Can Vols ever overcome Bamas built in advantage?

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Vfl2407 said:
Interesting conversation today on Swain and yesterday on Basilio. *note- I know many of you don't like them- but I much prefer Wvlz to the boring sports animal.*


Anyway, here's what they were asserting:

Steve Shaw - head of officials is a biased Bama grad.

There is evidence that Bama gets officiating breaks (see today's Basilio blog citing Auburn researched materials).

Having the SEC office in Birmingham is a big advantage for Bama because all of the conference employees and their families live in this pro Bama environment which is bound to rub off.

The Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, and state of Alabama media is all in the tank for Bama. E.g. They rarely report anything negative about Alabama football and certainly do not do any investigative digging. Compare this to the Knoxville and Nashville media which many see as hostile to the Vols.

Local and state police and legal authorities in the state of Alabama are in the tank for Bama. These people are Bama fans and know that all of their constituents are.
Compare this to Knoxville and state of Tenn police and judges. Do they ever "look the other way"?

The University of Alabama educational hierarchy fully cooperates with Coach Saban. If there is a player that is "borderline" academically, the school will find a way to get him in. Same thing with any drug or disciplinary problems.
The school will cover up these problems.
That does not happen with UT's administration.

Bottom Line: University of Alabama football is THE BIGGEST AND MOST IMPORTANT thing in the state of Alabama and the entire state infrastructure buys in.
That is not the case in the state of Tennessee and UT.
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UT Football is the biggest thing in Tennessee, next to Dolly Parton's breasts.
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
You mean like recently when a university's administration got out of a mavericks way with Pete Carrol at USC.

Yes, that would be awesome if Saban leaves, the NCAA sanctions them loss of scholarships and vacated wins.

That would be very good for them and their fans.

There is a Chance.
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How do you correlate Saban & Carroll? Through Lane Kiffin? Not too sure about that one. Saban is not a maverick. Pete wasn't one at USC in my opinion either.
 
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We could pay some other schools to hire him away. Until he retires or goes somewhere else the whole conference will be playing catch up.
 
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ScornedPapaVol said:
How do you correlate Saban & Carroll? Through Lane Kiffin? Not too sure about that one. Saban is not a maverick. Pete wasn't one at USC in my opinion either.
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Not trying to correlate it so much as hope for a similar situation to happen again.

Other than leaving coveted NFL positions and being given more autonomy and leeway to run their respective programs to their preference than other coaches might receive and then restoring those storied programs to preeminent status while winning multiple NC's I admit its a stretch to call Saban & Carroll similar as they have polar opposite styles.

Saban is pretty militant and controlling while Carroll's was a pretty relaxed wide open program.

I believe Carroll's relaxed wide open atmosphere leaves him with a degree of culpability after the whole R. Bush fiasco. That probably had nothing to do with Carroll leaving for Seattle however. Ensuring sanctions loss of scholarships etc. ..


I'd love the idea of Saban leaving for Texas(or anywhere).
I have no idea what the fall out of the Bo Davis potential recruiting infractions and salary received NCAA investigation will be. Nor do I have any idea if Saban will have any personal culpability other than HC is ultimately always responsible.

There is no correlation. Just allot of potential similarity I would find hysterical! !

Just having fun with an absurd fantasy on a pretty absurd thread.

I reached too far.
 
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ScornedPapaVol said:
How do you correlate Saban & Carroll? Through Lane Kiffin? Not too sure about that one. Saban is not a maverick. Pete wasn't one at USC in my opinion either.
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Neither is a Maverick?

Pete Carroll is in pretty elite company having won college NC's and a Superbowl.

Saban has won multiple NC's and won a NC at two different schools.

What the hell do you have to do to become a Maverick?
 
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Vfl2407 said:
Interesting conversation today on Swain and yesterday on Basilio. *note- I know many of you don't like them- but I much prefer Wvlz to the boring sports animal.*


Anyway, here's what they were asserting:

Steve Shaw - head of officials is a biased Bama grad.

There is evidence that Bama gets officiating breaks (see today's Basilio blog citing Auburn researched materials).

Having the SEC office in Birmingham is a big advantage for Bama because all of the conference employees and their families live in this pro Bama environment which is bound to rub off.

The Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, and state of Alabama media is all in the tank for Bama. E.g. They rarely report anything negative about Alabama football and certainly do not do any investigative digging. Compare this to the Knoxville and Nashville media which many see as hostile to the Vols.

Local and state police and legal authorities in the state of Alabama are in the tank for Bama. These people are Bama fans and know that all of their constituents are.
Compare this to Knoxville and state of Tenn police and judges. Do they ever "look the other way"?

The University of Alabama educational hierarchy fully cooperates with Coach Saban. If there is a player that is "borderline" academically, the school will find a way to get him in. Same thing with any drug or disciplinary problems.
The school will cover up these problems.
That does not happen with UT's administration.

Bottom Line: University of Alabama football is THE BIGGEST AND MOST IMPORTANT thing in the state of Alabama and the entire state infrastructure buys in.
That is not the case in the state of Tennessee and UT.
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And it never will be.
 
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Nick could burn out and move on at any time. I would say 3 years max until he retires. This is a cycle that has to be ridden out like the Paul Bryant era. Don't obsess over it and appreciate Butch and his staff getting the Vols competitive again. Tennessee was on the bottom of the sec not that long ago.

I think the vols might compete this year in a rematch with Bama far better than fans think possible.
 
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Tidebacker said:
Just so y'all know Alabama is currently ranked #62 in the country for penalties. So anyone saying Bama gets by with everything needs to check some facts. One of the most penalized teams in the SEC. So I'm dropping the mic. We win, so we have to be cheating??? That's funny.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/penalties-per-game
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I can't even IMAGINE going to an opposing schools site and reading much less posting.,,surely you've got other things in your life???
 
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#193
The Bama machine will falter. All programs have ups and downs. When Saben leaves their program will be tested. Bama fans are spoiled and expect to win them all. If the next coach looses just a couple of games a year the fans will turn on him. Next thing you know Bama has hired and fired a few big name coaches. They hire the third coach while still paying millions each year to the first two. Donors get pissed at the AD and stop giving. Next the NCAA shows up asking about the cars players are driving. Investigation sanctions death sprille. Keeping a program on a role is harder than getting on a role. The bigger the The bigger and more successful the program the greater the difficulty in keeping it on top.
I do feel Bama gets the close calls in games. TN seemed to get a few when we were on top. No conference wants to take down their highest ranked team. The SEC officials living in Birmingham may be biased towards Bama but once Bama is out of the championship picture it won't matter.
After enough years of loosing donors and fans moderate and accept program improvement in place of championships and the program begins to heal itself. This is where UT is. Happy showing progress moving towards championships.
 
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bamawriter said:
I say this with all sincerity, so please don't read it as sarcasm:

I respect anyone who is willing to talk preemptive trash to a team that is 10 days removed from a 6 TD demolition.
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Equal props to a fan of another team going on another's board to give a crap. :good!:
 
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While at TN in the late 90's my brother had a professor ask if there were any football players in the class. Handful of guys raised their hands, professors says "I'm not a big fan of football but don't worry I have you covered."

Bama cheats, history shows us they do it often. I mean Bear is the grandfather of collegiate football improprities and wrote the book on it. TN does it too, maybe not as systematic, definitely not as well or as brazen.

At the end of the day though the series is streaky. When Saban arrived at Bama they had a mere 5 game lead in a series of 89 games. That's not domination of any kind.
 
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