can our front 7 stop the run

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sjt18 said:
Jumper is not physically talented enough to play against top end SEC talent. I think he was consistent... and just looked better against the weak back end of the schedule.

It is a shame that he doesn't have the raw physical talent because he has everything else you would want.
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I heard that at GA Tech freshmen orientation they used to show the actual replay of what happened when ND put Rudy on the field. Want to doesn't always equal can do in the real world.
 
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njvols said:
If you're talking about getting most talent and speed on the field at one time, I'd look at sliding Todd Kelly down to OLB and put Warrior in his spot. Shoop pretty much said OLB position is a glorified DB position now because of spread offenses.
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He likes the 4-3 with a "spur" type of hybrid. Kelly is far from ideal for that role... but the Chiefs have had Berry play something fairly similar at times. But honestly I'm not sure the SAM isn't every bit as much of a problem. The 4-2-5 goes with a Mike and Will. Who would play SAM? You can say Bituli or DKjr... but ideally you want at least two studs in the middle to rotate.

It will be interesting to see how McDowell and Sapp are used. IIRC, both are a little undersized for SAM but maybe not quite fast enough to play the Spur.
 
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sjt18 said:
Shoop was a dud? Shoop did not develop nor recruit the players he was left with... then it got 100 times worse with the injuries... again something he hasn't had time to correct. Jones' D staff prior to the changes was a couple of mid-major coaches and a couple of guys who had already proven they weren't SEC quality while at UGA.
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grate points but should SHOOPS not have I.D. all theses problems and fixed them when he got here. how do you know the problem is not Shoops. i love all the new coaches.
 
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Can we stop the run? Well, yes is the answer, but I won't lie that GT is going to be a HUGE test for our young pass rushers. Butch had a fantastic D line at cinci. He knows it's importance. Shoop is supposed to be some kind of D MENSA and then there's HOKE. I have my questions about Hoke like everyone should and am in prove it mode make no mistake, but this guy is supposed to be one of the worlds best d line coaches. So YES is the answer but youth and inexperience will be a factor in the GT game.
 
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sjt18 said:
And serious questions at LB... which isn't really conducive to putting 4 on the field at the same time.
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Thigpen is almost as bad as Martinez in terms of development. Jancek was able to hide it in the beginning, but last year showed that LB coaching is a huge problem.
 
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Of all the big areas which affect W's and L's, I think front 7 is my biggest concern against the run. We certainly aren't void of talent, but nothing has really shown me over the past couple years that we "get it". Am hoping getting everyone back healthy will help. BTW, I don't think we have to be top shelf front 7 to have a good season, but if we want to be top 15ish, they've got to be really good. I think our offense will be good running and passing, and think our collective pass defense will be in pretty good shape.
 
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njvols said:
Of all the big areas which affect W's and L's, I think front 7 is my biggest concern against the run. We certainly aren't void of talent, but nothing has really shown me over the past couple years that we "get it". Am hoping getting everyone back healthy will help. BTW, I don't think we have to be top shelf front 7 to have a good season, but if we want to be top 15ish, they've got to be really good. I think our offense will be good running and passing, and think our collective pass defense will be in pretty good shape.
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well said
 
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forgiven said:
i think were ok on the back end. there are still a lot of talent to replace and talented players recovering from bad injuries in the front 7. if there is a problem it will show up here. the LB are also slow and we are thin there too.
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for the 500th time yes if our 2 deep is mostly healthy of course... the same would have been true last year if we are playing at worst 3 deep yes we can and did stop the run. if we are dipping into the 4th and 5th person at the position then no of course not. That is true for any team on any level of football.

If the mighty Bama was playing games missing their 2-3 top linebackers (in a 2 linebacker system) and their top 3-4 DT's they would have gotten gashed too.
 
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pimo1 said:
for the 500th time yes if our 2 deep is mostly healthy of course... the same would have been true last year if we are playing at worst 3 deep yes we can and did stop the run. if we are dipping into the 4th and 5th person at the position then no of course not. That is true for any team on any level of football.

If the mighty Bama was playing games missing their 2-3 top linebackers (in a 2 linebacker system) and their top 3-4 DT's they would have gotten gashed too.
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for some reason that does not happen to them. it seems we are snake bit more often than other programs on all fronts.
 
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Everyone loves high rated players on here...until the team collapses....then they all suck we suck jargon as usual...

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forgiven said:
for some reason that does not happen to them. it seems we are snake bit more often than other programs on all fronts.
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I have followed Football for almost 30 years at both the professional and collegiate levels. In that time I have never seen anything in the ballpark of the decimation this team suffered throughout the year but especially at the end.

It was not just injuries or just the front 7 on defense. It was across the board. We had injuries, we had defections we had quitting we had guy get kicked off the team. There are teams that have some of these things even lots of them but everyone we had was at a key position and key players. How many games did we ever play with our best 20 much less our best 22?

Someone, anyone point out a single instance of this type of decimation? This was not a situation that could be coached around by any coach. We ran out of the next guy to step up.. We were in waterboy mode.
 
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forgiven said:
grate points but should SHOOPS not have I.D. all theses problems and fixed them when he got here. how do you know the problem is not Shoops. i love all the new coaches.
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"Know"? We can't really know a situation will work out for anyone in any job. I have hired people that were qualified and seemed like terrific candidates who just didn't fit for one reason or another. That multiplied by about 1000 is what you have when you add a coach to a football staff.

BUT... based on his past performance, he was the best hire of Jones' tenure by far.

He produced a very good D at Vandy with lesser athletes than UT has. Same at PSU. But health didn't stop him.

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after just one season considering his track record.

I'm sure he did ID the problems but some things just can't be fixed very quickly. He ran a 4-2-5 last years because that's what Jancek's players and development made him do. He said very early on that he would have liked to have run the 4-3. That's what he's had success with in the past.
 
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Burger said:
Thigpen is almost as bad as Martinez in terms of development. Jancek was able to hide it in the beginning, but last year showed that LB coaching is a huge problem.
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Not sure. The reason I say that is that they could have gotten rid of him too. IIRC, someone here mentioned a LB coach being available that had worked with Shoop. This year will definitely tell the tale but it seems for now that Shoop and Jones think Thigpen can fit the staff while the others didn't.
 
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pimo1 said:
I have followed Football for almost 30 years at both the professional and collegiate levels. In that time I have never seen anything in the ballpark of the decimation this team suffered throughout the year but especially at the end.

It was not just injuries or just the front 7 on defense. It was across the board. We had injuries, we had defections we had quitting we had guy get kicked off the team. There are teams that have some of these things even lots of them but everyone we had was at a key position and key players. How many games did we ever play with our best 20 much less our best 22?

Someone, anyone point out a single instance of this type of decimation? This was not a situation that could be coached around by any coach. We ran out of the next guy to step up.. We were in waterboy mode.
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Johnny Majors had one team that had a lot but your correct nothing like last years team. we have a lot of players still in recovery. i like the coaching changes i hope that helps. we will find out in a few weeks
 
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pimo1 said:
for the 500th time yes if our 2 deep is mostly healthy of course... the same would have been true last year if we are playing at worst 3 deep yes we can and did stop the run. if we are dipping into the 4th and 5th person at the position then no of course not. That is true for any team on any level of football.

If the mighty Bama was playing games missing their 2-3 top linebackers (in a 2 linebacker system) and their top 3-4 DT's they would have gotten gashed too.
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There were management issues of the players that contributed to the injuries. You have to have S&C. You have to have correct technique and development. The system has to protect the players to an extent. And... you have to rotate your players and trust your back ups. To me, that has been a sore spot for UT during Jones' tenure. Some of it is depth... but the other part is getting a guy out there knowing he's a risk but also knowing you have to protect the health of your key people.
 
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sjt18 said:
There were management issues of the players that contributed to the injuries. You have to have S&C. You have to have correct technique and development. The system has to protect the players to an extent. And... you have to rotate your players and trust your back ups. To me, that has been a sore spot for UT during Jones' tenure. Some of it is depth... but the other part is getting a guy out there knowing he's a risk but also knowing you have to protect the health of your key people.
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it still may be a sore spot, when you make all the changes Jones made there is room for error. it looks super on paper. the results may not be what we are hoping for.
 
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That's it. forgiven = IknoxvolsI. I didn't want to believe it, because that required giving the troll credit for anticipating the long game, setting up a second account way back in February. But the evidence is becoming too strong.

Welcome back, troll. Stop creating threads just to trash our team.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
That's it. forgiven = IknoxvolsI. I didn't want to believe it, because that required giving the troll credit for anticipating the long game, setting up a second account way back in February. But the evidence is becoming too strong.

Welcome back, troll. Stop creating threads just to trash our team.
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needs mental help
 
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