Bye Week topic: SEC Officiating.

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As long as humans are involved, there will always be mistakes and hindsight will always be 20/20. No way to fix it short of camera reviewing every single play for penalties. Then every play will realistically have penalties and we will have a 7 hour ball game.
 
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walkenvol said:
I think it’s the constant replays with high definition TV’s and the official reviews. Probably the same officiating we’ve always had just never knew how bad it was before.
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I think in some ways you’re right…Florida game years ago would have been a win. But I also think that refs use replay as a crutch as well and maybe regress w their abilities. Should be a rule though that if a ref 5 feet away from a play doesn’t call something, then the ref 30 yards away shouldn’t be able to throw a flag…closer guy should have had him pick up the flag. Nonsense.
 
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If anyone thinks officials aren’t being pressured in some form to sway games, they are mistaken. Take State for example. If someone such as another Saban was in his second year there, the outcome would be much different this past weekend. It’s not just bad calls or no calls or even the nitpicking calls. It when and where the calls are or are not being made that influence the game.
 
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I say that we need a training program for officials. And we're a multimillion-dollar sport. Pay them more money and give them bonuses as an incentive to try to do a great job. And referees, if they live in the area of a rival school or a graduate of said rival school (like Steve Shaw of Alabama and Alhama Matthews of Vandy), they CANNOT coach your game. Even though it was 25 years ago and I am now 48 years old, I still get pissed every time I think of the dropped pass in the End Zone that Alhama Matthews called for Florida that won them the game. He is a Vandy alum who has hated us for years, especially when he was a receiver for the Commodores that had a call go against him when they played us in Knoxville in 1981.
 
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We don’t need every play reviewed, but there should be a certain number of challenges. The main thing is to get a major miss, at least with a certain number of challenges each team could have any major call looked at. And the replay booth or the sec office also has the power to look at something they potentially see as well. Refs shouldn’t look at is as a mess up, lots of times them plays are very close and anybody could miss. And even on a bad miss it’s tough when a ref is running to always see interference. Your eyes are sometimes not moving in the right direction. That happened in the Auburn-Oklahoma game on one long pass play in the end zone. The ref was running to stay out of the way and his head got turned the wrong way and he missed a big push off. A challenge flag to the booth would have overturned the call. GBO
 
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Accuracy rate performance based compensations and ranking system based on in game calls and after game review. You get equally dinged for missed calls or calls made that were wrong (but extra if it halted a drive that could have get going, kept a drive going that shouldn’t have - especially if it resulted in points, or took points off the board - or kept them on it in the case of a missed call). Let the numbers speak for themselves and dictate who gets the privilege of being in such an important role. Put some pressure (and incentive) on these zebras.
 
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wtmvol said:
They tried to start making PI reviewable in the NFL and it didn't work.

I don't think officiating has gotten worse over the years, and if it has it's because officials have been tasked with seeing more (like targeting). A few decades ago, college refs didn't even have to identify the number of the person they called the flag on, and there was only so much we could complain about, because we were watching in glorious SD and could barely make out the teams. I think if we replayed games from the 20th century in HD and scrutinized each call/no-call, today's refs would come out looking pretty good.
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It didn't work in the NFL because the refs that made the initial call were to petty to reverse calls they'd clearly blown. It (replay) needs to be removed from the control of on field officials.
 
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What's funny is we hear "Oh my God, this official is so dumb, he probably never played the game!" to now hearing "Oh my God, he played at the D1 level, he's a biased prick!" Talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Legitimate question: What is stopping anyone on here from going through the process to become an official since they want their opinion/judgement to matter so much? You demand the guys out there to call it as you see it from your couch and 80" TV. It's very well known how to get into it, so what's stopping you? That's the easiest way to ensure it's called the way you want it to be called.
 
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McDad said:
Generally, fans of the game are dissatisfied with officiating. It may be recency bias, but it seems like it is not improving. In fact, I think most everyone (fans, coaches, and media) will all agree it is getting worse. The problems are not limited to the SEC or the college game. It looks like this is true in all conferences and in the pro game.

So, what (if anything) can be done? Is it the resolution of cameras which make the bad calls more obvious? Does the modern game simply move too fast for the human eye? Do we need more officials, more cameras, more reviews?

What can be done to minimize the human error of officiating?
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When a ref makes a Questionable call that takes away points from a team. There should be a automatic review. The object should be to get the call correct! One loss from a bad call can affect the season for a team and literally cost millions of $$$$ that are bet on the final score of these games. We owe it to players, coaches and betters to get the damn call correct! 🤔 :mad:
 
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McDad said:
Generally, fans of the game are dissatisfied with officiating. It may be recency bias, but it seems like it is not improving. In fact, I think most everyone (fans, coaches, and media) will all agree it is getting worse. The problems are not limited to the SEC or the college game. It looks like this is true in all conferences and in the pro game.

So, what (if anything) can be done? Is it the resolution of cameras which make the bad calls more obvious? Does the modern game simply move too fast for the human eye? Do we need more officials, more cameras, more reviews?

What can be done to minimize the human error of officiating?
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A few years ago at one of the NCAA regional at UT the NCAA announcer said before the first game began that officials are exiting the profession 4X the rate of people starting out. That just says experience is walking out. On the top end are they being paid enough to keep them going and on the starting out end young people do not think dealing with rude and over the top parents and coaches is worth it. Someone is going to have to show some leadership and change things to identify and retain the best, and then how to keep younger officials from leaving before ever reaching the P5 level. It really is becoming a crisis.
 
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They will care when it starts effecting the bottom line. Until then it doesn’t matter. Some of these calls you cannot tell me someone isn’t getting paid under the table for them. I’m not even talking about our games. The OU/Auburn game for example; there’s no way that crew should work another game ever. It’s passed the point of incompetence.
 
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kckempf said:
The funny thing is the review process as-is is intentionally slower than it can be. The review can be conducted and finished from the booth without the input of the game officials at all. The whole ceremony of having the game officials stop and look at the play is only meant to reinforce the power of the officials on the field — more of a face-saving move than anything else.
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This has bothered me from day one with the review. What is the purpose of the official going over there to look anyway, he just needs an earpiece.Let the booth tell him what's going on.He relays it to the audience.
 
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I kinda wanna create a big spreadsheet that tracks every missed call in Tennessee football games, who the head official is in the game and what our record is with those officials. Hard to diagnose the scope or cause of the problem without good data.

A lot of strange things happen when former Alabama QB David Smith is officiating our football games.
 
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DazzleVol said:
This has bothered me from day one with the review. What is the purpose of the official going over there to look anyway, he just needs an earpiece.Let the booth tell him what's going on.He relays it to the audience.
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Yep, and require a clip of everything that runs across their screen on every call reviewed to both schools. That would eliminate blind eye upheld decisions to help their buds out.

EVERY PLAY should be challengeable for all boundary, planes, formations and clock rulings or misses. Pretty clear evidence, not judgement.
 
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whobethis16 said:
What's funny is we hear "Oh my God, this official is so dumb, he probably never played the game!" to now hearing "Oh my God, he played at the D1 level, he's a biased prick!" Talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Legitimate question: What is stopping anyone on here from going through the process to become an official since they want their opinion/judgement to matter so much? You demand the guys out there to call it as you see it from your couch and 80" TV. It's very well known how to get into it, so what's stopping you? That's the easiest way to ensure it's called the way you want it to be called.
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Your legitimate question has nothing to do with the thread topic. We have seen calls good and bad in every sport by different crews. Being a bias prick or never playing the game has nothing to do with the issue nor is it a call to get someone into parttime career to officiate in any sport.

IOW identify the problem and fix it. Calling a group of any forum group to officiate will just screw the pooch up even more. I think more oversight and technology is the correct answer with limited coaches challenges.

Reason it has not been done yet is time and advertising which boils down to money.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Your legitimate question has nothing to do with the thread topic. We have seen calls good and bad in every sport by different crews. Being a bias prick or never playing the game has nothing to do with the issue nor is it a call to get someone into parttime career to officiate in any sport.

IOW identify the problem and fix it. Calling a group of any forum group to officiate will just screw the pooch up even more. I think more oversight and technology is the correct answer with limited coaches challenges.

Reason it has not been done yet is time and advertising which boils down to money.
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Have you missed all the people crying about the Bama QB (from nearly 40 years ago) calling our games? They definitely think it's an issue. There's one just 2 posts above your comment.

But regarding the rest, they also seem to think it's this luscious career path and that the money is that great and everything else. If it's really all that, then what's stopping them from getting into it?
 
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whobethis16 said:
Have you missed all the people crying about the Bama QB (from nearly 40 years ago) calling our games? They definitely think it's an issue.
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Yea I have read it, you went off topic with your suggestion. Second, Fix the problem. If this is a problem then ensure that this does not happen again and put in place a system that bias does not come into play. It has gone on for years, the Gaffney catch, the LSU substitute rule, 2 bad calls in the Music City Bowl (NC State & Purdue). This year Auburn/OK game.
There is more than just one problem. Training, reviews, bias or prejudice all come into play. If a ref can call a play 20 yds away and not confer with another official 5 yards from the play, then, yes there is a reason to question the call. There are fixes, coach's challenge example. PI are not reviewable but TDs should be.
Clean up the game officials. Woman's softball (World Series) game this year. Had to go to the rule book to determine it was not interference.

no I did not miss it but he made the call? or somebody else did. He was not in position to make the call and it really was not his area of concern if he was a line coach. Maybe he thought throw the flag it is not reviewable, who cares it is over. Move on and hope that the NCAA and SEC make changes to fix these type situations. Time to move on.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Yea I have read it, you went off topic with your suggestion. Second, Fix the problem. If this is a problem then ensure that this does not happen again and put in place a system that bias does not come into play. It has gone on for years, the Gaffney catch, the LSU substitute rule, 2 bad calls in the Music City Bowl (NC State & Purdue). This year Auburn/OK game.
There is more than just one problem. Training, reviews, bias or prejudice all come into play. If a ref can call a play 20 yds away and not confer with another official 5 yards from the play, then, yes there is a reason to question the call. There are fixes, coach's challenge example. PI are not reviewable but TDs should be.
Clean up the game officials. Woman's softball (World Series) game this year. Had to go to the rule book to determine it was not interference.

no I did not miss it but he made the call? or somebody else did. He was not in position to make the call and it really was not his area of concern if he was a line coach. Maybe he thought throw the flag it is not reviewable, who cares it is over. Move on and hope that the NCAA and SEC make changes to fix these type situations. Time to move on.
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So you're mad that the WCWS game reviewed it and made sure they got it right?

How do you know he was out of position? You been trained in officiating, so you know what proper positioning is or are you just looking at it from your couch? That's the point. People are constantly saying they are wrong, but have no training or real knowledge of what positioning and the training is like.

And didn't you just say on the first comment I responded to, and I quote, "Being a biased prick or never playing the game has nothing to do with the issue"? But now in this comment "bias or prejudice come into play"? Which is it?
 
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whobethis16 said:
So you're mad that the WCWS game reviewed it and made sure they got it right?

How do you know he was out of position? You been trained in officiating, so you know what proper positioning is or are you just looking at it from your couch? That's the point. People are constantly saying they are wrong, but have no training or real knowledge of what positioning and the training is like.

And didn't you just say on the first comment I responded to, and I quote, "Being a biased prick or never playing the game has nothing to do with the issue"? But now in this comment "bias or prejudice come into play"? Which is it?
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Incorrigible aren't we?

The softball game got it right, so be it. Reason: It is was a non reviewable play but had to look deep and took them 15-20 minutes to figure out their out.

Miss St game: The official was 20 yards from the actual play. Yes he was out of position especially when there were two closer Officials that did not call it. No training needed.

Couch, you can see more. You get replays as well. There are officials watching from their chairs as well. Not a reviewable play is the problem. Easy fix. Always told to never wrestle with a hard headed pig.

Again you have managed to try to explain away a bad call. I never officiated but knew several and I know what they go through in the aftermath. What we have seen in all the games this year this is just one incident in many.

Does not matter in this case but in other games, it did.
 
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