of constitutional government been so blatantly used and abused as has been the case with this administration.
If you believe that terrorists do what they do because they "hate our freedoms," you are buying into one of the biggest lies ever perpetrated on the American public.
 
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Foreign policy certainly has an impact but our culture and the prevailing religious beliefs of our country do as well.

Bottomline, people want to kill us because of who we are (conservative and liberal alike). We have to deal with that. The approaches of all administrations have been insufficient. I prefer being on offense or at least active defense rather than appeasement.
 
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volinbham said:
Foreign policy certainly has an impact but our culture and the prevailing religious beliefs of our country do as well.
Bottomline, people want to kill us because of who we are (conservative and liberal alike). We have to deal with that. The approaches of all administrations have been insufficient. I prefer being on offense or at least active defense rather than appeasement.
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I agree that with this, but I also believe if it were only the cultural and religeous differences at play and you take the foreign policy out of the equation, terrorist acts against the U.S. are relatively non-existent. There are plenty of non-muslim, culturally-depraved nations out there who aren't a bullseye for terrorist organisations.
 
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Our foreign policy over the years (right or wrong) has gotten us to where we are today. Our capitalist perspective has as well.

To remove the offending actions from our foreign policy over the last half century would have seen us and the world become a very different place. It is quite likely that communist regimes would dominate both in Europe and Central/South America. Our standard of living would be likely much lower. The list goes on and on. Most importantly, our government would not have been doing what it was elected to do - serve it's citizens. These offending actions stretch across all administrations both democrat and republican.

The point is we are in a world today where many want to kill us for what we are. Attempting to remove offending actions from foreign policy will not change this.
 
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volinbham said:
Our foreign policy over the years (right or wrong) has gotten us to where we are today. Our capitalist perspective has as well.

To remove the offending actions from our foreign policy over the last half century would have seen us and the world become a very different place. It is quite likely that communist regimes would dominate both in Europe and Central/South America. Our standard of living would be likely much lower. The list goes on and on. Most importantly, our government would not have been doing what it was elected to do - serve it's citizens. These offending actions stretch across all administrations both democrat and republican.

The point is we are in a world today where many want to kill us for what we are. Attempting to remove offending actions from foreign policy will not change this.
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For the record, I wholeheartedly disagree with virtually every word in your post. Nothing personal. :peace2:
 
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Fair enough.

Which offending actions (of the past) would you change and what do you think the resulting geopolitical implications would have been? Just pick one major one that is in part responsible for terrorism aimed at the US.

Alternatively, describe the ideal foreign policy that would not result in terrorist intentions towards the US and that would still support our best national interests.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Don't you realize? The left leaning twits at the Nobel Foundation made President Peanut a Peace Prize winner. That means we all have to listen and accept everything that semisocialist piece of garbage has to say.
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Come on. Don't beat around the bush. What do you really think?
 
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hatvol96 said:
It's only silly if one considers errors of omission born out of cowardice to be equivalent to mistakes of commission born out of an awful read on the reaction of the Iraqi people to being "liberated" from fascism.
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Oh - that's why we went to Iraq. To liberate people from fascism. Of course.
 
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GAVol said:
I honestly don't care about what happened in Carter's Presidency. The bottom line is that it damages us when we've got a former President criticizing the outgoing British PM for being too close an ally.
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Don't know if it's already been covered in here, but I thought it was interesting that Huckabee is withdrawing from the Baptist Covenant Program Celebration b/c of Carter's comments. Note that he doesn't disagree with Carter, just that he spoke his mind.

Huckabee to Skip Carter Conference | World Latest | Guardian Unlimited
 
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Lexvol said:
Eventually the Bush will have to answer for the way he fought this war, and that will play out in the history books.
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My problem (and millions of others') is not with the way the war was fought, but that the war was fought at all. And I supported it in the beginning, believing that we were taking down a regime that could drop a bomb on us at any minute.

I was duped once - won't happen again.
 
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wbarron said:
My problem (and millions of others') is not with the way the war was fought, but that the war was fought at all. And I supported it in the beginning, believing that we were taking down a regime that could drop a bomb on us at any minute.

I was duped once - won't happen again.
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I bet it will.
 
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Preface: I read the title and responded immediately, so pardon me for interrupting what discussion is going on.

If Jimmy Carter had shown any balls, and PHYSICAL courage, not the "Hug the Familes of the Captives" Emotional type, brought some carriers to the gulf and treated Iran like one of Michael Vick's dogs in 1979, than the damned Militant Islamists wouldn't be quite as feisty towards us as they are right now.

Afterword: This statement in no way is meant to deflect the blame for the current situation on Jimmy Carter, i respect him as a man, and applaud his involvement in HFH, which i am actively involved in. The Presidents since Carter have played the hands they've been dealt, and GW seems to have misplayed his.
 
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It's pretty simple math 8 years of a complete disaster is worse than 4 years of the same.
 
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allvol123 said:
A complete disaster? Please elaborate on your comment.
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A complete and total disaster at FEMA at the DOJ a disaster of a war and that is just to name a few things. Oh and where are wmds and where is Bin Laden.
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No fan of Bush. But these constant "the sky has fallen" with Bush as president are comical. Your definition of disaster and mine are too far apart.
 
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allvol123 said:
No fan of Bush. But these constant "the sky has fallen" with Bush as president are comical. Your definition of disaster and mine are too far apart.
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No fan of Bush that is funny you say that too bad most of your posts tell a much different story.
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