Calling MZTERRY

#51
#51
I personally don't boo and I don't like it. Its not like its going to fire the players/coaches/recruits up. I think its tacky.
Having said the price of tickets aint cheap college coaches make a bunch of money to put a quality product out there. If people are dissatisfied and they want to boo the team who am i to tell them to stop.
 
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#VFL__ said:
Bingo. Could you imagine coming back home after the past two games, only to get booed? Even as you are winning. Its ridiculous but that's life. People always want MOAR
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so how should a proper fan express their displeasure in the coaching and/or play-calling?
 
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utvolpj said:
and you know this how? You admitted to not even realizing it was directed at UT

in the example I gave, any booing after the 3rd down incompletion could be taken as directed at Worley when it was actually meant for the play-calling. Jumping into the minds of 100k people is a difficult thing
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She is right. it was directed at Worley.
 
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utvolpj said:
so how should a proper fan express their displeasure in the coaching and/or play-calling?
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Send emails that include your name, contact information, and qualifications to judge his decisions. That way, there can be mutual accountability and the opportunity for meaningful dialog.

Or you could start booing, sending a message to the kids on the field and the kids in the stands that may have eventually been of the field before seeing how stupid the fanbase is, and decide to sign somewhere else instead.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Send emails that include your name, contact information, and qualifications to judge his decisions. That way, there can be mutual accountability and the opportunity for meaningful dialog.

Or you could start booing, sending a message to the kids on the field and the kids in the stands that may have eventually been of the field before seeing how stupid the fanbase is, and decide to sign somewhere else instead.
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so I have to have been a football coach to critique the coaching decisions? Being up by 7pts late in the 4th quarter and putting together a 1min long, 3 and out drive has nuances I've missed because of not coaching an SEC game?

Brillovol said:
Stay home.
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so an empty Neyland is better than booing certain decisions? Interesting
 
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#58
We spend 100$ for a ticket to see our team for 3 hours on Saturday.

The kids spend their entire life in preparation for that Saturday. Their workouts are beyond comprehension to most fans. Booing your team sucks and so do the nit watts that do it.
Most of the boo birds never attended UT and don't deserve to speak the players name, much less cast judgement with a boo.

Jmo
 
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MZTERRY said:
If my son was getting bashed like I seen your son getting it a few games ago I would have went on the worst cussing spree anyone has ever read on here.

I've learned it ain't worth the argument, and at the end of the day as in the past 19yrs..... I'm the one person who is always going to be in his corner; right wrong or indifferent, and the only VOL Fan I wake up has been there for the past 20 years. (MY HUBBY), so it doesn't phase me to flip out like I probably would have a while back. None of the kids are perfect and they're still in a learning curve. Croomster is working his tail off to do what's being asked of him. Azzanni spends a good amount of time him explaining and demonstrating his expectations of Croomster; which is becoming more evident in the past few games. I think with the relationship they have and are building; we'll be okay.
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This is what I see from the outside. It appears they are working very hard. If they continue, it will payoff for all involved in the long run.

You are handling things very well MZ. Terry. Take it from one of those nosy and crazy Clevevegas types. :)

GBO
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Guess you didn't pay much attention to all the Justin Hunter or Arian Foster hate. Go back a little further and throw in Casey Clausen too. It's a sad trend. I've often wondered how unique it is to UT but I've never felt like spending enough time on rival teams boards to find out.
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Arian was criticized for fumbling... which was legit. Hunter was criticized for sandbagging... which was legit (regardless of whether or not you are ok with it). I don't think that should be considered "bashing". I think most everyone at the time supported those players and recognized their positive contributions. Doesn't mean they are above occasional criticism.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
We spend 100$ for a ticket to see our team for 3 hours on Saturday.

The kids spend their entire life in preparation for that Saturday. Their workouts are beyond comprehension to most fans. Booing your team sucks and so do the nit watts that do it.
Most of the boo birds never attended UT and don't deserve to speak the players name, much less cast judgement with a boo.

Jmo
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so just keep writing the check and shut up? Solid plan
 
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utvolpj said:
I have no clue when the booing in the stadium occurred but I booed at home over the playcalling late in the game. For example, 8-9min left and go 3 and out with 2 plays being incomplete passes. We burned less than a minute and handed the ball right back to a team who was only down 7 points.

why is it wrong to express displeasure with the coaching or play-calling?
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It is booing kids. Pro sports and you see lack of effort then boo all you want. I screamed at Dools at mizzou game when I saw what I saw at the end and yelled to fire him then and on the spot. But, did not boo the kids.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
We spend 100$ for a ticket to see our team for 3 hours on Saturday.

The kids spend their entire life in preparation for that Saturday. Their workouts are beyond comprehension to most fans. Booing your team sucks and so do the nit watts that do it.
Most of the boo birds never attended UT and don't deserve to speak the players name, much less cast judgement with a boo.

Jmo
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:ermm:
 
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utvolpj said:
so I have to have been a football coach to critique the coaching decisions? Being up by 7pts late in the 4th quarter and putting together a 1min long, 3 and out drive has nuances I've missed because of not coaching an SEC game?



so an empty Neyland is better than booing certain decisions? Interesting
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Take out the boo-ers and you lose only about 10k fans. Nice try.
 
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MZTERRY said:
I'm on the boards reading all of the time.lol

I'm learning not to respond to off base stupid comments and accepting that every game is different. Some people are true fans some are "game day fans"...on the band wagon for whomever does well that game.lol

I'm proud of Jason and the strides he's making to be better, do better, and support the team as a whole.

I'm not going to respond to any of the questions regarding CBJ and staff. Many of you have begun to form your own opinions

~I see many of you beginning to speak negatively about the coaching

~i was shocked out of seat when i heard the booing at the game Saturday, actually the first time it happen i thought you were doing it towards USA, then my nephew told me"no, Auntie"..etc smh

The one thing i can say is this is the hardest fan base to please, and the same thing that i hate about this fan base is the same thing that i respect so much. We came to UT because of the passionate people, Dooley, Baggett and Terry Joseph...in that order, and we remain VFL because of you passionate people.
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I was there, and I heard the rumbling and a few boos. Most people (including me) were not doing that though. I hope with all the recruits coming for the GA game, that fans can be classy.
 
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utvolpj said:
so I have to have been a football coach to critique the coaching decisions? Being up by 7pts late in the 4th quarter and putting together a 1min long, 3 and out drive has nuances I've missed because of not coaching an SEC game?



so an empty Neyland is better than booing certain decisions? Interesting
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I think a rational fan would:

A. Give the product more than 5 games to show progress.
B. Realize ZERO good can come from booing a collegiate team.(deflates moral of the players and sends a rotten messege to potential recruits) The only thing it does is make us look like spoiled self-entitle babies. IMO
 
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utvolpj said:
so just keep writing the check and shut up? Solid plan
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If you actually write a BIG enough check that matters, then go talk to the coach. You will get an opportunity to do so. Wait and see what happens with this coach before five games.

Coach Mike Smith of my Falcons made some horrible decisions recently but look where the Falcons have been and look at his five years. Good coaches are not going to be perfect. Time will tell if CBJ is really a good coach that can run this program. A few play calls here and there will not determine it at this point. Atleast not for me.
 
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I'll admit that I understand your decision to be unhappy with the play calling in the 4th that took no time off the clock, etc. But two things:

1) When you boo the coach, the kids probably think you're booing them b/c they didn't pick up a first down. Why confuse a college kid with shaky confidence already? Chronic booing leads the kids to developing negative perceptions of their on fans. I.E. Arian Foster

2) You have the luxury of hindsight
 
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Majorvol23 said:
2) You have the luxury of hindsight
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except I yelled it on first down too. I remember because my wife gave me a serious glare for almost waking my son

JacketVol said:
If you actually write a BIG enough check that matters, then go talk to the coach. You will get an opportunity to do so. Wait and see what happens with this coach before five games.

Coach Mike Smith of my Falcons made some horrible decisions recently but look where the Falcons have been and look at his five years. Good coaches are not going to be perfect. Time will tell if CBJ is really a good coach that can run this program. A few play calls here and there will not determine it at this point. Atleast not for me.
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I've never claimed to write a check like that

why would we need to wait to criticize what we view as bad coaching decisions? CBJ has been a coach for a long time
 
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utvolpj said:
so I have to have been a football coach to critique the coaching decisions?
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Not at all, however as with any other facet of life, knowing someone's level of knowledge on a specific subject should have bearing on how much credence you give to their opinion.

I think Donald Trump would want to know your level of high end real estate knowledge before taking your advice on how to better perform in the future, after a deal going south.

Anyone can scream and cry because "that didn't work out how I wanted it to".

utvolpj said:
Being up by 7pts late in the 4th quarter and putting together a 1min long, 3 and out drive has nuances I've missed because of not coaching an SEC game?
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Translation: "That didn't work out how I wanted it to." No duh.


But this is all kind of a red herring, no? You wanted to communicate with the coaches. I gave a fairly healthy way for you to communicate. It involved the ability to state explicitly what your concerns are, the ability to state qualifications for proposing a solution, the ability to state a solution, and the basis of ongoing communication if the coach decided, somehow, that you are qualified to do his job and/or somehow decided that he answers to you.

But I don't think you are really looked for an opportunity to communicate with the coaches. I think you were more in the market for "emotional release." Booing fits the bill on that one. It's about you and nothing constructive for the program. It hurts the players. I hurts recruiting. But you get to blow off some steam, and you really showed the coaches. So...

Knock yourself out.
 
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utvolpj said:
so just keep writing the check and shut up? Solid plan
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I'm not happy with plays or play calls sometimes either. Frankly, I'm frustrated to the boiling point over the past several years, but this just a game. This is supposed to be fun. These players are out there doing their best and so are the coaches.

We need to stay classy and pretend as if these are our sons out there. For some people like MZTerry, it IS their son. I could never imagine booing my daughter for any reason, no matter how poor the performance. If that doesn't help, think about it this way: would you boo if you were sitting next to CBJ's wife and kids?
 
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Brillovol said:
I'm not happy with plays or play calls sometimes either. Frankly, I'm frustrated to the boiling point over the past several years, but this just a game. This is supposed to be fun. These players are out there doing their best and so are the coaches.
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then why ever fire a coach? They're all just doing the best they can and we should just watch for fun
 
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utvolpj said:
except I yelled it on first down too. I remember because my wife gave me a serious glare for almost waking my son
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well ok, but what about point 1? Do you think your booing has an impact on the kids although it's directed to the coach? You think Worley, who just threw an incomplete pass thinks, "Oh, they're not booing me, they're booing coach"
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Not at all, however as with any other facet of life, knowing someone's level of knowledge on a specific subject should have bearing on how much credence you give to their opinion.

I think Donald Trump would want to know your level of high end real estate knowledge before taking your advice on how to better perform in the future, after a deal going south.

Anyone can scream and cry because "that didn't work out how I wanted it to".



Translation: "That didn't work out how I wanted it to." No duh.


But this is all kind of a red herring, no? You wanted to communicate with the coaches. I gave a fairly healthy way for you to communicate. It involved the ability to state explicitly what your concerns are, the ability to state qualifications for proposing a solution, the ability to state a solution, and the basis of ongoing communication if the coach decided, somehow, that you are qualified to do his job and/or somehow decided that he answers to you.

But I don't think you are really looked for an opportunity to communicate with the coaches. I think you were more in the market for "emotional release." Booing fits the bill on that one. It's about you and nothing constructive for the program. It hurts the players. I hurts recruiting. But you get to blow off some steam, and you really showed the coaches. So...

Knock yourself out.
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Well said, but I doubt we made a dent. :good!::loco:
 
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