Can Vols ever overcome Bamas built in advantage?

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Interesting conversation today on Swain and yesterday on Basilio. *note- I know many of you don't like them- but I much prefer Wvlz to the boring sports animal.*


Anyway, here's what they were asserting:

Steve Shaw - head of officials is a biased Bama grad.

There is evidence that Bama gets officiating breaks (see today's Basilio blog citing Auburn researched materials).

Having the SEC office in Birmingham is a big advantage for Bama because all of the conference employees and their families live in this pro Bama environment which is bound to rub off.

The Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, and state of Alabama media is all in the tank for Bama. E.g. They rarely report anything negative about Alabama football and certainly do not do any investigative digging. Compare this to the Knoxville and Nashville media which many see as hostile to the Vols.

Local and state police and legal authorities in the state of Alabama are in the tank for Bama. These people are Bama fans and know that all of their constituents are.
Compare this to Knoxville and state of Tenn police and judges. Do they ever "look the other way"?

The University of Alabama educational hierarchy fully cooperates with Coach Saban. If there is a player that is "borderline" academically, the school will find a way to get him in. Same thing with any drug or disciplinary problems.
The school will cover up these problems.
That does not happen with UT's administration.

Bottom Line: University of Alabama football is THE BIGGEST AND MOST IMPORTANT thing in the state of Alabama and the entire state infrastructure buys in.
That is not the case in the state of Tennessee and UT.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
Interesting conversation today on Swain and yesterday on Basilio. *note- I know many of you don't like them- but I much prefer Wvlz to the boring sports animal.*


Anyway, here's what they were asserting:

Steve Shaw - head of officials is a biased Bama grad.

There is evidence that Bama gets officiating breaks (see today's Basilio blog citing Auburn researched materials).

Having the SEC office in Birmingham is a big advantage for Bama because all of the conference employees and their families live in this pro Bama environment which is bound to rub off.

The Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, and state of Alabama media is all in the tank for Bama. E.g. They rarely report anything negative about Alabama football and certainly do not doing any investigative digging. Compare this to the Knoxville and Nashville papers which many see as hostile to the Vols.

Local and state police and legal authorities in the state of Alabama are in the tank for Bama. These people are Bama fans and know that all of their constituents are.
Compare this to Knoxville and state of Tenn police and judges. Do they ever "look the other way"?

The University of Alabama educational hierarchy fully cooperates with Coach Saban. If there is a player that is "borderline" academically, the school will find a way to get him in. Same thing with any drug or disciplinary problems.
The school will cover up these problems.
That does not happen with UT's administration.

Bottom Line: University of Alabama football is THE BIGGEST AND MOST IMPORTANT thing in the state of Alabama and the entire state infrastructure buys in.
That is not the case in the state of Tennessee and UT.
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I promise you if there is a 4 or 5 star player committed to UT they'll (UT Admin) find a way to get him in.
 
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On 12/4/16, Saban will be announced as the new Texas coach in a record deal approaching $150 million. That will bring an end to Bama.

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Yes. A few drops of WD-40 on the door hinges goes a long way.

First, identify each task that must be completed in order to ensure total victory in every way on and off the field, including political, financial, etc.

Next, systemically incentivize each one of those.

Finally, profit.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
The Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, and state of Alabama media is all in the tank for Bama.
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LOL! I was curious about this one, so I started out asking okay, what's the newspaper in Birmingham? It's the Birmingham News. Went to the Wiki page for it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birmingham_News) and the first thing I see is a picture of a 2005 edition of the paper with a caption right up top that says "All Eyes on Fulmer". May have to give you this one :p
 
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Yes. We can. Simply build a better program than Alabama has put together. Hire a championship coach. Recruit & sign the best players in the nation. Train them properly. Put them out on the field and unleash them on the football world, and enjoy. You know, sort of like Bama does. Not rocket science.
 
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It is a machine. I'll also add that I believe that PEDs are rampant in the Alabama football program. I don't think Saban buys recruits but they are well compensated once they arrive on campus. I'm not simple minded enough to believe that some of that stuff goes on everywhere but I do think Bama's payroll is on another level.
 
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Also, because the elephants are the professional sport in alabama they bring in HUGE amounts of revenue for things like television contracts...you wonder why people like finebaum are where they are.
 
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I'm going to say one thing about this...they can be beat, but you are going to have to devote your season and your athletic department to the job. You are going to have to make it a priority with your fan base and beyond. You are going to have to realize that alabama IS your season.
 
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The stats Auburn has on bama getting 1 offensive holding call out of every FOUR conference games is simply mind boggling. Cue bamawriter to show up and "but but but, bama has the least penalties called against their opponents!"

Allow me to hold a match to that strawman. Holding is illegal. Most teams coach their players NOT to hold, or how to get "legally" as close to holding as the refs will allow. Bama's players on the other hand KNOW beforehand the refs won't be calling holding, so they blatantly hold with abandon. Meanwhile, the other team doesn't hold because they've been trained not to. So the game ends and neither team has been called for holding - completely fair, right? Wrong, of course. Major advantage to the tide, who actually held and should have had it called. Opponents' penalties is NOT a measure of whether your team has been given an advantage by the refs.

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I don't doubt any of this. Here's my two questions of why aren't we doing it if Alabama is.

Why don't we have an injury tent on the sidelines.

And the bigger question, why don't we have oxygen on the sidelines for our players? Players grabbing an oxygen mask has a huge advantage against someone not having it.
 
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Aerie Vol said:
The stats Auburn has on bama getting 1 offensive holding call out of every FOUR conference games is simply mind boggling. Cue bamawriter to show up and "but but but, bama has the least penalties called against their opponents!"

Allow me to hold a match to that strawman. Holding is illegal. Most teams coach their players NOT to hold, or how to get "legally" as close to holding as the refs will allow. Bama's players on the other hand KNOW beforehand the refs won't be calling holding, so they blatantly hold with abandon. Meanwhile, the other team doesn't hold because they've been trained not to. So the game ends and neither team has been called for holding - completely fair, right? Wrong, of course. Major advantage to the tide, who actually held and should have had it called. Opponents' penalties is NOT a measure of whether your team has been given an advantage by the refs.

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The A&M touchdown throw in the corner before halftime the AL DB had a hand full of the receivers jersey.
 
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Aerie Vol said:
The stats Auburn has on bama getting 1 offensive holding call out of every FOUR conference games is simply mind boggling. Cue bamawriter to show up and "but but but, bama has the least penalties called against their opponents!"

Allow me to hold a match to that strawman. Holding is illegal. Most teams coach their players NOT to hold, or how to get "legally" as close to holding as the refs will allow. Bama's players on the other hand KNOW beforehand the refs won't be calling holding, so they blatantly hold with abandon. Meanwhile, the other team doesn't hold because they've been trained not to. So the game ends and neither team has been called for holding - completely fair, right? Wrong, of course. Major advantage to the tide, who actually held and should have had it called. Opponents' penalties is NOT a measure of whether your team has been given an advantage by the refs.

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Not discounting Bama has as good a college football defense as I've seen in recent memory, BUT their DBs literally have hands full of jersey downfield almost every play during the 2016 season.
 
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ScornedPapaVol said:
Yes. We can. Simply build a better program than Alabama has put together. Hire a championship coach. Recruit & sign the best players in the nation. Train them properly. Put them out on the field and unleash them on the football world, and enjoy. You know, sort of like Bama does. Not rocket science.
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There is no room for intelligence here sir... Be gone with you :)




Just so you know I totally agree except for the Head Coach part. He just needs to tweak a couple of things
 
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Aerie Vol said:
The stats Auburn has on bama getting 1 offensive holding call out of every FOUR conference games is simply mind boggling. Cue bamawriter to show up and "but but but, bama has the least penalties called against their opponents!"

Allow me to hold a match to that strawman. Holding is illegal. Most teams coach their players NOT to hold, or how to get "legally" as close to holding as the refs will allow. Bama's players on the other hand KNOW beforehand the refs won't be calling holding, so they blatantly hold with abandon. Meanwhile, the other team doesn't hold because they've been trained not to. So the game ends and neither team has been called for holding - completely fair, right? Wrong, of course. Major advantage to the tide, who actually held and should have had it called. Opponents' penalties is NOT a measure of whether your team has been given an advantage by the refs.

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Or UT fans choose not to see opponents holding Bama.
 
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Bama will continue to get officiating breaks as long as they're number 1 or around number 1.

Man it's gonna be a great day when Saban retires.
 
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Aerie Vol said:
The stats Auburn has on bama getting 1 offensive holding call out of every FOUR conference games is simply mind boggling. Cue bamawriter to show up and "but but but, bama has the least penalties called against their opponents!"

Allow me to hold a match to that strawman. Holding is illegal. Most teams coach their players NOT to hold, or how to get "legally" as close to holding as the refs will allow. Bama's players on the other hand KNOW beforehand the refs won't be calling holding, so they blatantly hold with abandon. Meanwhile, the other team doesn't hold because they've been trained not to. So the game ends and neither team has been called for holding - completely fair, right? Wrong, of course. Major advantage to the tide, who actually held and should have had it called. Opponents' penalties is NOT a measure of whether your team has been given an advantage by the refs.

AV
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Yep!
 
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Try to look at it objectively for a moment.

Since holding is illegal it should always be called when Alabama does it .

^ This isn't dependent on anything to do with UT fans or theoretical uncalled penalties on any other team.

It's basic logic. Either Alabama gets penalized for their holding infractions or someone cheated for their advantage.

They didn't get penalized, therefore they benefit from those who cheated for their advantage. SEC Officials, SEC Birmingham office, et al.

They cheated, therefore the results of the plays they cheated on which gave them an advantage are invalid.

The games are made up of invalid plays therefore the result of those games are invalid.

Their results are invalid, therefore they aren't official.

Alabama's record is unofficial, therefore they cannot be official National Champion.

Granted, they can be National Champion of whatever you call a sport where the officials don't enforce the rules of the game on them, but it's certainly not football or the topic of this discussion.

Football has rules. You know, those things the Birmingham office turns their blindest eyes and coldest shoulders to each week.

They have been given space and time to get it right. It hasn't improved. It's only a matter of time before there will be internal adjustments made or adjustments will be made for them.
 
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willinhf said:
And the hit to the head vs. aTm wasn't targeting either, was it?
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I wouldn't have argued had Wilson been tossed for that hit.

But I've given up on trying to figure out what targeting is. It seems to change every game. In the Ole Miss game, they forced a strip-sack TD, and the hit on Hurts is practically identical to the hit Wilson put on Noil. It wasn't called either. So I dunno. I guess getting the crown of the helmet directly into the facemask isn't targeting.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
Interesting conversation today on Swain and yesterday on Basilio. *note- I know many of you don't like them- but I much prefer Wvlz to the boring sports animal.*


Anyway, here's what they were asserting:

Steve Shaw - head of officials is a biased Bama grad.

There is evidence that Bama gets officiating breaks (see today's Basilio blog citing Auburn researched materials).

Having the SEC office in Birmingham is a big advantage for Bama because all of the conference employees and their families live in this pro Bama environment which is bound to rub off.

The Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, and state of Alabama media is all in the tank for Bama. E.g. They rarely report anything negative about Alabama football and certainly do not do any investigative digging. Compare this to the Knoxville and Nashville media which many see as hostile to the Vols.

Local and state police and legal authorities in the state of Alabama are in the tank for Bama. These people are Bama fans and know that all of their constituents are.
Compare this to Knoxville and state of Tenn police and judges. Do they ever "look the other way"?

The University of Alabama educational hierarchy fully cooperates with Coach Saban. If there is a player that is "borderline" academically, the school will find a way to get him in. Same thing with any drug or disciplinary problems.
The school will cover up these problems.
That does not happen with UT's administration.

Bottom Line: University of Alabama football is THE BIGGEST AND MOST IMPORTANT thing in the state of Alabama and the entire state infrastructure buys in.
That is not the case in the state of Tennessee and UT.
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Not to sound conspiratorial, but I have said this for years and I've watched the Vols for 40+.

Your team will get penalties and Bama will get penalties. Ok, fair enough.

But........which teams get penalties at critical points in the game? All games (where either team has a legitimate shot at winning) have "tipping points" in them - at most 3 or 4 - sometimes only 1 or 2 if it is a defensive struggle. These tipping points lead to momentum and ultimate victory. I have noticed over the years that in many if not most of these tipping point situations, somehow a penalty occurs which favors Bama (whether they be on defense or offense).

If the SEC had any credibility (...and I'm not sure of that), they would move their offices to Atlanta - where the SECCG is played.
 
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