Can't coach speed

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What would 50% of the posters on VN post about if not for Dooley, Hurd, Butch? They would be at a complete loss.
 
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As for Kamara, I don't think he was one of our fastest guys last year really. What he had that made him dangerous was explosion, acceleration, and agility.


Put him on a track against track guys and he might not impress. But put him on a gridiron where he has to make defenders miss and get to his top speed quickly out of multiple cuts and he'll shame most track guys.
 
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Titans4Vols said:
For a guy his size, yes.

4.4 is not elite overall. Good, not elite.
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Don't care about any of that. Malone was a big time deep threat. To date, no other WR has proven to be the deep threat that Malone was last year. Better find one. To be successful, you have to hit big plays and be able to stretch the defense to keep the safeties out of the running game.

A 40 time is not important if the WR can't get off the line of scrimmage and keep from getting knocked off their route.
 
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Think of where we were 5- 6 years ago, Remember guys like Brewer standing in mud while RB's and WR's blew by them. Now we are arguing about 4.4 speed. Good stuff!
 
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If Dooley came at me with a bar of soap and wanting to talk shower protocol, I would speed up much more than usual in the opposite direction.
 
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The Artful Dodger said:
Wiggins will be our fastest corner.
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I hope so. I believe our secondary will be better this season with addition of Wiggins. Most season of last year we didn't have Sutton and Foreman healthy most of last year. And our younger guys will be a year ahead
 
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Witch_Doctor said:
Witch Doctor smell other Butch Jones poll coming......

"Since we dont have a coach that can coach speed...who would your choice be ?"


sigh

BNL
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WiseOlVol said:
John Kelly clocked at 22 mph last year.

http://tennessee.247sports.com/Arti...in-Tennessee-Vols-football-backfield-44574915
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If the picture in the article is representative, the GPS timing took place while players were practicing in shells.

I wonder if this is the only way/time that UT's staff examines and records speed? Or maybe it's all digitized so that each player's file is auto-updated, profiled, then compared against his prevous practices as well as other players at his poisition?
 
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vol-un-tear said:
Think of where we were 5- 6 years ago, Remember guys like Brewer standing in mud while RB's and WR's blew by them. Now we are arguing about 4.4 speed. Good stuff!
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Agreed. Thank you for the reminder-breath-of-reality that we all need to reflect on occasionally.
 
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OK, everybody put their 40 time in their post so we can compare. I'm just under 30 seconds.
 
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Speed is countered by alignment/positioning, reads, and timing, all of which can be coached. It seems to me that we often have the right athletes on the field but they're in the wrong place. The question in those situations is whether the players aren't doing what they were coached to do or whether they were coached wrong. It's usually fairly obvious based on reactions after the play.
 
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kentucky sucks said:
Imagine the difference he would've made sitting on the bench behind Kamara year before last. He could've really helped the team.
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If I am going to delve into imagination, I would rather think of who we could have gotten instead. I remember how impressive that haul of HS and Juco talent brought in. Look at how many left or were busts.

What burns me anytime somebody bring him up is the high regard I had for him this time last year. And I was one who called the people discussing rumors and doubts about him crazy. Not because I thought they were crazy, but because I hoped they were.
 
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Titans4Vols said:
For a guy his size, yes.

4.4 is not elite overall. Good, not elite.
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4.4 is absolutely elite for a football player. Only on a track vs track athletes is it not elite. Versus 99.99% of the living population, 4.40 is elite speed.
 
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KBVol said:
4.4 is absolutely elite for a football player. Only on a track vs track athletes is it not elite. Versus 99.99% of the living population, 4.40 is elite speed.
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Exactly KB. You don't see too many Chinese or Indian citizens lining up in the blocks for the 100 meter semis in the Olympics, both nations of over a billion people. Although China did produce one world class hurdler a few years ago.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
As for Kamara, I don't think he was one of our fastest guys last year really. What he had that made him dangerous was explosion, acceleration, and agility.


Put him on a track against track guys and he might not impress. But put him on a gridiron where he has to make defenders miss and get to his top speed quickly out of multiple cuts and he'll shame most track guys.
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Yeah and I would add lateral quickness and vision to your list for Kamara too. I think it's easy to get caught up in "speed" at the RB position when it's usually not the most important issue. Kinda like a pitcher in baseball...speed in the upper 90's is nice but pitching abilities/off speed pitches are more important....
 
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Titans4Vols said:
Except Malone and Kamara aren't extremely fast. Malone is fast for his size, but he wasn't burning past many corners in the SEC.

And Kamara is just average(for a running back), if that, in regards to speed. Kamara is good because he's agile/ has really good change of direction, most RBs having to come to a near full stop to pull off a cut, he just keeps going at the same speed. But his 4.56 straight line speed scares no one.
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You may be underestimating Malone, I think he was one of the fastest receivers in the SEC last year, hence his 3rd round NFL draft position.....Malone was indeed fast!
 
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