Butch tells Volnation "Shut-up and strap-in"

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#101
So what do you guys gain from telling everyone how horrible of a coach DeBord is? I swear Volnation only cares about who is right first
 
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VolBalla2014 said:
So what do you guys gain from telling everyone how horrible of a coach DeBord is? I swear Volnation only cares about who is right first
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Josh Dobbs may make Debord a hot item. I'm not bashing DeBord until november 1st and not then if we are winning. Coach Jones attitude is he is going to kick butt this season regardless of the OC hire. I really think he's laying it all out this season. I got to roll with him and look forward to a season many have never seen as fans. My hopes are nothing short of 10 wins and a bowl win. :rock::rock::rock:
 
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VolBalla2014 said:
So what do you guys gain from telling everyone how horrible of a coach DeBord is? I swear Volnation only cares about who is right first
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Hoping for some future "I told you so VN interwebz eCred."

They are upset that the Head Coach hired who he thought was best for the program, not someone who was on their list of acceptable candidates.

"Legion of the Miserable"
 
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VolBalla2014 said:
So what do you guys gain from telling everyone how horrible of a coach DeBord is? I swear Volnation only cares about who is right first
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Judging from your post count, you know all that matters on VN is being right.
Being able to say I told you so is some of these people's national championship.
 
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VolBalla2014 said:
So what do you guys gain from telling everyone how horrible of a coach DeBord is? I swear Volnation only cares about who is right first
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You got that all wrong. We are still waiting for someone to be right in the first place.:)

Here have a go.:)
 
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agent|orange said:
See, I was one of the negas on here that adamantly opposed Sunseri. Here is why:

1985–1992 Pittsburgh (DL/LB)
1992 Pittsburgh (AHC)
1993 Iowa Wesleyan (AHC/DC/ST)
1994 Illinois State (DC)
1995–1997 Louisville (LB)
1998–1999 Alabama A&M (DC/LB)
2000 LSU (LB/ST)
2001 Michigan State (LB/ST)
2002–2008 Carolina Panthers (DL)
2009–2011 Alabama (AHC/LB)
2012 Tennessee (DC)
2013–2014 Florida State (DE)
2015–present Oakland Raiders (LB)

DC experience in bold. Everything else says this:

* Excellent position coach. Poor DC.

This is why Sunseri never got sniffed for a legit DC job until Dooley's dumb@ss came knocking and hasn't had a sniff since.

Now, here's DeBord's experience:
1982–1983 Franklin (IN) (OL)
1984 Fort Hays State (OL)
1985–1986 Fort Hays State (OC/QB/WR)
1987–1988 Eastern Illinois (OL)
1988–1989 Ball State (OL)
1990–1991 Colorado State (OL)
1992 Northwestern (OL)
1992–1996 Michigan (OL)
1997–1999 Michigan (OC)
2000–2003 Central Michigan
2004–2005 Michigan (ST/RC)
2006–2007 Michigan (OC/TE)
2008 Seattle Seahawks (Asst. OL)
2009 Seattle Seahawks (TE)
2010–2012 Chicago Bears (TE)
2013-2014 Special Olympics Administrator
2015-Tennessee Volunteers(OC)

Note the stark drop-off in level of responsibility after the 2007 Michigan OC disaster. Asst OL -> TE is a demotion in the coaching world. TE -> Special Olympics Administrator is nothing more than "we remember what you did, we'll hook you up with a worthless job as thanks".

People on here are clammoring to post stats from 1997 to prove why DeBord is a good hire. 1997. Why not just bring in ole Fulmer, Lloyd Carr, the Nebraska staff and other relics of the 90s and remake the power team?

When Jones said "we hire by fit, not by resume" I was scared. In every industry I've worked in you are what your resume says you are. When you're a 15-year engineer and you're applying for a manager's position and you have no management experience... people will ask why you were never given lead on any project. There are great engineers that are horrible managers. That's why they stick to being great engineers.

Coaching works the same way. There are great position coaches that make horrible coordinators. There are great coordinators that make horrible head coaches.

Guys like Chavis, LeBeau, Capers, Kiffin know their place. They're fantastic DCs. They were either utter failures as HFC or they just realized it wasn't for them and never took any offers.

But swallowing one's pride and saying "I'm just not good enough for it" is tough to say. Especially in an alpha-male type industry that football breeds.

And Jones hiring DeBord is nothing but nepotism and running away from hiring a guy that could threaten your position. Fulmer did the same thing with OCs. He never hired a guy and let him take the full reigns. Always stuck his nose in and micromanaged.
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Why didn't UT hire you to coach?
 
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I can't understand why people care who he hires. If they lose, does it matter who he hired and if they win does it matter who he hired?

Seems like many on VN enjoy worrying. They need to expand their lives, there are much better things to worry about.
 
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computergeekvol said:
I can't understand why people care who he hires. If they lose, does it matter who he hired and if they win does it matter who he hired?

Seems like many on VN enjoy worrying. They need to expand their lives, there are much better things to worry about.
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Cause Butch did not hire who they thought he should ... Legion of the Miserable syndrome.

They did, when they went to VN mobile ... "expanded" their post counts. *****ing (whoops meant posting) on VN is their lives.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
With the hiring of Mike Debord, Butch has sent a clear message to Volnation: "Shut-up and strap-in."

This hire means that Butch believes the Vols will win the East in 2015 and beyond.

High-octane OCs with offenses 70 spots higher than Mike Bajakian's (despite being on less money) were not needed. The guy who designed 3-plays that won Charles Woodson the Heisman is all that is required for Championships now.

In essence, Butch has said that sjt18 and MedicT could be co-OCs and he would still win the East.

I've got a lot of faith in Butch, and he has given all of us the ultimate Butch-slap. Butch has got this.
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Jokes aside, If I were Butch, I probably would tell VN to shut up.
 
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The thing with Debord happened so fast you wonder if he helped Bajakian box up his stuff.

Which is comforting to me, somehow. Butch knew who he wanted right away and pulled the trigger. Call me crazy, but that speaks of confidence and a steady hand.

If you're SO convinced the new guy is going to 'sunseri' our offense....well, my psyche was damaged after Dooley, too...but at some point you have to get past it. "Snap and Clear," I think I heard a wise man say.
 
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I actually believe that Butch has put extra pressure in himself to win and win big in 2015. There is no momentum with this hire. It's as innocuous as Linus's security blanket.

I think it may prove to be genius: can't call a game worse than Bajakian, team might learn the I-formation, otherwise perfect continuity, he may help the o-line woes.

This hire does say bluntly that Butch has got this. He just needs to smooth some rough edges on the Big Orange Machine. He needs little else. It says we are damn close to Championships.

Or else Butch is damn close to the hot seat after doing so much right.
 
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DD4ME said:
We had 2 weeks to kick this can. I can understand questioning the hire but Butch gave everyone plenty of warning to vent beforehand and come to terms. It's done and we have a tremendous new class and a ton of promise for 2015 and beyond. Butch may not do it our way but he's consistently improved our FB team so chillax and let the good times roll.
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OUR way? As far as I can figure, there are only about a dozen in that "our" category, DD. I'm not part of that parade float and neither are most of us in VN. It's just a noisy minority who, as one VNer put it, are persistent "hand wringers" (good one). I say welcome CMD. You're the man.
 
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THe guy hasn't coached a single down yet for Tennessee. Butch has in place what he wants. He won't let things get out of hand. I'm sure Debord knows up front what is expected. Let them work on this and then make your judgements. Are we gonna have to listen to a whole summer of this crap? I'll just no log on till August 29th. Geez Louise.
 
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agent|orange said:
Yeah, who wants some relevant scrub from TCU or a guy named after a country?

What this says to me is:

* Butch Jones is nepotistic and is afraid of bringing in a guy that wants to run his own system.

* Butch wants a "yes man" that will run his system. Not some outsider that would come in and "shake up the house".

* A younger coach under you is a threat. He doesn't want a usurper on his hands.

Butch has shown he's a great recruiter and IMO not much else to this point. His offense completely sputtered at times and looked to only work when Dobbs/Hurd made fantastic individual efforts which reflects them... not Bajina or Lyle.

This hire is underwhelming. Having to cite stats from 1997 is just pathetic. Why is every other football program in the country not biting on this hidden gem? Why are we always the butts of the Sunseri jokes?
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Does not matter if he is a hidden gem. What matters is if he is a fit. Will know after this year is complete.
 
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computergeekvol said:
I can't understand why people care who he hires. If they lose, does it matter who he hired and if they win does it matter who he hired?

Seems like many on VN enjoy worrying. They need to expand their lives, there are much better things to worry about.
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Because some of us really like UT football. We hate that our beloved Vols have been wallowing in the cellar for so long and we want that to change.

If they win, no it doesn't matter whom he hired. If they regress and start losing more, then it absolutely matters.

You seem to be a person who likes football but not that much and that's cool. There are others who really enjoy football and are excited to be fans. And that's cool too. There is nothing wrong with people being passionate and concerned for a sports team they like.
 
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KBVol said:
Ok, we need an OC and evidently here's the profile of the ideal candidate...

1. Has been out of football for 3 seasons
Been a coach for over 30 years. I'm sure he hasn't forgot how to coach.
2. Is currently an the Olympic team administrator for a University
Which adds to his resume. UT does have a track program that could use some "Olympic Administration"
3. Hasn't called a game as an offensive coordinator in 8 years
But has still been heavily involved with offenses for over 30 years.
4. Has little to no experience (reported) coordinating/teaching a spread offense. Ran a power I, pro style offense at Michigan
Oline schemes - TE schemes are the trick with the spread. CMD has plenty of experience in this regard.
5. Last time he teamed with our current head coach, they lost 34 of 46 games.
Any idea of what Joe's they had to work with? Competition?
6. Hasn't and doesn't coach QBs..... when we have 3 true freshmen QBs coming in who will desperately need to be developed, especially Jennings.
Umm, Bajakian was QB coach under DeBord at CM, so in essence, DeBord tutored Bajakian as a QB coach.
7. He had great success in as a college OC..... in 1997.
Let's hope he has great success at UT in 2015 and beyond.

Now you tell me.... if we rolled out this profile to you before any names were mentioned and said this is the guy we're looking for, what would you have said.

I'm certainly gonna give Butch my support and trust and DeBord may wind up being wildly successful here, but damn man..... how can anybody be excited about this hire at this point?
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See all of the above.
 
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We know next to nothing.

Literally, the amount we know about Coach DeBord puts us at the knowledge table right next to Nothing. Waaaay at the other end of the table, 30' away from us, is Everything and near him are Heckuva Lot and Agreat Deal.

If we hadn't all been looking at it for the past few weeks, I could give you a resume that might be DeBord's, that would look almost exactly like it, and it would turn out to be Cutcliffe's. I could give you an actor's resume with names redacted, and you wouldn't be able to tell Clint Eastwood from Frank Langella (who? exactly my point).

All of you who have been in the hiring business, you know why you do interviews and, ideally, take potential hires on for week- or month-long 'test drives': because the resume gives you less than 10% of the true story. You need to meet the person, find out who they really are, to decide if they're the Right One.

None of us have done that. At all. We sit at the knowledge table next to Nothing.

Butch Jones is sitting near the other end of that table. And he wants to win championships at Tennessee. I think maybe he knows stuff we don't.
 
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Follow-up thought: Even though he's sitting at the well-informed end of the knowledge table and we're not, Butch wouldn't tell us to shut up. He might think it, but he respects Vol Nation far too much to ever say it. What he would say would probably be along the lines of, "give me a chance to show you. I'mo (have you noticed he never says 'I'm going to," or even "I'm gonna," he says "I'mo") ... he'd say, "give me some time, I'mo get this baby going, we're here to win championships, and that's what i'mo do with this coaching staff. Brick by brick, we're getting there, just give me time." That's what he'd say to us, I think.
 
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Well, then...time to strap it on and shut up until it proves to be a bust. What other options are there (besides whining and hand wringing on here)?
 
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