California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Bear Arms

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Wearing bulletproof vests and carrying 40-caliber Glock pistols, nine California Justice Department agents assembled outside a ranch-style house in a suburb east of Los Angeles. They were looking for a gun owner who’d recently spent two days in a mental hospital.

They knocked on the door and asked to come in. About 45 minutes later, they came away peacefully with three firearms.

California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Bear Arms - Bloomberg

Is it possible for a simple insomnia issue which millions of Americans suffer are considered mentally ill too? Is it possible that prescribing of psychotropics to millions of people was done deliberately so they may not be eligible to bear arms? Starting from children, youth, etc.

One never know why U.S is one of the first major countries to have millions under mental health status?

This is a very slippery slope we are dealing with here.
 
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I'm sure he's the most dangerous gun owner in all of LA. Maybe they should take away all the guns owned illegally first. Or maybe they could concentrate on solving all the outstanding violent crimes in their city.

this was simply low-hanging fruit and made no one safer
 
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Interesting take on the whole prescription deal.... I can't tell you how many kids I know of who were prescribed ritalin and other drugs for supposed "ADD/ADHD" diagnoses... If the gov't uses that to prevent gun ownership for thise so prescribed, it will only reinforce my belief that the whole thing was a sham to begin with....
 
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bluetickhound16 said:
Culturally (for the most part) and politically (practically in it's entirety) yes... Geographically, California is a beautiful state. Much like France however, the problem there is that California is full of Californians....
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Due to the geography, I have always kind of wanted to live there (some time in northern CA, some in SoCal) for a few years, but the people and politics have made sure that's not legitimately on my radar.
 
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From the article: Almost 20,000 gun owners in the state are prohibited from possessing firearms, including convicted felons, those under a domestic violence restraining order or deemed mentally unstable.

Now, there are an estimated 175,000 gang members in the Los Angeles area alone. How many of them are legal gun owners? Why are they not confiscating their weapons? http://www.ph.ucla.edu/sciprc/pdf/GANG_VIOLENCE.pdf
 
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One wonder if the problem is that none of you can read, or that none of you bothers to read.



"In an interview as agents inventoried the guns, Lynette Phillips said that while she’d been held involuntarily in a mental hospital in December, the nurse who admitted her had exaggerated the magnitude of her condition.

Todd Smith, chief executive officer of Aurora Charter Oak Hospital in Covina, where documents provided by Phillips show she was treated, didn’t respond to telephone and e-mail requests for comment on the circumstances of the treatment.


Phillips said her husband used the guns for recreation. She didn’t blame the attorney general’s agents for taking the guns based on the information they had, she said.
“I do feel I have every right to purchase a gun,” Phillips said. “I’m not a threat. We’re law-abiding citizens.”
 
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It's a conspiracy, lg. We all got together and planned this (and many other threads) just to bait you into making one of your typically nonsensical, snotty responses. It works every time!
 
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lawgator1 said:
One wonder if the problem is that none of you can read, or that none of you bothers to read.



"In an interview as agents inventoried the guns, Lynette Phillips said that while she’d been held involuntarily in a mental hospital in December, the nurse who admitted her had exaggerated the magnitude of her condition.

Todd Smith, chief executive officer of Aurora Charter Oak Hospital in Covina, where documents provided by Phillips show she was treated, didn’t respond to telephone and e-mail requests for comment on the circumstances of the treatment.


Phillips said her husband used the guns for recreation. She didn’t blame the attorney general’s agents for taking the guns based on the information they had, she said.
“I do feel I have every right to purchase a gun,” Phillips said. “I’m not a threat. We’re law-abiding citizens.”
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I don't see how what you posted changes the OP. There is question about whether or not she has mental problems. Her and her husbands guns were seized. She believes she has the right to own an possess yet is being denied that right based on incomplete evidence.
 
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First, the reference in the OP to the lady just having insomnia is simply false. There is no such reference in the article. Fact is, we don't know why she was placed in the mental health facility as they will not disclose her records. Second, the lady herself says that, while she thinks that the facility exaggerated her problem, she does not fault the law enforcement officers based on the information they had to have taken the guns.

Its not like she can't try to get them back. There will be a hearing and she can demonstrate that there is no risk.

Honestly, whatever exaggeration occurred at the hospital is 1/10th as bad as the exaggeration of the article and the 1/100th as bad as the made up facts in the OP.
 
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volinbham said:
I don't see how what you posted changes the OP. There is question about whether or not she has mental problems. Her and her husbands guns were seized. She believes she has the right to own an possess yet is being denied that right based on incomplete evidence.
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What was her problem? Do you know? Was it insomnia, as OP suggested? I don't see where the F that is coming from. And the lady herself said whatever was reported was enough in her mind to justify what the cops did here.
 
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lawgator1 said:
First, the reference in the OP to the lady just having insomnia is simply false. There is no such reference in the article. Fact is, we don't know why she was placed in the mental health facility as they will not disclose her records. Second, the lady herself says that, while she thinks that the facility exaggerated her problem, she does not fault the law enforcement officers based on the information they had to have taken the guns.

Its not like she can't try to get them back. There will be a hearing and she can demonstrate that there is no risk.

Honestly, whatever exaggeration occurred at the hospital is 1/10th as bad as the exaggeration of the article and the 1/100th as bad as the made up facts in the OP.
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funny you don't see any issue with the eval coming from a nurse and not a professional psychiatrist. Now this person's rights are taken away by one unqualified person's opinion about her mental state.

but hey, more work for the lawyers. I hope SWAT vehicles are easier to catch
 
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utvolpj said:
funny you don't see any issue with the eval coming from a nurse and not a professional psychiatrist. Now this person's rights are taken away by one unqualified person's opinion about her mental state.

but hey, more work for the lawyers. I hope SWAT vehicles are easier to catch
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Conveniently glossed over as it doesn't fit lg's crusade to disarm ALL private individuals....
 
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utvolpj said:
funny you don't see any issue with the eval coming from a nurse and not a professional psychiatrist. Now this person's rights are taken away by one unqualified person's opinion about her mental state.

but hey, more work for the lawyers. I hope SWAT vehicles are easier to catch
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How do you know a doctor did not make the diagnosis, or sign off on it if it was by a nurse? You don't have the record,s so you don't know what was in them.

Whatever was in there, the lady herself said justified the cops' actions.
 
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a problem is people are being forced to prove they are worthy of a right granted to them. Seems really backwards based on the Constitution and our legal system. The govt should actually have the burden placed on them

we've been drugging up kids and adults alike for years because of some mental issues that really didn't exist a generation ago. This will just make is easier for the govt to play shrink and take away rights. They weren't going to do this all at once
 
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lawgator1 said:
How do you know a doctor did not make the diagnosis, or sign off on it if it was by a nurse? You don't have the record,s so you don't know what was in them.

Whatever was in there, the lady herself said justified the cops' actions.
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then it should have to be proven first. Removing rights without even having a hearing should be illegal.
 
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utvolpj said:
a problem is people are being forced to prove they are worthy of a right granted to them. Seems really backwards based on the Constitution and our legal system. The govt should actually have the burden placed on them

we've been drugging up kids and adults alike for years because of some mental issues that really didn't exist a generation ago. This will just make is easier for the govt to play shrink and take away rights. They weren't going to do this all at once
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If someone licensed and working in a mental health facility indicates that a patient is a danger to have guns, you are damn skippy I want them taken until it can be sorted out.
 
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I cannot believe the utter insanity and stupidity of what you are saying pj. I mean seriously, if the cops did not act and the lady went and shot up an old employer's office and killed a bunch of people, they'd be getting sued out the wazoo.

THE LADY HERSELF SAID SHE AGREED WITH THEIR ACTIONS BASED ON WHAT THEY KNEW.

Seriously, you need to just stop.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If someone licensed and working in a mental health facility indicates that a patient is a danger to have guns, you are damn skippy I want them taken until it can be sorted out.
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a 2 day eval for a woman who (to our knowledge) had never show any other tendencies that required removing her gun?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I cannot believe the utter insanity and stupidity of what you are saying pj. I mean seriously, if the cops did not act and the lady went and shot up an old employer's office and killed a bunch of people, they'd be getting sued out the wazoo.

THE LADY HERSELF SAID SHE AGREED WITH THEIR ACTIONS BASED ON WHAT THEY KNEW.

Seriously, you need to just stop.
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For a lawyer you seem to really ignore precedent. If this is allowed to stand then California can use this same justification for others.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I cannot believe the utter insanity and stupidity of what you are saying pj. I mean seriously, if the cops did not act and the lady went and shot up an old employer's office and killed a bunch of people, they'd be getting sued out the wazoo.
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strawman but I hope she sues the bejeezus out of them if this is an overreaction.

lawgator1 said:
THE LADY HERSELF SAID SHE AGREED WITH THEIR ACTIONS BASED ON WHAT THEY KNEW.

Seriously, you need to just stop.
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she's a "law-abiding citizen" and just had Swat come to her house. They rarely fight back right away

she also said:

I do feel I have every right to purchase a gun,” Phillips said. “I’m not a threat.
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but I'm sure that nurse knows better than she does
 
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utvolpj said:
a 2 day eval for a woman who (to our knowledge) had never show any other tendencies that required removing her gun?
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If they say she is a danger, yes.

The lady herself said she does not blame the cops for doing it based on what they were told.
 
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