Can Motor City be as loud a Neyland Stadium?

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#1ManningFan said:
Are you listening to yourself? Have you been there? It's wide OPEN! I can't put it any other way. Ain't no help. So WTF are you talking about? Have you been there? If not don't chime in like you know. Common sense.
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Easy. I've not been there. So no over hangs? Is that the issue?

I think it's true they have been recorded as louder, it has also been said that it wasn't all fan generated. I've got an idea how to generated noise it's called The Volcall.

Expect to win.
 
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#1ManningFan said:
Are you listening to yourself? Have you been there? It's wide OPEN! I can't put it any other way. Ain't no help. So WTF are you talking about? Have you been there? If not don't chime in like you know. Common sense.
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Iam4utalways said:
Easy. I've not been there. So no over hangs? Is that the issue?

I think it's true they have been recorded as louder, it has also been said that it wasn't all fan generated. I've got an idea how to generated noise it's called The Volcall.

Expect to win.
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It's still in part the stadium architecture. Really, the simpler explanation I've seen say the more important aspects are to keep the size of the stadium as small/close as possible, and to provide metal, reflecting surfaces that can turn the noise back to the crowd. Having a metal roof amplifies and redirects crowd noise back to the field; it traps noise and amplifies the volume. Positioning the fans close to the field (seating sections, not actual fans on the sidelines) also raises noise levels. Sound loses energy when it travels, and architects that have worked on stadiums in both Seattle and Kansas City have said that keeping a venue small/intimate is key.

Arrowhead doesn't have the same type of overhang architecture that say a field like Seattle's Century Field does to bounce back noise (though to be fair, Arrowhead having a third upper section - unlike Neyland, if we're making a direct comparison - does provide some architectural advantage in bouncing sound back, as an extra section over a seating section would do).

However, architects who have worked on both Century Field and Arrowhead have noted that Arrowhead actually has architectural advantages as well. The continuous seating bowl without openings on the end zone or around the corners helps a lot. Not to mention - if we're comparing Arrowhead and Century Field directly - Arrowhead also holds about 10,000 more people, and the suites in Kansas City are not enclosed


Open air (which the more completely open stadiums like Neyland are more prone to...and probably Bristol's makeshift football setup is as well, due to how wide and open it is) proves the biggest threat to noise level in a stadium's noise level (...essentially think of it as the open air soaking up the decibels).
 
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TrueOrange said:
It's still in part the stadium architecture. Really, the simpler explanation I've seen say the more important aspects are to keep the size of the stadium as small/close as possible, and to provide metal, reflecting surfaces that can turn the noise back to the crowd. Having a metal roof amplifies and redirects crowd noise back to the field; it traps noise and amplifies the volume. Positioning the fans close to the field (seating sections, not actual fans on the sidelines) also raises noise levels. Sound loses energy when it travels, and architects that have worked on stadiums in both Seattle and Kansas City have said that keeping a venue small/intimate is key.

Arrowhead doesn't have the same type of overhang architecture that say a field like Seattle's Century Field does to bounce back noise (though to be fair, Arrowhead having a third upper section - unlike Neyland, if we're making a direct comparison - does provide some architectural advantage in bouncing sound back, as an extra section over a seating section would do).

However, architects who have worked on both Century Field and Arrowhead have noted that Arrowhead actually has architectural advantages as well. The continuous seating bowl without openings on the end zone or around the corners helps a lot. Not to mention - if we're comparing Arrowhead and Century Field directly - Arrowhead also holds about 10,000 more people, and the suites in Kansas City are not enclosed


Open air (which the more completely open stadiums like Neyland are more prone to...and probably Bristol's makeshift football setup is as well, due to how wide and open it is) proves the biggest threat to noise level in a stadium's noise level (...essentially think of it as the open air soaking up the decibels).
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Also at times all those that can get loud don't, for one reason of another.

Go Vols!
 
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Who cares! Largest college football game in history. I'll be there. Be part of history! Who cares about noise? I don't!
 
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chargervol said:
Because the spring race is in a high rain time frame, there have been several discussions over the years of trying to add a roofing system.
The decibel level has been the largest obstacle.
They wouldn't even consider it now because attendance is down, but that was the discussion during the peak of attendance.
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That would be absolutely deafening. :biggrin:
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
The loudest stadiums tend to be those with big overhangs at or near the top of the bowl to reflect escaping sound back down in. Like Arrowhead stadium, with its two completely circular overhanging tiers to capture all the noise in the lower levels and redirect it down onto the field.

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Arrowhead has the record for loudest, btw: 142 dB. That's almost 30 dB more than our record at Neyland...and keep in mind, decibels are on a logarithmic scale, not linear.

But...Bristol also has measured noise at the 140 dB level (Just how loud does it get at Bristol Motor Speedway? | FOX Sports). And Bristol has some nice overhanging reflectors around three-fourths of the stadium:

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So...it's possible. If we collectively generate enough noise, Bristol's acoustics have proven to be up to the task of concentrating it.

Who knows? We might break two records this fall: most attended, and loudest. :)
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That's got to be from the cars though
 
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It's possible due to the increased crowd, but it has a similar (using this term very loosely) issue as The Big House in regards to getting loud...in the sense that it's not built to keep noise in as well as Neyland or The Swamp due to its more open bowl shape as opposed to a taller double decked stadium that allows less noise to escape.
 
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VolForLife83 said:
That's got to be from the cars though
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So there are two issues involved: how much noise (sound energy) is generated, and how much of that generated noise is directed down onto the field.

Everything starts with proximity. If your drill sergeant invades your private space with his mouth inches from your ear, then shouts in his loudest parade ground voice, he can generate up to 120 dB of sound energy at your eardrum.

That's just as "loud" (just as much energy hitting your ear) as a race car at a distance. Here are typical noise levels at a NASCAR race:
  • The pit area: up to and exceeding 130 decibels
  • The stands: 96 decibels
  • Inside a car during practice: 114 decibels
  • Racing: up to and exceeding 140 decibels
As you can see, a drill sergeant yelling in your ear can actually be louder--from your perspective--than a fleet of 40 NASCAR cars racing by when you are up in the bleachers.

So it's as much about how all that sound energy is directed and focused as it is about how loud the sound generator is at its origin (or all the generators are, in the case of 150,000 people yelling from the stands).

Put it differently: how many humans yelling at the top of their lungs would it take to generate the same sound energy as one race car? 30? 50? 100? Probably somewhere in that range. But there are 3,750 humans in the stands for each of those 40 cars. 150,000 people go a LONG way.

So yeah, when everyone is yelling and banging on the bleachers and generating as much sound energy as they can, outperforming 40 cars is no problem at all.

Now we just need the stadium to be shaped right acoustically to direct as much of that energy as possible down onto the field. And Bristol Motor Speedway seems to have been built brilliantly for that.
 
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The loudest I've ever heard Bristol, cars aside, is when #3 was introduced for the parade lap before a night race. It was pretty dang loud but it's just not comparable to the way that Neyland holds in sound. Obviously, the roar of college football fans would surely eclipse a driver introduction applause, anyways, but the in game noise level will be down due to the split fan bases. I'm sure they will do a decibal meter on the jumbo screens and tell the crowd to get loud as a whole, just to see. I'm curious what 160,000 fans can generate together.
 
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Escape Goat said:
That would be absolutely deafening. :biggrin:
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Like taking a chain saw and sitting in a metal oil drum.

Darlington Raceway used to have a section on the back stretch (old front stretch) that had an over hang. It was so freaking loud.
 
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I'm going to the game no matter where my seat is = Vol Fan

Too hard to get in and out, my seats are too far away, it won't be loud enough = get off my lawn
 
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OrangeIsLife said:
I'm going to the game no matter where my seat is = Vol Fan

Too hard to get in and out, my seats are too far away, it won't be loud enough = get off my lawn
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You kind of over-simplified some of people's concerns, but I think most of their points are valid. There is absolutely no where to stay around Bristol, and the few hotels they do have are already completely booked. Plus, it's a night game instead of a mid-afternoon/evening game which means it won't be over till close to midnight.

Plus, with the way the parking situation is set up, I have heard after race days it can take upwards of 2- 3 hours for some people to get out of there.

Now, I still really want to go, and I am going to do my best to make it there, but you aren't part of the "get off my lawn" crowd if you decide not to go.
 
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chargervol said:
Seriously though, they make attempts at racetracks to decrease noise for obvious reasons.
That task is almost impossible at a place like Bristol but by enlarging the size of the bowl, I can't imagine it will be as loud as Neyland.
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So how does a race track decrease noise? If anyone was there the night Earnhardt wrecked Terry Labonte, believe me, the place can get loud.
 
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phil former said:
So how does a race track decrease noise? If anyone was there the night Earnhardt wrecked Terry Labonte, believe me, the place can get loud.
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Opposite of how stadiums try to increase noise.
Some materials, shapes and over hangs reflect more than others.
Doesn't mean they always choose the the dampening option but when it's fiscally an option, they make an attempt.
 
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chargervol said:
Opposite of how stadiums try to increase noise.
Some materials, shapes and over hangs reflect more than others.
Doesn't mean they always choose the the dampening option but when it's fiscally an option, they make an attempt.
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Interesting thought: the actual loudest place in most sports stadiums would generally be about 200-300 feet above the field.

Like a parabolic dish antenna, much of the energy hitting the bowl tends to be directed at a focal point above the center of the bowl.

Right where the Gargantua-Tron is going to be in Bristol.

I sure hope the engineers did a lot of harmonic frequency analysis on the pieces of that beast, and its support cables. It's gonna be taking in a lot of energy....
 
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griffdog14 said:
i hope they play Enter Sandman for Virginia Tech. That would be cool to see
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People love it and it's a great song, but at this point it's become one of the most cliched shortlisted entrance songs in sports.
 
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My wife said that the Bristol race was the loudest place she had ever been to and she has been to a bunch of tracks. That full bowl should make it fun. Go Vols!!
 
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#1ManningFan said:
Are you listening to yourself? Have you been there? It's wide OPEN! I can't put it any other way. Ain't no help. So WTF are you talking about? Have you been there? If not don't chime in like you know. Common sense.
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Yes I am. I'm not trying to start an argument here, but 100,000 is a lot more than 76,000. That noise level is impressive, no doubt, but look at the numbers (capacity) and you can see why people justify it that way.
 
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checkerboards09 said:
Yes I am. I'm not trying to start an argument here, but 100,000 is a lot more than 76,000. That noise level is impressive, no doubt, but look at the numbers (capacity) and you can see why people justify it that way.
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It's much more about acoustics than numbers.
 
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