Butch's biggest mistake

[P.O.T.S. VOL]

Dude, no one has a problem with questions about Butch. They have a problem with YOU doing it in every post because that is literally all you ever do. You whine and ***** and complain about the things you believe Butch should do and then act like anyone that calls you out on it is just "out to get you" and all they do is "pump sunshine." I've got news for you, you aren't some special little flower that is the only one with the intelligence to ask questions about the negative aspects of coaching. We don't all defend Butch Jones at every turn but the majority of us have the common sense to post about other things and not post the exact same thing, just with the words rearranged every ******n time.

Pretty much this but it's worse. He makes a weekly thread complaining about the same crap like he has had some unique epiphany about the program to enlighten the rest of us with.

That's my biggest issue here as well. Like we're all a bunch of window lickers that only have the brain capacity to talk about positive things and just cant see the truth so hr feels the need to bestow his wisdom upon the unwashed masses. In Every. Single. Post.

SPOT on!

 

[Volinnooga]

CBJ's biggest mistake is failing to take the advise of VN posters. He'd be undefeated if he would just heed the advise of the Knute Rockne's on here.

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

Look, all youse biyotches!

Butch is >>>>> Stooley.

But Butch still has to prove it on Saturdays, alright??!! He is MINT Sunday to Friday, alright. But he's got to show us the money on Saturdays, ahhhhright!?!

He did make a mistake not putting Dobbs in earlier. He did. Let's get over it. It would have been nice to RS him, blah, blah, blah. NOPE! You play the best guy. I was on the Worley Wagon, but after seeing Dobbs for 2 minutes, I was like, WTF???????? Third String for What????!!!???? With the Butch offense??? Luv me some Worley, he was a champ. Wish Mahoney had done some coaching in the Fall. Worley deserved better than a collegiate career with Stooley and "Looking for Rommel"

It's 10 wins or bust. Can't lose to Florida, Arkansas, Missouri. Yeah, it's tough on ol' Butch, but he's got to do da business.

Peace!

 

[armchair]

And... of course if he had started Dobbs over Worley and Peterman you would have called that a "HUGE and rather stupid mistake". That's just your MO since you first started posting here.



Yeah. It is not only debatable. You are dead wrong. Playing for at most one additional win vs an investment in the future, the latter was EXACTLY the right thing to do.

or "invest in the future," if he's your best QB. Dobbs was our best QB at the start of last year, in the middle of last year--and at the end of last year. Did Jones play Worley because he knew that it was a throwaway year--and wanted to save Dobbs's eligiblity, knowing the team around him would be better in a year? No coach really does that. You try to win, and the only way you win is to play your best players. Had that been Jones's strategy, he would have played Peterman after Worley got hurt, not Dobbs. In any case, it IS all moot now--it was discussed a lot last year, nothing good can come of all this now. But I do get lathered up when I hear--as I've heard for two years--all this nonsense about Dobbs not practicing well and all the other spin. One could tell during Dobbs' play /the year before last/ that he was our best QB. Not a great QB, not a polished QB (indeed his passing last year was, like his motion, clunky and erratic)--but still, overall, our best QB--too athletic, too good a runner, to keep off the field. And who didn't think--after maybe one freakin' series last year--the same thing? Why the coaches decided to overlook the obvious is a bit of a mystery, but coaches make mistakes. Let's move on to yet another thread--the 200th--about how good the Vols will be this year!!

 

[sjt18]

Actually you have no idea who the best QB was and Jones favored Worley. Of course if he had chosen Dobbs, you would have insisted Worley or Peterman were the best. That's just what you do. You don't disagree because you reason... you disagree then try to reason as an afterthought.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

This article is by the classless jerk who asked Josh on Tuesday, "Do you think you were a lousy practice player?" (note how he tries to tone down his own bad grace in the article by changing 'lousy' to 'bad').

He'd already written the article and was just trying to tease something quotable out of Josh to cap it off.

David Climer gets no respect from me.

Well stated. Climer is one tiny step above John Adams and I say that only because Climer does not consistently cover UT. He is cut from the same cloth as Adams, writes with the same sarcasm-laced pen and possesses the same literary limitations as Adams. Furthermore, like Adams, Climer virtually never has anything positive to say about Tennessee.

 

[chargervol]

Actually you have no idea who the best QB was and Jones favored Worley. Of course if he had chosen Dobbs, you would have insisted Worley or Peterman were the best. That's just what you do. You don't disagree because you reason... you disagree then try to reason as an afterthought.

I believe that's called armchair coaching...

I was concerned you would waste your time responding to each individual statement. I looked close enough, he states many opinions as if they were facts, without stating one single fact. That's a lot of arm chairing even considering the name.

 

[chattavol420]

SPOT on!

LOL. Where you been.

FYI any critique of this staff (regardless of the kudos you offer on other subjects, or the validity of the argument) will bring the same three or four bashers. And they usually have some real original thoughts. Something along the lines of...you're not a fan, if you could be a better coach let's see it, or just straight out you suck and I don't like you! Haha

 

[joevol33]

All that matters now is this year.

 

[KBVol]

I believe it could be for any of those reasons or SJTs, KBs all have merit except for one. The mistake.

Coaches keep count on practice completions, leadership , etc... Either Dobbs did not perform to par or he did and there was a plan for the future. And contrary to some of our more critical fans, the coaches didn't try to lose and risk their jobs. Nor are they so incompetent that they couldn't read the tally of their own notes. The "mistake" concept is determined absurd when trying to find a manner in which it could have came about.

I think it was both Charger. Saw Dobbs' potential, flashes of what he could be, but based on his inconsistent/poor practice play, determined the best course for him was a redshirt to better develop him. I also really believe that Butch thought Worley could get this team to 6-7 wins and a bowl.

Of course, once Worley was injured, all those plans were laid to waste and it was "panic time". Reports from several sources who get to observe practice said Dobbs had made excellent strides and was throwing the ball very well during in season practices. No matter what crap they said about having confidence in Peterman, they clearly knew they would sink with him and it was time to burn Dobbs' redshirt and get to a bowl game....he was the only chance....the rest is history.

That's my story and by God I'm sticking to it.

 

[BigOrange15]

LOL. Where you been.

FYI any critique of this staff (regardless of the kudos you offer on other subjects, or the validity of the argument) will bring the same three or four bashers. And they usually have some real original thoughts. Something along the lines of...you're not a fan, if you could be a better coach let's see it, or just straight out you suck and I don't like you! Haha

Wah, people are being mean to me. You know, maybe this would be a good time to ask yourself "hey, why is everyone saying this about me? Maybe if people know what I am going to post just by reading my name, maybe I should come up with something else to talk about instead of whining about the same thing in every post."

I'm sure that you are a Vol fan and I'm sure you are a good dude, its just that this whole whine/armchair coach then play the victim thing is played out. That's all anyone is really saying.

 

[EZE]

This, exactly. Jake, I believe precisely the same thing. It just makes sense.

To logical people it does..... Butch is a chess player. The OP and author of that article haven't graduated from checkers.

 

[chargervol]

Sorry Eddie Vol Halen, when I read your post all I could think was "someone named after Van Halen thinks we should have changed the frontman, go figure" Come on, I can't be the only one that sees the humor in this......

 

[gogators13]

I think it always works out better when coaches adjust to the players that the have vs making players preform in a system that doesn't work with their skill set.

Having Worley in the spread, zone, or read option, what ever you want to call it. Didn't show flexibility by the coaching staff.

 

[waltrip22]

Talked to a guy that was at the Manning camp and he said the most impressive thing about Dobbs is his ability to stay calm and in control. Having a QB with that ability is huge in winning games. Going to be a great year!

 

[volsportsfan]

I'm with Chatta, Eddie v, and arm chair. You don't run the read option 15 to 20 times a game with Worley at QB. Defenses had no respect for Worley keeping it and actually hurting them. You saw defenses get confused and hesitate with Dobbs in because he can hurt you if you don't play sound assignment football. I wish our line had been better so we could have played to Worley's strengths.

 

[CroKev]

I really can't believe most of the negative responses to the OP. I love CBJ but that play calling with Worley at QB was unbelievable (and no matter what Butch wanted to call it, it was still a "read option" with a QB that only had "one option").

Bottom line: FLORIDA. Anybody out there think UT doesn't win that game with Dobbs playing by at least 2 TDs?

 

[ALLVOL24/7/365]

Well I have not had time to check in for a couple of days and low and behold when I do, I come back to this little gem! This has been great for laughs and giggles this morning!!!! I thought maybe it was just me not seeing eye to eye with chatt. I see it is not just me. Leb is the only person I have ever put on ignore, maybe I need to figure out how to do that again for another poster. Got to say folks some of your post on here are GOLDEN, I was literally laughing out loud at some of them. I am sure my coworkers think I have lost it.

Got to love VN, never a dull moment! GBO I am so ready for the season to start.

EVERYBODY HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!!!!!

 

[ptcarter]

The biggest flaw in the OP is throwing the adjective "Dooleylike" in a comment about CBJ. Man, that's low. Dooley can't carry his water.

 

[AllforTenn]

This x 100. I always love Chattavols reaches for reasons to not support this coach and his team. Ridiculous.

And he has an ally in armchair, who has around 100 posts criticizing Holly Warlick and staff in the Lady Vols forum.

 

[JC61]

I really can't believe most of the negative responses to the OP. I love CBJ but that play calling with Worley at QB was unbelievable (and no matter what Butch wanted to call it, it was still a "read option" with a QB that only had "one option").

Bottom line: FLORIDA. Anybody out there think UT doesn't win that game with Dobbs playing by at least 2 TDs?

well....I think Hurd going down early in that game had a bigger impact than Worley v. Dobbs....but will concede that Dobbs might have provided a needed spark. Without Hurd it still would have been tougher...much like the Vandy game.

 

[TCbodybuilder]

This article is by the classless jerk who asked Josh on Tuesday, "Do you think you were a lousy practice player?" (note how he tries to tone down his own bad grace in the article by changing 'lousy' to 'bad').

He'd already written the article and was just trying to tease something quotable out of Josh to cap it off.

What a tool. I would have asked him if he thought he was a lousy journalist since his coverage is sport and not real world issues.

Glad to see Josh has the maturity level to not respond, but sometimes you just have to blast the baiters and haters.

 

[OrngeChkrboardVFL]

I really can't believe most of the negative responses to the OP. I love CBJ but that play calling with Worley at QB was unbelievable (and no matter what Butch wanted to call it, it was still a "read option" with a QB that only had "one option").

Bottom line: FLORIDA. Anybody out there think UT doesn't win that game with Dobbs playing by at least 2 TDs?

Worley could have won that game with better play calling. Didn't need Dobbs.

 

[Kristy*]

Worley could have won that game with better play calling. Didn't need Dobbs.

The play calling could have been better, yes. But Worley didn't execute either. The staff relied too much on the passing game and settled for FGs. The lead was never comfortable (obviously), and Jones played more not to lose instead of to win. It reminded me a lot of the Fulmer years. Jones is at his best, IMO, when he turns up the heat, and he should have all the tools to do that this year.

 

[chattavol420]

I really can't believe most of the negative responses to the OP. I love CBJ but that play calling with Worley at QB was unbelievable (and no matter what Butch wanted to call it, it was still a "read option" with a QB that only had "one option").

Bottom line: FLORIDA. Anybody out there think UT doesn't win that game with Dobbs playing by at least 2 TDs?

Agreed 100%. It's really just the same few that bash you if you post something negative. But it is what it is. We definitely have the best staff in place we've had in a long time. The recruiting is literally as good as it's been in my lifetime. And the kids work hard and never give up. I always post positive comments regarding those subjects. But you're right...to have Worley running that read option over and over again was just mind boggling. No opposing players ever bought it. They'd just crash down on the running back. And all with Dobbs sitting on the bench