Butch says it takes 6 to 7 years to build a program in the SEC

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I don't agree with you, but I do think one of you should call Hymens' show and tell him how wrong he is. Would love to listen to that.
 
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So people gripe and make fun of Hyams but he is an ace reporter on this article? Also, Butch's comment was taken way outta hand. You can build a winning team fairly quickly but for a program to have long term sucess, it does take time. All this has been explained over and over. People hang onto this like they did with the best staff in America comment.
 
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GAVol said:
The funny thing is that of the examples Jimmy gives, about 4 of them weren't actually sustaining success by year 7. They were either moving on or on the hot seat.
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And that's the entire point. It was said that it takes that long to build a program (agree or don't), not to win games. But "win games" is exactly what some are trying to twist the statement into.
I have to go with them just doing that to be argumentative. Truthfully, it pains me too bad to think they actually believe the b.s. they are throwing out.
If they honestly can't understand the difference in building an entire program versus just winning games, there truly is no hope for future generations. Basic comprehension is just too far past their grasp.
Let's just stick with they love to argue. :)
 
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VolinMC said:
So people gripe and make fun of Hyams but he is an ace reporter on this article? Also, Butch's comment was taken way outta hand. You can build a winning team fairly quickly but for a program to have long term sucess, it does take time. All this has been explained over and over. People hang onto this like they did with the best staff in America comment.
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I'm just tired of all the clichés and coach speak that comes from him.
 
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utvolpj said:
That first link is a joke right? Had to be at least 7 pages deep in the Google results

The second ones shows Hyams had no clue what Butch means or simply ignores it for clicks
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Both were first page. Both had Dustin Dopriak's tweet point blank saying what the title of this thread is.
 
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MustafaRasta said:
People not only taking this quote way to seriously but also they're acting like Butch has been driving this point home since he arrived. Truth be told it was a one time thing that has been blown way out of proportion.

Shame on you KB. The other dunderheads are expected to be...well dunderheads.
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That's who he is. Some of you think different but if you open your eyes you will see. He is a Clay Travis wanna be.
 
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ReaderVol said:
You're calling BS on a statement that Jones didn't make. He just didn't say it. He quoted someone else period.
What's really obvious is some like you couldn't care less about facts.
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No he dern said it!!

He also punched Mac Crowder in the face. My sister's plumbers brother in law has a friend who heard it directly. So defend him all you want you are just pumping sunshine rainbows out of your liberal butt cheeks.

PS: Jimmy Hyman is also reporting Lyle "butch" Jones also authorized Coach azz to bang Sjt18's sister.
 
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MustafaRasta said:
No he dern said it!!

He also punched Mac Crowder in the face. My sister's plumbers brother in law has a friend who heard it directly. So defend him all you want you are just pumping sunshine rainbows out of your liberal butt cheeks.

PS: Jimmy Hyman is also reporting Lyle "butch" Jones also authorized Coach azz to bang Sjt18's sister.
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LOL. The thing is, your post is as accurate as the fools who keep saying this crap.
It's sad really. Their hatred is so strong they can't see the tremendous improvement this program has made.
 
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MustafaRasta said:
No he dern said it!!

He also punched Mac Crowder in the face. My sister's plumbers brother in law has a friend who heard it directly. So defend him all you want you are just pumping sunshine rainbows out of your liberal butt cheeks.

PS: Jimmy Hyman is also reporting Lyle "butch" Jones also authorized Coach azz to bang Sjt18's sister.
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The "banging" was a mandate! Part of Butch's new maxims!
 
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ReaderVol said:
You're calling BS on a statement that Jones didn't make. He just didn't say it. He quoted someone else period.
What's really obvious is some like you couldn't care less about facts.
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Jones: "It takes six to seven years in the SEC to really build a program."

— Dustin Dopirak (@TennesseeBeat) November 5, 2015

The above is the quote from the link at the start of this thread. Is it not accurate? I have not heard the interview and assume this is accurate quote unless someone can prove otherwise. So I suggest you should contact Dustin Dopirak from TennesseeBeat and have him take it back if you believe it's not accurate. :loco:
 
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Hundreds of posts later, I don't even get what's slightly wrong with the comment regardless who originally said it. There's a lot of truth to it. People need to figure out the nuance between a program winning and a program being "built".
 
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GAVol said:
Hundreds of posts later, I don't even get what's slightly wrong with the comment regardless who originally said it. There's a lot of truth to it. People need to figure out the nuance between a program winning and a program being "built".
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Why don't you help us out with that, give us your take. Is it just all about accumulating enough players over time/building depth?

While you're at it, explain what Jones means when he says "there's a big difference between building a team and building a program". What are the differences? What does a coach do differently when he's building a program vs building a team? Not flaming, curious to hear what people think Jones specifically means.
 
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KBVol said:
Why don't you help us out with that, give us your take. Is it just all about accumulating enough players over time/building depth?

While you're at it, explain what Jones means when he says "there's a big difference between building a team and building a program". What are the differences? What does a coach do differently when he's building a program vs building a team? Not flaming, curious to hear what people think Jones specifically means.
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That's a good question, KB.

Difference between building a team and building a program is the difference between Miami, SMU, Colorado and Michigan, USC and Bama. It's short term versus long term viability. Its attention to character, academics and culture and not merely attento to athletes, sports, and wins.
 
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McDad said:
That's a good question, KB.

Difference between building a team and building a program is the difference between Miami, SMU, Colorado and Michigan, USC and Bama. It's short term versus long term viability. Its attention to character, academics and culture and not merely attento to athletes, sports, and wins.
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I agree with all that, but isn't it more just a function of time. I would think that any coach would start paying attention to those things from day 1....unless he's an anomaly like Derek Dooley.
 
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TGVol said:
Jones: "It takes six to seven years in the SEC to really build a program."

— Dustin Dopirak (@TennesseeBeat) November 5, 2015

The above is the quote from the link at the start of this thread. Is it not accurate? I have not heard the interview and assume this is accurate quote unless someone can prove otherwise. So I suggest you should contact Dustin Dopirak from TennesseeBeat and have him take it back if you believe it's not accurate. :loco:
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He was on the radio with Kessling aand stated a quote from someone. It's been put on here multiple times. DP has been lambasted on the radio and SDS cherry picked and ran with it. The conversation was on Vol Calls.
 
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KBVol said:
I agree with all that, but isn't it more just a function of time. I would think that any coach would start paying attention to those things from day 1....unless he's an anomaly like Derek Dooley.
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I would HOPE that a coach would pay attention to those things. But they all don't, do they? These "flash in the pan" programs had coaches who took a win at all costs attitude. Not sure how much they worried about APRs, etc.
 
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McDad said:
I would HOPE that a coach would pay attention to those things. But they all don't, do they? These "flash in the pan" programs had coaches who took a win at all costs attitude. Not sure how much they worried about APRs, etc.
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Eh. "We may not win as quickly as this other program because we're bringing in guys with so much CHARACTER!!!" is something straight out of the Dooley years on VN. I think it's just more coachspeak
 
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VKAman said:
Eh. "We may not win as quickly as this other program because we're bringing in guys with so much CHARACTER!!!" is something straight out of the Dooley years on VN. I think it's just more coachspeak
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Well that's a fair comparison because Jones isn't doing any better at all than Dooley. SMH
 
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ReaderVol said:
Well that's a fair comparison because Jones isn't doing any better at all than Dooley. SMH
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I'm not comparing the two. I'm saying that's an excuse that doesn't really mean anything, if that's what he means. Urban Meyer has built multiple programs with less than zero concern about character.
 
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McDad said:
That's a good question, KB.

Difference between building a team and building a program is the difference between Miami, SMU, Colorado and Michigan, USC and Bama. It's short term versus long term viability. Its attention to character, academics and culture and not merely attento to athletes, sports, and wins.
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Haha
 
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