Can We All Agree That 2012

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DjCrenshaw said:
In order to be good in 2012, UT has to win 2-3 of the games against top sec talent. I think it would help in our recruiting this year, and give the Vols the confidence they will need for a 2012 season. UT has got to learn how to win a big game this year.
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This is exactly right. Success will breed success. If we can sneak up on a couple of good SEC foes this year (big if) and win all the games we're supposed to, it will serve as tremendous momentum going into the recruiting season for 2012. I will continue to keep saying it. Recruiting will be the tell tale of this staff's success. I firmly believe that CDD is doing all of the other things right and he and his staff will put the players we have in the absolute BEST position to compete with upper echelon teams. BUT you have to have the horses if you're going to win your lion's share of games. To win the battles in Sept-Nov you have to win the battle in February. CDD NEEDS a signature win this coming season, preferably against 'Bama or Florida.
 
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hallowed_hill said:
This kind of talk is asinine. An insanely talented and well-coached Alabama team lost 3 games last year. I'm excited about 2012 as well and think we have a chance to be a great team, but we still play in the toughest league in the land. Putting all our eggs in the 2012 basket is just dumb.
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You are dumb.
 
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tvolsfan said:
If our talent level is in line with the rest of the good teams in the SEC and we're thinking about 8 win seasons, the fan base is hopeless.
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I think what he is saying is that with the talent levels, 8 and 9 wins would be expected due to the league we play in (Bama 9, Florida 8, Carolina won east with 9 for example). At that point, your team is at a talent level where they might have a Auburn type year if breaks fall their way and win the league. But normally from year to year SEC teams are looking at 8 or 9 win season depending on OOC schedules. Some years, one or two teams are going to bust the 11 or 12 win mark again depending on OOC. Tennessee will be in a position to maybe do that every few years.

I think domination in this league by one or two schools year after year is over. Be many years before we see that again, if ever.
 
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LWSVOL said:
I think what he is saying is that with the talent levels, 8 and 9 wins would be expected due to the league we play in (Bama 9, Florida 8, Carolina won east with 9 for example). At that point, your team is at a talent level where they might have a Auburn type year if breaks fall their way and win the league. But normally from year to year SEC teams are looking at 8 or 9 win season depending on OOC schedules. Some years, one or two teams are going to bust the 11 or 12 win mark again depending on OOC. Tennessee will be in a position to maybe do that every few years.I think domination in this league by one or two schools year after year is over. Be many years before we see that again, if ever.
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I hope coach Dooley will get Tennessee to "maybe" do that every year.Not saying do it every year but be in position and capeable of doing it every year.

As far as domination...I agree.I dont think one team is going to "rule the roost" for more than a year or two either.

Question...what do you think caused that?
 
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#105
I think our 2012 schedule should look like this:

Sat. 09/01/12 NC State @ GA Dome
Sat. 09/08/12 Bye Week or Weak OOC Team*
Sat. 09/15/12 Florida
Sat. 09/22/12 Bye Week or Weak OOC Team*
Sat. 09/29/12 Bye Week or Weak OOC Team*
Sat. 10/06/12 at Georgia
Sat. 10/13/12 Arkansas/Mississippi State*
Sat. 10/20/12 Alabama or at South Carolina*
Sat. 10/27/12 Alabama or at South Carolina*
Sat. 11/03/12 Troy
Sat. 11/10/12 Arkansas/Mississippi State*
Sat. 11/17/12 at Vanderbilt
Sat. 11/24/12 Kentucky

* - Projected Date for Game by UTC Vol Fan

We goto Oregon in 2013, so those projecting that to be our year may need to keep that in mind although we will be much improved and should have a lot leadership from Seniors and Juniors.
 
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gnm53108 said:
I hope coach Dooley will get Tennessee to "maybe" do that every year.Not saying do it every year but be in position and capeable of doing it every year.

As far as domination...I agree.I dont think one team is going to "rule the roost" for more than a year or two either.

Question...what do you think caused that?
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better coaches being hired throughout conference and getting the permier kids in state to stay at their place. Kids now want to come play in the SEC but those teams with great numbers of instate players that can playa t this level, have the upper hand.

I heard today that Stevenson in Stone Mountain Ga has 14 D-1 players on that team. Not sure our state has that many in entire state
 
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#108
gnm53108 said:
I hope coach Dooley will get Tennessee to "maybe" do that every year.Not saying do it every year but be in position and capeable of doing it every year.

As far as domination...I agree.I dont think one team is going to "rule the roost" for more than a year or two either.

Question...what do you think caused that?
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I think if you are an SEC team that is competing and winning 8-9 game level, than your team is in a position to "maybe" do it every year. But you won't because breaks go against you, see LSU and NC games last year in our case.
 
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LWSVOL said:
I think what he is saying is that with the talent levels, 8 and 9 wins would be expected due to the league we play in (Bama 9, Florida 8, Carolina won east with 9 for example). At that point, your team is at a talent level where they might have a Auburn type year if breaks fall their way and win the league. But normally from year to year SEC teams are looking at 8 or 9 win season depending on OOC schedules. Some years, one or two teams are going to bust the 11 or 12 win mark again depending on OOC. Tennessee will be in a position to maybe do that every few years.

I think domination in this league by one or two schools year after year is over. Be many years before we see that again, if ever.
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I agree with most of it, but if our talent level is back where it belongs, 8-4 means we went about 2-4 in SEC games not against Vanderbilt and Kentucky. By any standards, 8 seems to be a low goal.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I agree with most of it, but if our talent level is back where it belongs, 8-4 means we went about 2-4 in SEC games not against Vanderbilt and Kentucky. By any standards, 8 seems to be a low goal.
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I'm not speaking of that as a goal. THe goal is to win them all. Coaches, players, arministration and fans all have that as a goal.

I'm speaking of reality. its the conference we play in

Conference records for 2010

Carolina 5-3
Florida 4-4
Georgia 3-5
Tennessee 3-5

West

Bama 5-3
Auburn 8-0
Arkansas 6-2
LSU 6-2
MSU 4-4

one team can have magic and run table. I think more likely we see both divisions being won with 5-3 or 6-2 records in future rather than tables being run
 
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LWSVOL said:
better coaches being hired throughout conference and getting the permier kids in state to stay at their place. Kids now want to come play in the SEC but those teams with great numbers of instate players that can playa t this level, have the upper hand.

I heard today that Stevenson in Stone Mountain Ga has 14 D-1 players on that team. Not sure our state has that many in entire state
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Sounds like these tv contracts we've signed has "PAID" off.It's given our universities more money to hire coaches and improve facilities...and of course given us more national exposure.

There's other conferences that have also signed monster tv deals now too....may even things back out in a few years.
 
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gnm53108 said:
Sounds like these tv contracts we've signed has "PAID" off.It's given our universities more money to hire coaches and improve facilities...and of course given us more national exposure.

There's other conferences that have also signed monster tv deals now too....may even things back out in a few years.
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your right on that last part. See if those other conferences can start holding some of the talent. Meyer did a super job of getting elite players from up the east coast to supplement all the talent he kept home. Muschamp will need to keep that up because Jimbo and Golden are going to start getting more of those Florida kids than those schools have lately.
 
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LWSVOL said:
I'm speaking of reality.
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Most of the SEC had more than 8 wins last year. 8 wins should get a coach on the hot seat.

edit: Before anyone freaks out, I want to make it clear I certainly don't think Dooley should be on the hot seat with an 8-4 season this year. I'm talking about when we have a normal roster and aren't in the process of rebuilding.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Most of the SEC had more than 8 wins last year. 8 wins should get a coach on the hot seat.

edit: Before anyone freaks out, I want to make it clear I certainly don't think Dooley should be on the hot seat with an 8-4 season this year. I'm talking about when we have a normal roster and aren't in the process of rebuilding.
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I suspect that is the case most years that a majority has 8 or more wins. Majority of the teams schedule halfway to 8 with soft OOC schedule.
 
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Team is going to be loaded with two and three year starters and the depth should be there by then. Eight wins will be a disappointment.
 
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chavisut said:
Team is going to be loaded with two and three year starters and the depth should be there by then. Eight wins will be a disappointment.
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you may be right. I think this is where we are in relation to how things went historically. Certainly, we have a different staff and things are different so it may move faster but looking at history here is how I relate year to year:

2008 was 1976 (6-5 in Battle's last year)
2009 was 1977 (4-7 in Majors first year)
2010 was 1978 (5-5-1)
2011 is 1979 (7-5)
2012 is 1980 (5-6)
2013 is 1981 (8-4)
2014 is 1982 (6-5-1)
2015 is 1983 (9-3)
2016 is 1984 (7-4-1)
2017 is 1985 (9-1-2 and an SEC title. Thanks to Fla probation)

Now, I sure hope UT can recover better than we did during that timeframe. My concern is, the league is MUCH harder than it was back then. Much harder. SO the ups and downs in record the next several years would not shock or surprise me.

Not making a prediction just providing a visual and some commentary. No one, me included, has any idea how the next 5-6 years will go..

Again, I hope we recover much quicker. I just feel it will be at least as difficult if not more so.
 
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LWSVOL said:
you may be right. I think this is where we are in relation to how things went historically. Certainly, we have a different staff and things are different so it may move faster but looking at history here is how I relate year to year:

2008 was 1976 (6-5 in Battle's last year)
2009 was 1977 (4-7 in Majors first year)
2010 was 1978 (5-5-1)
2011 is 1979 (7-5)
2012 is 1980 (5-6)
2013 is 1981 (8-4)
2014 is 1982 (6-5-1)
2015 is 1983 (9-3)
2016 is 1984 (7-4-1)
2017 is 1985 (9-1-2 and an SEC title. Thanks to Fla probation)

Now, I sure hope UT can recover better than we did during that timeframe. My concern is, the league is MUCH harder than it was back then. Much harder. SO the ups and downs in record the next several years would not shock or surprise me.

Not making a prediction just providing a visual and some commentary. No one, me included, has any idea how the next 5-6 years will go..

Again, I hope we recover much quicker. I just feel it will be at least as difficult if not more so.
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Did Bill Battle leave the team with as much young talent?

And if it played out like that, Dooley wouldn't make it to year 4.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Did Bill Battle leave the team with as much young talent?

And if it played out like that, Dooley wouldn't make it to year 4.
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I think the talent that Dooley got when he arrived, was ever bit as poor as the talent Majors got. Might have been worse even but was at least as poor.
 
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tvolsfan said:
3-1 OOC, 5-3 in conference, and a crappy bowl win would get you 9.
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yep. that is my point.. 8 and 9 wins could easily be the norm for several teams in conference.. could start coaching changes every 4-5 years at several schools..
 
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LWSVOL said:
I think the talent that Dooley got when he arrived, was ever bit as poor as the talent Majors got. Might have been worse even but was at least as poor.
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I'm to young to remember what Majors got, but I find it hard to believe what Dooley inherited was as bad in the freshman and sophomore classes. Depth and mediocre juniors and seniors may have made winning early impossible, but there's no reason we should really be bad in 2012 and 2013.

And anyways, I don't really know if Majors should have gotten so long, but again, I don't remember.
 
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LWSVOL said:
yep. that is my point.. 8 and 9 wins could easily be the norm for several teams in conference.. could start coaching changes every 4-5 years at several schools..
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That's why 'thinking about 8 wins' was a sad statement. It should start coaching changes here.
 
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