Can Vol fans be logical?

#77
#77
Sorry OP but you asked far too much for most of the people here on VN, LOL!

CDD did explain how he thinks and why he makes the decisions he makes but most people here don't understand doing things to make our Vols program lots better for the LONG term.

Most people here only know about Wins and Losses and nothing about what it takes and how long it takes to totaly rebuild a football program from the bottom up for LONG term success and to be able to play and Win against the best teams in the SEC.

CDD wants our Defence to always be a top 10 Defence like Saban did at Bama and like Kelly finally did after 3 years of working on it at Notre Dame.

Every smart coach knows that a great Offense is lots of fun to watch BUT they also know that to Win Championships you have to build a great Defense and that's what CDD was starting when he switched to the 3-4 D.

Kelly started building his 3-4 D 3 years ago with the same DC he has now and after 3 years he now has Notre Dame looking pretty dern great and highly ranked.

Saban has had the Defense at Bama ranked number 1 in the country for 2 years in a row and he Won a National Championship last season and it's looking like he just might Win another National Championship this season to make it 2 in a row.

CDD wants the same results for Tennessee but all smart people knows it takes 2 years to learn everything about the 3-4 and have it down well enough to react fast and make plays fast but most people on here don't know that and refuse to learn those things no matter how many times facts are posted on here.

The only things most say on here is CDD sucks and most of our coaches suck, ect, ect.

Last year they all said our O linemen sucks and our RB's all suck and we'll never have a good running game until we recruit good SEC type RB's and O linemen.

CDD said he would fix our running game and he did that but all the people that said all our O linemen and RB's sucked will now never admit how totally WRONG they were.

Psychologically people that are wrong quite often can never admit they were wrong about anything because their overinflated ego and belief that they know so much about things they really know very little about just won't let them admit they're ever wrong especially in public like here on VN.

Has CDD brought in some really good players to build up our roster despite NCAA investigations, far too many losses over the last 10 years and all the other coaches we recruit against saying that Tennessee will always stay a loser...YES, we could name many good players that CDD brought in but NEVER will any of these people admit it because all they can say is CDD sucks as a recruiter and his rankings of the 2 recruiting classes he brought in prove that.

Our Offense scores more points per game this season than we've scored in 10 years but both CDD and CJC suck and we have the worst OC in the nation despite all the proof of how good our O really is.

Face the facts man...Here on VN we have the best AD's and the best coaches in the country and if we would just turn over our Tennessee football program to the people here on VN we would hardly ever lose a game, LMAO!

You would get as much success here on VN trying to debate any real facts as you would going outside in your yard and debating a tree, LOL.

Most people here are simply never wrong...even when it's been proven in the past they were very wrong, LOL!

I'll support whoever our coaches and players are no matter what because I love my Vols and that's what I've done for 50 years.

If AD Hart and our big $$$ boosters decide to make a change that's fine with me, and besides, nobody here on VN has anything to say about what our AD does anyway.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
#78
#78
vols-1 said:
It's even more illogical to wait on a proven coach. Saban at Alabama has probably been the only homerun hire in the last 20 years in the SEC. Half of the current SEC coaches had no HC coaching experience when hired.
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Really?

Urban Meyer comes from Utah to Florida and wins two National Championships. Homerun hire. Discounting "health" issues, any fan would be happy with that record.

Bobby Petrino bails on the Atlanta Falcons to coach Arkansas and turns them into a legitimate contender. Minus some silly personal indiscretions, that was a very solid hire, if not a home run.

Steve Spurrier comes out of forced retirement from the NFL to take the South Carolina head coach position. Traditional mid-to-bottom tier SEC east team is now consistently spending time in the top 10 nationally. Home run.

Previous Head Coaching experience before current job:
Saban - Toledo, Michigan State, LSU, Miami (NFL)
Dooley - Louisiana Tech
Smith - Idaho, Utah State, Louisville, Michigan State
Freeze - Lambuth University, Arkansas State
Sumlin - Houston
Spurrier - Duke, Florida, Washington (NFL)
Pinkel - Toledo
Phillips - none
Mullen - none
Richt - none
Franklin - none
Muschamp - none
Miles - Oklahoma State
Chizik - Iowa State

So 5 of 14 or 35% had no previous head coaching experience. I'll grant that your were correct in that the SEC does have a good number of coaches with minimal experience and were probably using hyperbole in saying half.

Both hiring options have their merits. After some growing pains, Muschamp is improving. Mullen is doing wonders at MS State. Franklin has performed above expectations at Vandy. Richt is, well, handsome Fulmer without a championship. Phillips has returned Kentucky to its traditional place in the cellar of the east.

Experience isn't the end-all-be-all, but it definitely can help. Saban and Spurrier need no further discussion. Smith has been a disaster at Arkansas and was a mixed bag everywhere he's been. Sumlin and Freeze both have only had short head coaching careers so far, but both seem to be winners everywhere they go. Miles didn't set the world on fire at OK St, but with the talent and fertile recruiting grounds near LSU, has been solid. Chizik proved that Tuberville had good players and needed a good $180K rent-a-QB to turn it into gold. Now he looks to be performing just as well at Auburn as he had at Iowa State.

I agree somewhat with the OP that it doesn't make much sense to dump our HC for an unproven coach. If we can't bring in a proven winner, see what Dooley can do with his senior class and a defense that should understand how to execute the 3-4 system properly. If Dooley falls short of expectations then, by all means, show him the door when his buyout is smaller, allowing us increased spending potential to get a proven guy or at least a better up and coming coordinator that shows a lot of promise.
 
#79
#79
Definition of Logic (1) : a particular mode of reasoning viewed as valid or faulty.c : interrelation or sequence of facts or events when seen as inevitable or predictable
 
#80
#80
Unless a proven Head Coach with very probable potential to be a top 5-10 recruiter every year can be hired. In my opinion, Dooley should stay.
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I agree with your point. But you always seem to add insult to injury with your point. By talking down to all us "dumb hillbillies". Because none of us have ever played or coached the game at any leve(4 year letterman at OLB, SS, coached, volunteered, 3 years Ruitan & Middle School). Or, maybe we are simply sub-human compared to your immense intellect.
 
#81
#81
ncvol17 said:
what he said.......
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Tennessee should have won 2 of those 4 with a decent coach.

Ms St - Gimme a break, we NEVER worry about any Mississippi team at UT.

USC - RB Out, DE's playing part time, QB Average.

No reason we shouldn't have won those.

Can't wait for Dools to be gone.
 
#82
#82
volsgrad89 said:
Most of us rant and rave good and bad with emotion. How about a logical approach to all of this? Anyone that has coached for years will understand and should agree.

Unless a proven Head Coach with very probable potential to be a top 5-10 recruiter every year can be hired. In my opinion, Dooley should stay.

Before you thrash me and say how ignorant I am. Please consider some info and be logical. Anyone that is a head coach understands it starts and stops with the head coach. However, you are only as good as your assistants and players!

After watching Dooley's press conference from yesterday. Either Dooley knows is fate is sealed. He is hurting so badly because he knows this team should have turned the corner and won 3 of 4 versus UF, UGA, MSU, and USC. Or, he is emotional about both. He is a person of high character who is passionate about UT, his assistants, and his players!

He didn't throw one single player under the bus yesterday. Instead, he talked about Tiny and others playing their hearts out. He didn't throw Sal and the secondary coach under the bus. Although, he should have.

If Hart was more of the reason Sal was hired, fire Hart. Dooley should get one more year. If Dooley was the primary reason Sal was hired. Dooley took a gamble on an unproven DC and sealed his own fate.
However, Dooley is responsible for the defensive side of the ball and appears to have worked primarily with the offense and special teams.

For years I heard that problems were caused by Majors or Fulmer because they micromanaged their staff. Well, when your team is not performing to their ability. The Head Coach should micromanage their staff to make improvement. If Dooley can't make changes to the D whether Sal likes it or not. Dooley should go whether Hart was the primary reason Sal was hired.
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Not when WINNNING or Gruden is the only Answer...
 
#83
#83
Logically, you would think a coach that loses to Kentucky is not a very good coach---and a coach that by year 3 game 9 struggles with time management and personnel issues is not going to get better at those skills. I would venture to say year 4 of Dooley would be the same as this year (maybe worse). Is there any evidence that you can you can show that these are incorrect assumptions?
 
#84
#84
volsgrad89 said:
If the D wasn't one of the worst in the country. This team would be 6-2, 7-1. As stated, if the move to get Sal was primarily on Hart instead of Dooley. Hart should be gone for not letting Dooley bring in a proved DC!
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If half the team wasn't terrible, we would be good.

Genius!
 
#85
#85
volsgrad89 said:
Are you saying Dooley doesn't do this things? How can you not say the team hasn't been motivated and played their hearts out? Although, they didn't play that way in the Bama game. Dooley seems to have managed the game well except challenging the time out that wasn't asked to be given back. Isn't he being accountable by taking blame and not throwing anyone else under the bus?
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Dooley's teams have had a tendency to lay down when things get tough....look at the 4th quarter of the Florida game.
 
#86
#86
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#87
#87
Dooley was not fired after UK. Dooley was not fired after losing by 17 at home, favored by 3 with Gameday and the nation watching VS UF. Dooley was not fired after losing to a very over rated MSU team. I think the fans have been logical enough. It's time for action.
 
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