Can you teach a QB touch???

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DickeyD said:
Is this teachable? I don't know but I would have set up some kind of high bar in practice for him to throw up and over to help him with this issue. I guess a lot of drop shot practicing??? into buckets or something from multiple distances??
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Well it doesn’t appear that Milton is willing to change his game for anyone. He been around two pretty good QB coaches and still same old ****!
 
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I THINK I could actually teach Milton some touch. I'd just have Him throw screens lying on his back for 60 minutes every day.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Milton will just always throw the ball too damn hard. No way around it. Sometimes even if it's on target it will be dropped. The coaches will probably stick with him though, the way the other staff did with JG because he is good in "practice".
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Coaches are enamored by that 80 Yards in the air thing. (never mind nobody caught it)
 
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coaches get paid to do what we are doing! It's safe to assume that they are on top of this! If we can dream it up, they should be ahead of all of us! Saturday's game is going to be very revealing as to what the staff feels about going forward this season! I think there may be a surprise or two! HIGH HOPES!
 
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DickeyD said:
Is this teachable? I don't know but I would have set up some kind of high bar in practice for him to throw up and over to help him with this issue. I guess a lot of drop shot practicing??? into buckets or something from multiple distances??
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YES at highschool. If you don"t have it your third year in college than hang it up. Just like if you can"t take a snap under center than you're not playing pro ball. Tennessee is the only team I've ever heard or seen on fourth and inches we are in the shotgun. First it was Butch now its Josh. It should be mandatory at any UT hire on day one the AD should make sure the offensive guru take at least five snaps under center at every practice . If I was the coach at Alabama, Florida or any school I would tell recruits if you are a QB don't go to UT because in the pros you have to go under center and Tennessee doesn't practice that enough. Our coach is a joke!
 
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DickeyD said:
Is this teachable? I don't know but I would have set up some kind of high bar in practice for him to throw up and over to help him with this issue. I guess a lot of drop shot practicing??? into buckets or something from multiple distances??
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No. When it comes to completing long passes, Milton is closer to getting an intentional grounding call than he is a completion.
 
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Good gosh if you have grown up in football for your whole life- and now a 5th year senior and you have no touch? you ain't gonna find it all the sudden-
 
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It’s not even just touch. Is the ability to manage the game. Is understanding the protections. It’s know where all your receivers are and knowing where the throwing zones/lanes are going to be. It’s getting the ball out on time and accurately. It’s putting air under the ball at times and throwing the receiver open. At other times it’s knowing you have a tight window and gm have to gun the ball in there. It’s looking off the receiver you’re going to to prevent the safety from undercutting the pass. Those are all the things a great qb does. Amd here’s the problem…you can’t determine if a qb is going to efficiently do a lot of those things from how they handle drills in practice. You have to let a kid get 50+ game reps to start to see if those traits are there. Unfortunately, so often coaches seem to focus on a QBs height or arm strength.
To answer the question…the ide that a 4th year college plays is all of the sudden going to become good at all the traits listed above is ludicrous. Milton is what he is at this point.
 
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ru4real-really? said:
coaches get paid to do what we are doing! It's safe to assume that they are on top of this! If we can dream it up, they should be ahead of all of us! Saturday's game is going to be very revealing as to what the staff feels about going forward this season! I think there may be a surprise or two! HIGH HOPES!
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Same coaches that went shotgun and handed the ball off 4 yards behind the line on scrimmage on the 1 yardline.
 
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I went bowling with my girlfriend this week. She is not good at bowling, not that I am good but I am just not terrible. She decided to try and beat me with the bumpers up for her for laughs. She bowled at least twice as good as without the bumpers and wasn’t even hitting them.
Some people just do better with the safety net down or the bumpers up, and practice warrior QBs like JG or Milton seem to be that type.
 
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ru4real-really? said:
coaches get paid to do what we are doing! It's safe to assume that they are on top of this! If we can dream it up, they should be ahead of all of us! Saturday's game is going to be very revealing as to what the staff feels about going forward this season! I think there may be a surprise or two! HIGH HOPES!
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Same coaches that went shotgun and handed the ball off 4 yards behind the line on scrimmage on 1 yardline.
 
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1SmokinVol said:
Good gosh if you have grown up in football for your whole life- and now a 5th year senior and you have no touch? you ain't gonna find it all the sudden-
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Honest truth most athletic black QB's from peewee, middle to high school they do more running of the ball, short passes and their team has winning records and that's all their coaches care about, the wins. That's why you see many once they go to college playing some other position.
 
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QBs with bigger arms have to work harder for this. However, it can be taught through drills. That’s why you see the trash can drill where a QB works on making it in the trash can in the corner of the end zone. It requires touch. Often finishing the throw with more wrist at the end helps. Some have this issue because they are not getting shoulders angled and throwing it too flat or “on a line”. Angle doesn’t seem to be Milton’s issue. He was a big arm that he has to work to tame.
 
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sechamp2012 said:
That ( % expectations)changes almost every play, if a WR is 5-10 yards past a DB it should be 90+% , if a receiver is covered it should be 50/50 like the jump balls that JG completed vs Auburn, That's why they call it 50/50. There's a variable there too, do you have taller and more aggressive WR's, It's not as simple as it should be a determined % JMO.
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Interesting. What brought this to mind is I have been noticing a lot of overthrows of wide open receivers in other games (Josh Allen in the Bills-Steelers game and Daniel Jones in the NY game last night are two of the latest from NFL Qbs) and it got me to thinking what a realistic percentage should be. Your expectation is high. Others might have a lower expectation. I'm going to research this some to satisfy my curiosity on what historical completion percentages are for Qbs on these type plays. Thanks for your input.
 
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Jaws said:
Let’s just review the facts (stats) so that we can remove both of our opinions:


Take out Tenn Martin in 2019 and he had 3 td passes and 3 interceptions for the year and his completion percentage in 2018 was only 58% - He did improve as a qb - i guess my memory primarily was dictated by how bad he was in 2017
And you mentioned he improved “mostly at Arkansas.” He played well at Arkansas too, but his 2018 season at Florida was easily better in completions, yards, TD’s and wins. Of course he did - look at his supporting cast at the two schools - night meet day
he should have won the Heisman for taking Arky from beyond terrible to decent. He really played great at Arkansas - he largely was their offense.

Lastly, regarding the “controversy” of Trask sitting behind Franks, you don’t know the facts to that situation either. When Mullen arrived at Florida, Trask was coming off hand surgery. Franks was coming off a full season playing in the SEC, albeit playing terribly. Franks won the starting job over Trask before the 2018 season. As the 2018 season progressed, and Trask was fully-recovered and started coming on and showing potential, he then broke his foot midway through the season. That affected his remaining 2018 and into 2019 season. He was ready by the fall of 2019 but at that point it was close enough to go with the guy who had started 2 full SEC seasons vs a guy who had been injury prone and hadn’t started a game since 9th grade. There’s no controversy, both Franks and Trask add to the Mullen portfolio as success stories. Thanks Mrs. Mullen - but you and your hubby have other issues - between your weird behavior around the players and hubby's gay dancing on the sidelines - ( not that there's anything wrong with that ) They’re both on NFL rosters. Franks was 13-3 under Mullen, Trask was 16-6. Where’s the “controversy?” 😂
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I guess not so much a controversy - as Trask had better vision in the pocket, worked through his progressions better and in my opinion was a more accurate passer and thus a better qb than Franks. He would have likely never played at Florida had Frank's not been injured.

Shouldn't you be on the Florida board weighing in on their qb controversy ?
 
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Deon Grant was on a talk radio show earlier and said sometimes he can’t watch the games because he gets so frustrated from the lack of simple fundamental things. He said he thought we were about to turn the corner against Pitt but end up losing again. You could notice the frustration in his voice when talking about it. Sucks to lose that game.
 
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😂😂 Watching the Penn State Auburn game and I believe Milton has caught some breaks. Penn State qb over threw his receiver like like 30 yards on a busted route that receiver clearly was confused as he broke off route. But refs flagged qb for intentional grounding. I have never seen it called like that and all I could think is Joe Milton could be flagged every play for that. Lol
 
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NATHAN05 said:
This is my thought.........when the lights come on they cant perform........Heupel better figure it out real quick because Volnation has little to no fuse left and they will turn on him quickly. Certainly quicker than our last 3 coaches. We've seen this song and dance before.
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You are absolutely right, we have had it with dumb ass coaches and I think Heupel will be finding that out real soon!
 
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ru4real-really? said:
coaches get paid to do what we are doing! It's safe to assume that they are on top of this! If we can dream it up, they should be ahead of all of us! Saturday's game is going to be very revealing as to what the staff feels about going forward this season! I think there may be a surprise or two! HIGH HOPES!
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Just saying I'm pretty tired of the argument we're paying coaches great money and they know what they're doing. No they don't. My evidence is Pruitt, Jones, and Dooley all paid great money and were gigantic doofuses as head coaches that knew not what they were doing.
 
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