Butch says it takes 6 to 7 years to build a program in the SEC

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For DAJ's statistics to be proven correct, UF would have to hire and fire 100 coaches over the next century, yet still win the East for 100 consecutive years.

What are the odds?
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
83% of coaches can win the division at Florida because statistics.
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This is one of the funniest arguments I've read on this forum. And there have been a lot of hilariously ridiculous arguments made on here.

Florida and McElwain get dogged the entire offseason, and suddenly it was always a given that they'd clinch the division by Halloween.
 
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crusse10 said:
I think the only way that it doesn't take less than 6-7 years is if all of your positions as groups (like the offensive line, the WRs, etc.) are spaced out so that only 1 position (or 2, max) open per year. If you are going to have to completely remake a whole position group, you are going to struggle there for at least a couple years. Because the offensive line had the door open up at every single position the same year, I agree with 6-7 years. By then, the line will be tinkered and fixed.

As for everyone that's slamming their heads into the wall complaining about how Florida has done what they've done in the first year...just remember. Auburn has had 2 championship (not undefeated my bad) seasons in the last 5 years. I don't believe either Chizik or Malzahn built a powerhouse SEC program. Sure, an undefeated season is awesome. But truthfully, I'd prefer the building process to be done properly so when we are in the championship picture, it's not a fluke before a failure and a fire.
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If a fluke is a NC and another appearance in the game in 5 years, I'll take that yesterday.

Hold on, was that serious?
 
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BeecherVol said:
If a fluke is a NC and another appearance in the game in 5 years, I'll take that yesterday.

Hold on, was that serious?
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As I said, I'd rather get built into a contender year-in and year-out than get 1 fluke championship, then be firing the coach in a couple years for another flash-in-the-pan that will again fizzle out immediately.
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
Coach 120 definitely made a baseless comment. Since the inaugural SEC Championship game in 1992:

1992: Gene Stallings (third year)
1993: Steve Spurrier (fourth year)
1994: Steve Spurrier (second title in his fifth year)
1995: Steve Spurrier (third title in his sixth year)
1996: Steve Spurrier (fourth in his seventh year)
1997: Phillip Fulmer (fifth full year)
1998: Phillip Fulmer (second title in his 6th full year)
1999: Mike Dubose (third year)
2000: Steve Spurrier (fifth title in his 11th year)
2001: Nick Saban (second year)
2002: Mark Richt (second year)
2003: Nick Saban (second title in fourth year)
2004: Tommy Tubberville (first title in his sixth year)
2005: Mark Richt (second title in his fifth year)
2006: Urban Meyer (first title in his second year)
2007: Les Miles (first title in his third year)
2008: Urban Meyer (second title in his fourth year)
2009: Nick Saban (first title in his third year)
2010: Gene Chizik (first title in his second year)
2011: Les Miles (second title in his seventh year)
2012: Nick Saban (second title in his sixth year)
2013: Gus Malzahn (first title in his second year)
2014: Nick Saban (third title in his eighth year)

You can come to one of three conclusions based on the statement. Either Tennessee's coach is completely delusional, Tennessee's coach is talking to some really uniformed people or Tennessee's coach is just making things up to have a built in excuse later on down the road.
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I think he is two of these three LOL. If he keeps winning he will be ok but if he doesn't we sure will miss him . The longer Jones is here the less I like him . He needs to stop talking so much and win football games.
 
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crusse10 said:
I think the only way that it doesn't take less than 6-7 years is if all of your positions as groups (like the offensive line, the WRs, etc.) are spaced out so that only 1 position (or 2, max) open per year. If you are going to have to completely remake a whole position group, you are going to struggle there for at least a couple years. Because the offensive line had the door open up at every single position the same year, I agree with 6-7 years. By then, the line will be tinkered and fixed.

As for everyone that's slamming their heads into the wall complaining about how Florida has done what they've done in the first year...just remember. Auburn has had 2 championship (not undefeated my bad) seasons in the last 5 years. I don't believe either Chizik or Malzahn built a powerhouse SEC program. Sure, an undefeated season is awesome. But truthfully, I'd prefer the building process to be done properly so when we are in the championship picture, it's not a fluke before a failure and a fire.
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Call me easy but I sure wish UT had fluke seasons like that
 
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i'm listening to replay of vol calls right now.

and i think way too much is being made of this comment, and it doesn't help that the thread title is a bit misleading when you listen to it all, and get all the context.

caller asked a question regarding how hard is it to red shirt/not red shirt certain players....
Jones does talk about "process" a few times, then talks about a book he's reading, regarding parenting....and how it has helped change his perspective.

he talks specifically about difficulty of O Linemen being true freshmen playing....

as for the comment, it's in direct response to Kesling about getting to the point where you have RS JR/SR's...and Butch said he was talking to some other individuals and they all said it takes 6 or 7 seasons to get to that point. he then went on to talk about some specific positions in that regard, RB being one of them.

this comment dealt only with what he considers it would take to build the kind of quality depth needed to compete long term.

it had zero to do with the results in a given season, or what one should expect in a given season.:thumbsup:

knowing is half the battle......
 
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crusse10 said:
As I said, I'd rather get built into a contender year-in and year-out than get 1 fluke championship, then be firing the coach in a couple years for another flash-in-the-pan that will again fizzle out immediately.
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Fluke NCs coming out of the best conference (and division in football). Hard to comprehend.
 
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crusse10 said:
what else would you call what Chizik did?
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volunteerfan said:
I guess what we did in 98 was a fluke too? Winning championships ain't easy
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uh, no, chizik was hired, Cam Newton chose Auburn, won a title, what, 2 years later, it was over, Chizik is gone.

that was a fluke.

has nothing to do with what we did. and no one said what auburn did was easy. but it was a fluke. they've not sustained it that's for sure.
 
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allvol21 said:
I heard his remarks about this on vol calls last night. His intentions were not to say that it would take 6-7 years to compete for an SEC championship. He said that he spoke to "someone" recently that felt like it took 6-7 years to completely build the depth on the roster that you want. Anyone that thinks Butch feels like he can keep his job without getting to Atlanta in 6 years is delusional. We know better, and he does too.
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Ha! So it was really taken out of context and turned into Butch hater ammo. Makes sense!
 
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nobody drew it up like that for Auburn. it wasn't like anyone sat down and planned it to work out the way it did...it just worked out.
 
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BeecherVol said:
14-0 out of the SEC?

Fluke doesn't come to mind.

If I was playing QB and you were calling the plays, maybe.
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Since 2008 (and including this season), Auburn has only had a winning SEC record twice. They went to the NC game both times. That does seem a little flukey, no?
 
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Look all I'm getting at is that I'd rather have a team properly built that becomes practically self-sustaining from year to year. That's what Alabama is. Alabama is self-sustaining. They do well enough every year that it's easy for the coaching staff to replenish what they lose to the NFL.

If I have to give up 5-6-7 years to have 10-15 years of self-sustaining championship-level quality, SOLD. I'd rather have that than hoping to catch a fire in a bottle with a Gene Chizik.
 
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BeecherVol said:
14-0 out of the SEC?

Fluke doesn't come to mind.

If I was playing QB and you were calling the plays, maybe.
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go back and look at how close most of their wins were...then look at how Chizik ended up and how Malzahn is doing the past 2 years....fluke / damn lucky definitely comes to mind.

Without Cam...never would have been in most of those games during the NC year. He was a unique talent in college and maybe turning into one in the pros as well.
 
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