Can Vol fans be logical?

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mtowntim said:
Anyway, back on topic, like several I believe if Hart can't bring in a heavy hitter, give Dooley his Senior class.

We don't need a project or another up&comer. We need someone that will stick around for awhile and provide sustainable success. IMO
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Totally agree. The training wheels test has been an unmitigated disaster. We need a proven commodity.
 
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I think it goes something like this.

Logically speaking, it is illogical to keep Dools.
 
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mtowntim said:
Anyway, back on topic, like several I believe if Hart can't bring in a heavy hitter, give Dooley his Senior class.

We don't need a project or another up&comer. We need someone that will stick around for awhile and provide sustainable success. IMO
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I could not agree more.
 
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After reading I don't know how many posts the last two weeks of "we're going to lose every game that's left on the schedule"...sometimes I question this as well
 
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TrueOrange said:
After reading I don't know how many posts the last two weeks of "we're going to lose every game that's left on the schedule"...sometimes I question this as well
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I don't think it's possible for us to lose all of the remaining games. IF we lose any it will be either Missouri or Vandy.
 
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Is op serious??? I'm stunned most people on there have the ability to dress themselves in the morning... This place is crawling with either serious trollers or absolute dumpster fires of humans and you're asking for logic??? There's very little educated, rational, logical thought to be had here; come here for the amusement and leave it at that...
 
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orangepeopleeater said:
Logic tells me that Tennessee is ranked 12th out of the 14 out of all the SEC. Logic also states that out of those 14 there are six of the SEC are ranked #16 or higher in the SEC at this moment. With the record the last couple of years it will be a major uphill climb for Tennessee to undergo to catch up to the rest of the SEC. Given also that Vanderbilt is now considered one of the top 10 party schools in the nation. It might give Tennessee a little more trouble inside the state on recruiting. I see on the current path it will take Tennessee 5 to 10 years to break even with the rest of the SEC.
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sadly you may be correct without a game changing HC that can expedite recruiting....I've said many times talent wins 90% time
 
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Dooley is a great Speaker. I know at Times I have seen him show emotions for this team and players and I love that. I know it is very sad that he truly has tried hard to win here. I know he has embraced our traditions and I love that. He isn't afraid to put in different players and try anything to get over the Hump. Great great face for our program and a southern guy that so many here can relate to Him. My problem is player development. We have guys that either come in as a 4* and get stronger but they are still a 4*or they come in a 3* and get stronger but still play like a 3*.You have to develop players to make them better. I have not been able to see any player have a break out year. Hunter was a stud when He got here. CP was a stud when he arrived.Bray was a Gun slinger from Day 1. Hunter still has issues of drops,gator arms,falling down with 3 yards left on the field. Bray can still not read defenses,still makes Bone head throws . DE's/LB's still do not seal the edge .CB's still do not knock WR's off routes and continue to allow huge cushions . LB's chasing WR's across the field. Lathers Continues to get abused BY TE's. WE have No QB pressure with just the front 4. The Kickers where the the best in the class when they arrived and have gone back wards. I am just like most of you .I am no head coach but Played football 8 years in school and have followed it all my life. If I can see these problems You would think a great staff could also see this and have it fixed,or better by game 6-7-8.
 
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99gator said:
Logically, why should Tennessee have won 3 of 4 against Florida, Georgia, Carolina and Mississippi State?
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STFU, TROLL. Stay off here. :bad::rtfm::shaking2::crap2::puke5: :the_finger: :nono:
I would personally love to kick your gator trolling ass, I can be super bad when needed . :yes:
 
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mtowntim said:
Anyway, back on topic, like several I believe if Hart can't bring in a heavy hitter, give Dooley his Senior class.

We don't need a project or another up&comer. We need someone that will stick around for awhile and provide sustainable success. IMO
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Not so sure Hart is the person who will/can bring in the Big Name HC.....it may indeed be Big Money Boosters that have to step up with UT's current financial status
 
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Spawn said:
I don't think it's possible for us to lose all of the remaining games. IF we lose any it will be either Missouri or Vandy.
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I could understand with Vandy


After watching Missouri play all year though, people saying this baffles me
 
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The records show the Vols haven't lost many November games. Hopefully, the team will ignore social media and focus on winning out . :twocents:
 
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orangeluvr said:
The records show the Vols haven't lost many November games. Hopefully, the team will ignore social media and focus on winning out . :twocents:
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Not many at all.....EXCEPT KY who was playing a WR at QB snapping our 26 year streak.
 
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orangeluvr said:
The records show the Vols haven't lost many November games. Hopefully, the team will ignore social media and focus on winning out . :twocents:
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If they're busy focusing on what social media says, then this team's got well more problems...
 
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photovol said:
Not so sure Hart is the person who will/can bring in the Big Name HC.....it may indeed be Big Money Boosters that have to step up with UT's current financial status
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If a move is made, it will definitly have to be the Big Money backing it. Otherwise, we're going to be hoping Dooley can finally put it all together in year four.
 
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volsgrad89 said:
Most of us rant and rave good and bad with emotion. How about a logical approach to all of this? Anyone that has coached for years will understand and should agree.

Unless a proven Head Coach with very probable potential to be a top 5-10 recruiter every year can be hired. In my opinion, Dooley should stay.

Before you thrash me and say how ignorant I am. Please consider some info and be logical. Anyone that is a head coach understands it starts and stops with the head coach. However, you are only as good as your assistants and players!

After watching Dooley's press conference from yesterday. Either Dooley knows is fate is sealed. He is hurting so badly because he knows this team should have turned the corner and won 3 of 4 versus UF, UGA, MSU, and USC. Or, he is emotional about both. He is a person of high character who is passionate about UT, his assistants, and his players!

He didn't throw one single player under the bus yesterday. Instead, he talked about Tiny and others playing their hearts out. He didn't throw Sal and the secondary coach under the bus. Although, he should have.

If Hart was more of the reason Sal was hired, fire Hart. Dooley should get one more year. If Dooley was the primary reason Sal was hired. Dooley took a gamble on an unproven DC and sealed his own fate.
However, Dooley is responsible for the defensive side of the ball and appears to have worked primarily with the offense and special teams.

For years I heard that problems were caused by Majors or Fulmer because they micromanaged their staff. Well, when your team is not performing to their ability. The Head Coach should micromanage their staff to make improvement. If Dooley can't make changes to the D whether Sal likes it or not. Dooley should go whether Hart was the primary reason Sal was hired.
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Logic dictates that being a fan(atic) for a certain school or team is inherently illogical. Sports fandom is about emotion. It is an escape from the realities of every day life. Mr. Spock should be an AD, not a fan.

I think it is logical to expect the coach of the football team with the largest recruiting budget in the nation to have better than a combined 0-12 record against Alabama, Florida, South Carolina and Georgia. If he had managed to pull off a win in any of his three attempts against any of those teams then I might be able to justify the wait and see approach. I, for one, have seen enough.

The popular excuse for Dooley seems to be that the SEC is hard and our team just can't compete and he needs more time. Vanderbilt is doing better than us. Joker Phillips at UK has as many career SEC wins as Dooley. James Franklin has as many SEC wins as Dooley and he has a year less of games in which to accumulate that total. Pull the plug. The results just aren't there. The only logical justification for keeping Dooley is the buyout, and UT stands to lose just as much, if not more, in revenue if Dooley remains and results don't improve. Screw logic. Run him out of town with pitchforks if it comes to that. The man is not winning. I'd rather have Charlie Sheen as coach.

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what what said:
There are a lot of elements to being a coach. It is definitely not easy. The great ones can do the following things that Dooley cannot.

1. Motivate the team for an entire game
2. Manage the game
3. Be accountable
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I do agree with this..... Ms st let me know a lot about this. Staff. Our team was not prepared for the game after a bye weekend. This was an inexcuseabe
 
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It's even more illogical to wait on a proven coach. Saban at Alabama has probably been the only homerun hire in the last 20 years in the SEC. Half of the current SEC coaches had no HC coaching experience when hired.
 
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Vol Karma said:
\ His record is all you need to see. Sal wasn't coaching last year when he went 0-5 in the first 5 SEC games and lost to UK.
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True, but we were only averaging 20pts a game (overall) last year. (Over 40 points each against Cincy, Montana, & Buffalo)
Last 8 games we averaged 11.625 pts a game. This year we're averaging 34.5 pts a game (overall)


Our problem THIS year is Defense. We are dead last in the SEC in points allowed and around 100 in the nation.

I completely agree that if our defense was just a tad bit better we'd be 7-1 or 6-2 at worst.
 
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volsgrad89 said:
I agree with all of you. I was one of the ones that wanted Fulmer to go. It was his time to go. If I had seen the writing on the wall. I wouldn't have wanted Fulmer to leave. I am just saying. If we don't get a proven coach and proven recruiter or a very probably high end recruiter. How do we know next year will be any better with another head coach? Right now, you have to be a top ten recruiter and coach in the country to beat the likes of Spurrier, Saban, and Miles consistently. I don't want UT to make a move. Unless, we get a proven coach that will have the recruits raising their eyebrows (ex. Cowher, Gruden, Tomlin, Petersen, Patterson, Kelly).

Let me repeat, I am all four a major upgrade. However, I don't want an unproven replacement who isn't going to bring in top five classes every year in recruiting. If Thunder and Haslam are willing to spend Saban type money to make this happen. I am all for it. If not, keep Dooley. If Hart was the major reason Sal was hired!
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The more important question is are you all three a major upgrade........???

Sorry, bored at work. :lolabove:
 
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9296potsguy said:
Logically we should have never hired a coach with a losing record at a midmajor school.
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We are in the "licking Saban's crack sweat" phase of coaching hires. Hopefully it is over soon. It will seriously piss me off if Kirby Smart is our next head coach.
 
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