Can Vol fans be logical?

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Vol_Maul said:
We are in the "licking Saban's crack sweat" phase of coaching hires. Hopefully it is over soon. It will seriously piss me off if Kirby Smart is our next head coach.
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Kiffin was our Mike Price and Dooley is our Mike Shula.

We're due.
 
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Well, that didn't go over well.........applying logic to some of the posters is like pissing on their backs and say its raining...........they don't get it, never will, don't want to, and if they didn't have something to whine about, they might turn their pathetic views of a team they claim to love.........love/hate?.......who know with these yahoos.......I wonder what it is like to live and work around these negative nancies. If Hart takes any of the negative post as any weight to the future of CDD, then he should be fired. The majority of these post are pointless and full of dribble.

VFL.........Go Vols.........go CDD!
 
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RockyTop-TN said:
If we get the defense better, we are a really good team. Keeping dooley is our best shot to be good next year.
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Serious ? You people act like Dooley is a good coach. He's not even decent, his résumé backs that up. He makes as many mistakes during the game as the team does. If you want a coach that can't beat 1 national ranked team and just gets by the bottom feeders of the SEC , which Tn is one of those teams. Then Dooley is your man.
 
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FlyFishnVol said:
Well, that didn't go over well.........applying logic to some of the posters is like pissing on their backs and say its raining...........they don't get it, never will, don't want to, and if they didn't have something to whine about, they might turn their pathetic views of a team they claim to love.........love/hate?.......who know with these yahoos.......I wonder what it is like to live and work around these negative nancies. If Hart takes any of the negative post as any weight to the future of CDD, then he should be fired. The majority of these post are pointless and full of dribble.

VFL.........Go Vols.........go CDD!
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Full of dribble? Wow.
 
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orangeluvr said:
STFU, TROLL. Stay off here. :bad::rtfm::shaking2::crap2::puke5: :the_finger: :nono:
I would personally love to kick your gator trolling ass, I can be super bad when needed . :yes:
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Settle down Bevis. As much as I hate all things gator, 99 ain't all that bad.
 
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Let me repeat, I am all four a major upgrade. However, I don't want an unproven replacement who isn't going to bring in top five classes every year in recruiting. If Thunder and Haslam are willing to spend Saban type money to make this happen. I am all for it. If not, keep Dooley. If Hart was the major reason Sal was hired![/QUOTE]

I don't get this. Has it been proven that Hart forced Sal on CDD? I know this has been driven into the ground but it seems everything I've read about the subject has just been stuff repeated from here. I have a hard time imagining CDD allowing a hire that was forced upon him. Don't they have prior history under Saban at Miami and LSU? Could be wrong about that.
 
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DC Vol said:
I can see the argument of the team's talent versus the team's production.

If Bobby Petrino (I don't like the guy, but just making a point about his coaching ability) had this group of players... we'd have won 3 out of 4.

From a potential standpoint: Bray/Patterson/Hunter. Huge potential between those 3.

From an actual production standpoint: OL/Rivera.

If we had a better Offensive staff with even a mediocre defense we would absolutely have won 3 of those 4 games. Hell, even with bad coaching we almost won 3.

You can't look at UT and say "those coaches are getting the most out of their talent" like you can say with both aTm and MSU.
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How come it always comes back to CJC and the offense? Bray is a head case at times in big games. He played a great game against USC! The D is the problem. It should be as good or better as last year. If so, this team is 6-2 or 7-1.
 
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DenverVol01 said:
Let me repeat, I am all four a major upgrade. However, I don't want an unproven replacement who isn't going to bring in top five classes every year in recruiting. If Thunder and Haslam are willing to spend Saban type money to make this happen. I am all for it. If not, keep Dooley. If Hart was the major reason Sal was hired!
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I don't get this. Has it been proven that Hart forced Sal on CDD? I know this has been driven into the ground but it seems everything I've read about the subject has just been stuff repeated from here. I have a hard time imagining CDD allowing a hire that was forced upon him. Don't they have prior history under Saban at Miami and LSU? Could be wrong about that.[/QUOTE]

Supposedly, Clawsen was forced up Fulmer to a degree. I am not saying it was Hart's call. I am saying. If it was, Dooley isn't the one that made the bad choice that lead to the D being pathetic. That is all I am saying.

Does anyone know who's choice was it to bring in Sal? If so, I would like to hear about it. No rumor, something that is concrete. Don't think for one moment that ADs don't make suggestions about who the DC or OC is. Why would you think it was totally on Dooley? If the AD hires the Head Coach. Why wouldn't he have major input on the assistants? Didn't Cutcliffe turn down the job because Hamilton wouldn't allow Cut to bring in his assistants? Now, people are saying Sal wasn't Hart's man. Who knows for sure?
 
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I believe most VOL fans are quite reasonable. We pay millions of dollars each year for coaches salaries. Is it not reasonable to expect a return on our investment? Is it not reasonable that our coaches be able to coach on the SEC level in return for SEC level pay?

What is NOT reasonable, or logical, is for VOL fans to disgrace our players, school... and Tennessee, in general... by their words and actions at ballgames. Before you light the fuse, let me say that I know that all but the most idiotic fans of any team act in a reasonable and respectful manner... it is the idiots that make any fan base embarrassed.

Tennessee is a great state, and being a VOLS fan is a great attitude... let's show it!
 
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volsgrad89 said:
If the D wasn't one of the worst in the country. This team would be 6-2, 7-1. As stated, if the move to get Sal was primarily on Hart instead of Dooley. Hart should be gone for not letting Dooley bring in a proved DC!
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"If" seems to almost be the new motto of Tennessee football. I've seen more "ifs" regarding the Dooley era than I can count. And I'm pretty sick of them too.

We have too many fans that seem to be content with with the idea that IF all these things had happened, we'd only have 1 or 2 losses.
 
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FlyFishnVol said:
Well, that didn't go over well.........applying logic to some of the posters is like pissing on their backs and say its raining...........they don't get it, never will, don't want to, and if they didn't have something to whine about, they might turn their pathetic views of a team they claim to love.........love/hate?.......who know with these yahoos.......I wonder what it is like to live and work around these negative nancies. If Hart takes any of the negative post as any weight to the future of CDD, then he should be fired. The majority of these post are pointless and full of dribble.

VFL.........Go Vols.........go CDD!
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People can't help it that you keep your head in sand and refuse to believe that Dooley sucks. You talk about applying logic , so when are you going to start applying it ? Try putting your love for UT first instead of your love for Dooley first.
 
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FlyFishnVol said:
Well, that didn't go over well.........applying logic to some of the posters is like pissing on their backs and say its raining...........they don't get it, never will, don't want to, and if they didn't have something to whine about, they might turn their pathetic views of a team they claim to love.........love/hate?.......who know with these yahoos.......I wonder what it is like to live and work around these negative nancies. If Hart takes any of the negative post as any weight to the future of CDD, then he should be fired. The majority of these post are pointless and full of dribble.

VFL.........Go Vols.........go CDD!
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Excuse me Maam? Can you take some midol and STFU?

Don't whine becuase your logic is flawed and people disagree with it.
 
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Dooley had 2 losing seasons at Tech, a 8 win season, then a 4 win season. Since coming to UT, 2 losing seasons, and a probable 6-7 win season. Should we just sit back and accept a possible 4 win season next year? Sounds like a hell of an idea to me. :eek:lol:
 
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If the SEC is too tough, Dooley might want to see if Hart will let him take UT out if the SEC. Maybe the ACC will work.

Any of you that say its okay to be 0-5 for three years in a row in the SEC should get your head checked.

Mediocrity is not excusable.

Crappy coach produced crappy results. Yet you guys make excuses.

Idiotic.
 
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volsgrad89 said:
Most of us rant and rave good and bad with emotion. How about a logical approach to all of this? Anyone that has coached for years will understand and should agree.

Unless a proven Head Coach with very probable potential to be a top 5-10 recruiter every year can be hired. In my opinion, Dooley should stay.

Before you thrash me and say how ignorant I am. Please consider some info and be logical. Anyone that is a head coach understands it starts and stops with the head coach. However, you are only as good as your assistants and players!

After watching Dooley's press conference from yesterday. Either Dooley knows is fate is sealed. He is hurting so badly because he knows this team should have turned the corner and won 3 of 4 versus UF, UGA, MSU, and USC. Or, he is emotional about both. He is a person of high character who is passionate about UT, his assistants, and his players!

He didn't throw one single player under the bus yesterday. Instead, he talked about Tiny and others playing their hearts out. He didn't throw Sal and the secondary coach under the bus. Although, he should have.

If Hart was more of the reason Sal was hired, fire Hart. Dooley should get one more year. If Dooley was the primary reason Sal was hired. Dooley took a gamble on an unproven DC and sealed his own fate.
However, Dooley is responsible for the defensive side of the ball and appears to have worked primarily with the offense and special teams.

For years I heard that problems were caused by Majors or Fulmer because they micromanaged their staff. Well, when your team is not performing to their ability. The Head Coach should micromanage their staff to make improvement. If Dooley can't make changes to the D whether Sal likes it or not. Dooley should go whether Hart was the primary reason Sal was hired.
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Getting mixed messages from your avi comment.
 
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orangeluvr said:
The records show the Vols haven't lost many November games. Hopefully, the team will ignore social media and focus on winning out . :twocents:
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The Vols have always had an easy November as long as I can Remember

allot of times it was Old Miss Vandy and Kentucky with a non conf thrown in
of course Vandy Kentucky and Missouri all may be a hand full for this squad...watch out Vols
 
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volsgrad89 said:
If the D wasn't one of the worst in the country. This team would be 6-2, 7-1. As stated, if the move to get Sal was primarily on Hart instead of Dooley. Hart should be gone for not letting Dooley bring in a proved DC!
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Easy on the logic. People get confused.
 
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volsgrad89 said:
If the D wasn't one of the worst in the country. This team would be 6-2, 7-1. As stated, if the move to get Sal was primarily on Hart instead of Dooley. Hart should be gone for not letting Dooley bring in a proved DC!
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The problem with the Sunseri hire and many others is the fact they are associated with Saban. His assistants have never been able to hack it as head coaches. Jumbo Fisher has not proven he is an elite coach. Muskchamp may be one but not certain. Dooley is a no. He is a good character guy but you have to win games in the SEC. The lack of wins is what is sealing his fate.
 
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Logical
FANatical

Seriously???????
Can a fanatic be logical?
The statement is ripe with logical fallacy.

I guess everyone could start calling themselves Big Orange Logs.
 
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