Butch's biggest weakness...

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chattavol420 said:
Imo is the conservative way he manages games. You have to be aggressive to some extent to be successful at anything in life. Football is no exception. When I think of the good Florida teams under urban Meyer, that's the one charastic that sticks out to me the most. They were always aggressively attacking. Once they got a lead they put their foot on your throat. Remember several years ago while playing them at Neyland we scored in the third quarter to make it a one possession game and had all the momentum. On the next possession we force a three and out... Only they weren't out. They converted a fake fg from their own 35! They went on to score on that possession and put the game away . compare that to us playing Florida this year. Late in the first half we had a fourth and 2 from the Florida 36. I knew what was coming. We kicked the ball into the endzone for a net gain of 16 yards. That was our best drive of the day to that point and our defense had only allowed about 40 yards so far. That play sucked the life out of the team and the stadium. When you go for it whether you convert or not you're letting the players know you believe in them and we're going to take the necessary risks to win.
What made me think of this and fell the need to post is earlier today I heard a clip of saban talking regarding the team. He said the word aggressive about 10 times in a 2 minute recording. He said that the team can't play to not lose... Because that's exactly what will happen. I understand that saban isn't known to be an aggressive play caller, but similar to the good urban Meyer teams... Saban's good teams of past have always had that killer instinct. Once the get a lead they pour it on.
We almost seem to stop trying to score as soon as we get a lead. This year we've done it against uga and Uf. Last year we did it against usc and Vandy. Of course we still ended up beating usc but not without allowing them to come all the way back and take the lead late.
I'm not saying Butch isn't the guy for the job. Being conservative is something that he could decide to change at any time. Hes obviously aggressive in many other ways. He'd never be as successful of a recruiter as he is without aggressively pursuing the kids. He just needs to take that attitude to the field on Saturdays.
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Volnation!

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Did spurrier ever have an offense without confidence or with 5 true freshmen on the field to make gutsy calls?
Do you think Butch punts there if we are running on at least a half a cylinder? We couldn't gain yards against Fla and they couldn't get any on us, and we had the lead.
He will go for that down the line, and that's one time where I would like to go for it, but you can't block anybody and you just hand momentum to fla with a shorter field if you come up short.
With our offensive offense, I don't blame him for punting there. And we missed downing the ball on the 1 inch line by an inch, iirc.
 
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pierce60 said:
Am I the only one who remembers Jones going for it in 4th down 3 times last year against Georgia and running double reverses and reverse passes this year? I wouldn't call him conservative, just trying to get the game to the 4th quarter with a chance to win as others have said.
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This actually brings up another point, we ran a reverse against UTC and even the announcers said (paraphrase) "there's some of that play calling you saw in the Georgia game after they went very vanilla last week against Florida"

Why do we always run great, clever, trick plays against UGA every year but no one else? We didn't do one risky thing against Florida. We decided to go vanilla and it seemed like we shut the playbook on them. Why?!?!?!???!??!?!!?!?!?
 
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NoogaVFL said:
Have you noticed this season how much better our offense plays when we are trying to make a 2 minute drive down the field before the half or to tie the game (re: Georgia, etc.)? It seems like they are looser and more fluid- kinda removes the 'thinking' from the game.

Pick up the pace and play every series like there's 2 minutes left in the game and down by 6.
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up tempo sure seems better
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
This actually brings up another point, we ran a reverse against UTC and even the announcers said (paraphrase) "there's some of that play calling you saw in the Georgia game after they went very vanilla last week against Florida"

Why do we always run great, clever, trick plays against UGA every year but no one else? We didn't do one risky thing against Florida. We decided to go vanilla and it seemed like we shut the playbook on them. Why?!?!?!???!??!?!!?!?!?
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Ohh I have said the same thing many times here is the answer.you don't know football.it takes time.youth.players don't execute ...etc
 
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I personally believe that during the Florida game , when we got a nine point lead we played NOT TO LOSE !!!! bECAME TOTALLY CONSERVATIVE AND DID LIKE MOST OF THE FULMER TEAMS, SIT ON OUR LEAD. Just myo !!!
 
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wmcovol said:
Tennessee had a "go for it" coach just a couple yrs ago. Got his ass embarassed several times and lost his team. Jones coaches the game to win with a weaker team. You're gonna win it in the 4th qtr not the 2nd. What horn did you blow on in the band?
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Totally agree under the circumstances we are currently in...weak offense.

However, dominant football is transcending into an offensive game across the board from NFL to NCAA...and stomping on the throttle early is becoming more and more relevant...if you have the personnel to accomplish that goal.
 
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pasadenavol said:
His biggest weakness is not finding someone to take the places of Kerbyson and Thomas... Might as well just slap a tackling dummy out there - at least the opposing DE would have to make contact to get around it...
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Pray tell...what magical pixie land is he supposed to get them from?!? I guarantee if there was anyone available on the team that can do a better job, they would be in there! I am sure it is his personal obligation to get his quarterback blasted on every play!

Most of the linemen on the team are left over from previous regimes, and they are obviously no better than those that are starting now. This is not professional football where you can release an underperforming lineman and hire a free agent!
 
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I personally think CBJ is coaching according to his team's skill level and fit for the system. If you look at his Cincy teams, they were aggressive but disciplined and that's what I expect we will be in a year or two.
 
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Yes because overly aggressive and complex is a great idea with a team playing with this much youth. This team's best asset is their defense which is what we depend on to keep the game close and then try to gamble a bit at the end.
 
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There's a difference in playing not to lose and keeping the wheels from falling off wheb this team could easily get blown out.
He was pretty agressive against the Dawgs last year.
And how is that when they throw everyone whines they need to run it?
 
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ReelfootVol said:
I personally believe that during the Florida game , when we got a nine point lead we played NOT TO LOSE !!!! bECAME TOTALLY CONSERVATIVE AND DID LIKE MOST OF THE FULMER TEAMS, SIT ON OUR LEAD. Just myo !!!
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But when they keep calling pass plays everyone complains they didnt run enough.
 
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The call vs UF that has probably been most condemned here... was very aggressive. Instead of calling a conservative play that would ensure a FG. Jones went for a score and instead had an INT in the end zone that eventually became the difference in the game.

I DO NOT absolve the coaching staff from all blame for the OL we've seen. That said, their "aggression" is limited by how long those guys can give to allow plays to develop. On the play in question, Worley got more pressure than he should have and didn't get alot on the throw. North lost his footing a little trying to adjust and Hargreaves made a play on the ball... that only he and a few others could have made.

In short, the better team you have... the more aggression you can afford to have.
 
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I always believed the team that takes the most chances and risk wins the most, along with aggression.
 
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I do believe in aggressively playing to win and not letting a team back in the game. Aggressive play (offense and defense) after a lead is essential to maintaining control of the game. Butch doesn't have all the parts in place to control a team like Ole Miss, Bama, Georgia, etc.
Hell, he's just trying to get to a bowl game now. A couple more top 10 classes and his coaching will set the stage for how long he stays at UT. I'm hoping he's here for a long time! :good!:
GO VOLS!
 
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Volru said:
They used to say Majors was too conservative too, but he sure got allot of production from most of his offenses.
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Phillip Fulmer was also too conservative. Are you detecting a pattern?
 
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I'm a fan of their approach, they have been staying in games and giving the players an opportunity to win it. Every game this season has been in the players' hands deep into the second half.
 
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VOLywood said:
I personally think CBJ is coaching according to his team's skill level and fit for the system. If you look at his Cincy teams, they were aggressive but disciplined and that's what I expect we will be in a year or two.
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CBJ may pick up another "recruit" in coaching; Jeff Quinn just fired from Buffalo; he and CBJ from the B. Kelly coaching tree at Grand Valley, Central Michigan, Cincinnati; Quinn played OL and was known for offense mentality; well known in northern Ohio where CBJ has recruited.
 
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On the 4th down play, I can't comment without knowing what CBJ thinks.
He may have had a determining factor.... Or he may have thought later
"I knew I should have gone for it". Without knowing these things, not sure how people can judge OR defend the call.
 
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