Can we just talk about the fact that we we've been lied to?

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preacherrandy said:
I would say Butch is the Danica Patrick of football (Fake intensity, saying all the right things but just keeps going in circles. Never getting out of mid pack) except I don't won't to offend Danica.
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Except Butch never says the right things because no one knows what he says. Especially his players.
 
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Folks were begging for him every time Dobbs had a bad game. Well here he is and now he’s garbage.
 
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Let me see if I get this right -

- When the offense works, it's because of the players.
- When the offense does not work, it's because of the coaches.

Coaches must never get any credit. Execution by the players is never to blame.

And anything that goes wrong - the coach lied.

So what are you going to say when the coach of your dreams is coaching and the team loses a game?
 
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Here's my take on this which isn't worth much....When Jones decided between Worley and Dobbs in this offense, he took Worley. It didnt make much sense then either because the read option offense he runs is entirely based (much like other schools he coached at) on having a mobile QB who will keep the ball.

However, since Jones was trying to instill a "family" mentality at Tennessee, he sacrificed losses for "team" gains to leverage the family mentality into recruiting. It was simply a lucky break that Worley got hurt so Dobbs could come in.


Looking at those 2 years Dobbs played, much of the offense came from when plays broke down, rather than having an offense that worked. Now, you have another QB battle this year between a recruit that fits the system (guarantano) with his mobility, and a QB (Dormady) that doesn't fit the system but came to UT being told (to gain recruits with 4 star or higher) that he would start as the elder player and they would develop the offense around him by bringing in a new OC.

Dormady is from Texas, where spread offenses and run and gun are the high school offenses that keep a pocket style QB busy without having to run. Now why would that guy bypass all of the offers he had from Texas schools to come to UT in a read option offense if he wasn't told something else? JG is not the answer with his arm or him mental ability.

But good lord, if we are not going to change this offense under Jones, I would rather sacrifice losing games to a read option QB that gives us some upside in this particular offense and with some ability to move the ball rather than lose every game because we can't.

Butch Jones stubborn attitude toward keeping his offense in place no matter that talent, rather than developing in coordination with new OC's is killing UT.
 
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I've been run down, I've been lied to. I don't know why I let mean ole Butchy play me for a fool.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Let me see if I get this right -

- When the offense works, it's because of the players.
- When the offense does not work, it's because of the coaches.

Coaches must never get any credit. Execution by the players is never to blame.

And anything that goes wrong - the coach lied.

So what are you going to say when the coach of your dreams is coaching and the team loses a game?
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Dobbs had the ability to escape pressure and take off......more than likely something you can't coach. This yrs qbs looks like they have never practiced
 
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volfan102455 said:
Let me see if I get this right -

- When the offense works, it's because of the players.
- When the offense does not work, it's because of the coaches.

Coaches must never get any credit. Execution by the players is never to blame.

And anything that goes wrong - the coach lied.

So what are you going to say when the coach of your dreams is coaching and the team loses a game?
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Did he goose egg at Neyland?
Did he take credit for the loss?
What team did he lose to?
 
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The longer he is here the worse I feel toward him. I wish he would renegotiate his buyout and just resign today. He did a lot to help this program but the longer he stays, that equity is being liquidated rapidly.
 
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TAF said:
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Dude went from band member to making 4.5 Mill a year...

Wish I was a life champion!!
 
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jbr82 said:
Dobbs had the ability to escape pressure and take off......more than likely something you can't coach. This yrs qbs looks like they have never practiced
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So then UGA is winning because they have that type of QB. Same could be said of Hurts at Alabama, though by now he has been coached to make better decisions.

The truth is that the natural ability of a QB to do things that a college coach doesn't have to teach him is what makes a QB (like Dobbs, Fromm, Hurt, etc.) look good from day 1. Obviously makes a coaches job much easier.

Neither QD or JG seem to have that, which is not meant to be negative on them - because with a good offensive line, a good understanding of the game and good decisions they can still excel. It's just that they will not excel day 1 due to natural ability like Dobbs had.
 
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There is a portion of the fan base that needs to realize that JG is not and will never be Josh Dobbs.

Folks need to let these two young men, grow into who they are and stop trying to make them into something they are not.

Get behind them, support them rather than pitting them against each other.
 
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I simply can't believe that a guy with his ineptitude can earn $4.5M annually.

Unless you have an unbelievable drive to win (Harbaugh) or create a legacy (Saban), that much money year in and year out makes you complacent.

At some point, any normal person whose already banked $20M+ (with another $12M on the way), will say "Screw it; fire me I don't care. I'll go coach at some no where Div III school as a very rich man and have a lot more fun". I think that is exactly where CBJ is right now and similar thoughts that Doolander had when he went to Dallas.

There is simply toooooo much $ in sports. The law of unintended consequences (coaching apathy, "panic" hires which result in mediocrity, etc.) has and will continue to occur - at the fans expense.
 
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On top of too much money in sports, coaches' buyouts are absolutely idiotic. Being guaranteed millions even after being fired for not performing up to expectations and delivering poor results is fundamentally flawed.
 
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dcibrando said:
He and JG are most likely much better than they have shown. It takes a coach and development of players for it to work
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Agreed. If either player leaves the program watch them to excel at any school worth a damn at player development.
 
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ZombVol said:
How many times were we told by this coaching staff over and over the past few years how mobile Dormady is? How he fits Butch Jones system just great, if not better than Dobbs. And that everything would be fine when Dobbs left and Dormady was next in line? Has anybody seen any ounce of mobility or flashiness from Dormady?

This is another problem with our coaching staff. Butch will not adjust his offense to let Dormady even have a shot at being "decent."

I'm ready to see this again: :loco:
And less of this : :crazy:
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When the success of your "system" depends on having a QB run for his life on about half the plays... maybe it isn't the QB who's the problem?

Dobbs never developed into a good passer. He was average. But he was uniquely gifted running the ball. That allowed him to bail Jones' system out. Otherwise... Jones is probably already gone.
 
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utvols74 said:
I simply can't believe that a guy with his ineptitude can earn $4.5M annually.

Unless you have an unbelievable drive to win (Harbaugh) or create a legacy (Saban), that much money year in and year out makes you complacent.

At some point, any normal person whose already banked $20M+ (with another $12M on the way), will say "Screw it; fire me I don't care. I'll go coach at some no where Div III school as a very rich man and have a lot more fun". I think that is exactly where CBJ is right now and similar thoughts that Doolander had when he went to Dallas.

There is simply toooooo much $ in sports. The law of unintended consequences (coaching apathy, "panic" hires which result in mediocrity, etc.) has and will continue to occur - at the fans expense.
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You have never worked for the government, have you?
 
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ZombVol said:
How many times were we told by this coaching staff over and over the past few years how mobile Dormady is? How he fits Butch Jones system just great, if not better than Dobbs. And that everything would be fine when Dobbs left and Dormady was next in line? Has anybody seen any ounce of mobility or flashiness from Dormady?

This is another problem with our coaching staff. Butch will not adjust his offense to let Dormady even have a shot at being "decent."

I'm ready to see this again: :loco:
And less of this : :crazy:
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The offense has been adjusted to Dormady. If yo ucan't tell the offense looks different and play calling is different then you aren't watching the same game.

The problem is Dormady isn't that great of a QB to begin with. He was over rated and over hyped. Right now he isn't a better passer than Dobbs and probably never will be at UT!
 
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johnrlansford said:
The offense has been adjusted to Dormady. If yo ucan't tell the offense looks different and play calling is different then you aren't watching the same game.

The problem is Dormady isn't that great of a QB to begin with. He was over rated and over hyped. Right now he isn't a better passer than Dobbs and probably never will be at UT!
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Right... that's why JG has looked so great when he's been in. Couldn't be that neither guy has a chance due to the mistakes and poor play of the guys around them... It MUST be ALL on Dormady.... then you have to ignore that he's actually managed the situation BETTER than JG.

By now if you are still ignorant... it is willful ignorance.
 
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dono said:
Butch's offense is fooling exactly nobody. The players know that; ergo, just going through the motions in many instances.
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He's predictable and on top of that limited. One player knew that last year, J.Hurd. Just pound and pound away behind an ineffective OL get's old quick. I'm not defending the guy but the same ole,same ole with no results wears on our offensive players. They aren't playing with confidence. When opposing defenses key on Kelly and stop him we're behind the chains and they quickly sniff out our screens, draws because that's all we do. Seeing it as a fan get's old and I feel it impacts players the same. I could live with QD's limited footwork but being inaccurate at the same time is unbearable.
 
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