Buzz Williams Put on Probation

[butchna]

No, it's Will Wade's own voice, clearly telling Christian Dawkins that he had made Javonte Smart "a strong a$$ offer". That is substantial. You also have context provided by Dawkins. Major college athletic programs have been sanctioned by the NCAA for less than this... and with less compelling evidence than this too.

I don’t doubt it’s his voice…or any of the allegations. Just sayin you can’t trot out an ABC After School Special and penalize a school. Dawkins has to do it in a sworn deposition for the NCAA for it to proceed and that doesn’t seem likely. It’s not the severity of the allegations, it’s the verifiable casework.

 

[butchna]

They already have cooperation from Christian Dawkins. His cooperation did not need to be compelled. The NCAA's Committee on Infractions certainly can use the HBO documentary as evidence in making their case against Will Wade. It contains information relevant to their investigation and it reflects the public record, which can be used at their discretion. The NCAA has jurisdiction over these alleged violations, and they have every right to sanction LSU and Wade for those violations.

The FBI had cooperation…not the NCAA. They need to build their own case…not switch on the satellite.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I don’t doubt it’s his voice…or any of the allegations. Just sayin you can’t trot out an ABC After School Special and penalize a school. Dawkins has to do it in a sworn deposition for the NCAA for it to proceed and that doesn’t seem likely. It’s not the severity of the allegations, it’s the verifiable casework.

That simply is not true. What is a matter of public record, which has already been authenticated by Dawkins, is substantial enough to garner NCAA sanctions.

 

[BowlBrother85]

The FBI had cooperation…not the NCAA. They need to build their own case…not switch on the satellite.

Not when the substance of the FBI's case has become a matter of public record, which also falls under the purview of a parallel investigation being conducted by the NCAA's Committee on Infractions.

 

[butchna]

That simply is not true. What is a matter of public record, which has already been authenticated by Dawkins, is substantial enough to garner NCAA sanctions.

It is true. What example do you have in any NCAA investigation where they copied and pasted from the internet?

 

[butchna]

Not when the substance of the FBI's case has become a matter of public record, which also falls under the purview of a parallel investigation being conducted by the NCAA's Committee on Infractions.

Keep saying “public record” over and over again in a mantra. Doesn’t make it any more true.

 

[BowlBrother85]

It is true. What example do you have in any NCAA investigation where they copied and pasted from the internet?

Why wouldn't the NCAA's Committee on Infractions be able to use publicly available information at their disposal, when they are investigating one of their member institutions for alleged violations which fall under the jurisdiction of the NCAA, and the purview of the Committee on Infractions? The premise of your logic is inane. It's like you think that NCAA investigators can only apply evidence to a case, which they can take credit themselves for uncovering. That is absurd.

 

[butchna]

Why wouldn't the NCAA's Committee on Infractions be able to use publicly available information at their disposal, when they are investigating one of their member institutions for alleged violations which fall under the jurisdiction of the NCAA, and the purview of the Committee on Infractions? The premise of your logic is inane. It's like you think that NCAA investigators can only apply evidence to a case, which they can take credit for uncovering. That is absurd.

You need to depose your own witness for your own case. You don’t put footnotes from another investigation’s bibliography. “I heard this” or “I read that” has never headlined an investigation report. You keep using the same verbiage over and over again? You’ll warrant the same response. Feel free to exit this circle anytime you wish.

 

[BowlBrother85]

You need to depose your own witness for your own case. You don’t put footnotes from another investigation’s bibliography. “I heard this” or “I read that” has never headlined an investigation report. You keep using the same verbiage over and over again? You’ll warrant the same response. Feel free to exit this circle anytime you wish.

That is not true. The NCAA is not bound by any such restrictions, while building a case against a member institution for committing rule violations which fall under their jurisdiction.

You are going in circles as well... and talking out of your butt. You keep beginning completely unsupported claims with "You need to", without ever explaining who in the hell this "You" person is, or where any such investigative standard is written.

 

[butchna]

That is not true. The NCAA is not bound by any such restrictions, while building a case against a member institution for committing rule violations which fall under their jurisdiction.

You are going in circles as well... and talking out of your butt. You keep beginning completely unsupported claims with "You need to", without ever explaining who in the hell this "You" is, or where any such investigative standard is written.

Prove me wrong. I’m waiting. You’re beginning to fringe at the edges with the “butt” stuff.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Keep saying “public record” over and over again in a mantra. Doesn’t make it any more true.

Keep saying "You need to" over and over again... like you're making these rules or something. It doesn't make what you are about to say any more accurate, just because you start a sentence with "You need to."

 

[butchna]

Keep saying "You need to" over and over again... like you're making these rules or something. It doesn't make what you are about to say any more accurate, just because you start a sentence with "You need to."

Example please? Then you can quit espresso for the night…you need to.

 

[BowlBrother85]

You need to

Ahem.

 

[butchna]

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[onevol74]

The school worked with the NCAA through its "negotiated resolution process," which means it agrees with the NCAA's report and cannot appeal the penalties.

This is what scares me about our football investigation. We are in a state where we will not be able to appeal. We definitely have to reveal details that concern other SEC programs to justify our actions.

 

[Firebirdparts]

I always kinda liked Buzz. He seems not to be winning quite as much there at ATM.

It does seem quaint these days when somebody gets penalized by the NCAA for talking to a student.