Butch says it takes 6 to 7 years to build a program in the SEC

[allvol21]

That's unrealistic. I believe Butch knows that if we are a .500 team again next year he may be gone.

I heard his remarks about this on vol calls last night. His intentions were not to say that it would take 6-7 years to compete for an SEC championship. He said that he spoke to "someone" recently that felt like it took 6-7 years to completely build the depth on the roster that you want. Anyone that thinks Butch feels like he can keep his job without getting to Atlanta in 6 years is delusional. We know better, and he does too.

 

[McDad]

Cross Meyer off, Gator. He will not even hypothetically coach UF again...bad ticker...

Yeah, his heart is a huge concern. Plus, he wants to spend more time with family.


LOL.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

And the revisionist history regarding the 2015 UF football team continues.

I'd love to see the list of 100 active coaches who would have UF in the very postition they are in right now...

You are completely missing DAJ's point.

Sure McElwain looks genius right now. So would 100 other coaches dropped into the spot instead of him.

Including some of the ones you cross off so flippantly.

Not taking anything away from Jim. He's a good guy, it seems. But he stepped into a pretty good situation, offensive line troubles aside. He's not unique in being able to capitalize on it. Far from it. Statistically, 5 out of every 6 other coaches could do the same.

That's what DAJ is saying. Think he's right.

 

[thebjd]

I agree. We were all duped to believe it was going to be a rebuilding year. They had plenty of talent there, they just needed someone better to manage it.

Coaching matters and the improvement of that offense has been phenomenal with very little future NFL talent. There is no Harvin, Tebow, Hernandez, or Pouncey brothers on that roster. If you didn't see we were the more talented team watching our contest then I can't help you.

 

[McDad]

I heard his remarks about this on vol calls last night. His intentions were not to say that it would take 6-7 years to compete for an SEC championship. He said that he spoke to "someone" recently that felt like it took 6-7 years to completely build the depth on the roster that you want. Anyone that thinks Butch feels like he can keep his job without getting to Atlanta in 6 years is delusional. We know better, and he does too.

Shame on you for bringing context and better understanding to this thread.

 

[ReaderVol]

I heard his remarks about this on vol calls last night. His intentions were not to say that it would take 6-7 years to compete for an SEC championship. He said that he spoke to "someone" recently that felt like it took 6-7 years to completely build the depth on the roster that you want. Anyone that thinks Butch feels like he can keep his job without getting to Atlanta in 6 years is delusional. We know better, and he does too.

Why did you do this? Bringing context into the discussion is harmful to the agenda of the miserables. LOL

 

[SGMVols]

How can he say he thinks that it takes 6-7 years when he has never stayed in a job longer than 3 years?

 

[SaintLouisVol]

For all who are calling TBS on CBJ, how are you defining "build a program?" Even if he does win 9-10 games next year, that doesn't mean the program is "rebuilt."

Rebuilt, IMO, is establishing a pattern and expectation of top recruiting classes and double digit wins year after year.

He could win the national championship next year, and you couldn't fully say that the program is rebuilt.

The short term thinking of many on this board amazes me. Jim McElwain may very well be an outstanding football coach, but he's playing with another coach's team and riding the wave of a "nothing to lose because I am the new guy" mentality. You can't really make any definite statement about his results at Florida until he does the same as mentioned above. You might want to let him recruit for a few years and give other coaches time to acclimate to his system before you crown him.

Is Ole Miss "rebuilt?"

 

[Boca Vol]

How can he say he thinks that it takes 6-7 years when he has never stayed in a job longer than 3 years?

:whistling::detective::question:

 

[Lawrence Wright]

You are completely missing DAJ's point.

Sure McElwain looks genius right now. So would 100 other coaches dropped into the spot instead of him.
Including some of the ones you cross off so flippantly.

Not taking anything away from Jim. He's a good guy, it seems. But he stepped into a pretty good situation, offensive line troubles aside. He's not unique in being able to capitalize on it. Far from it. Statistically, 5 out of every 6 other coaches could do the same.
That's what DAJ is saying. Think he's right.

Behold the power of hindsight....

UF had 6 scholarship offensive linemen this spring.

Our best defensive lineman left school early for the NFL.

Our best linebacker was coming off a gruesome knee injury.

Our offense couldn't score in a Vegas whorehouse.

Picked to finish fifth in the SEC East with a new coach and new offense...a coach who rode Saban's coat tails to a couple NCs at Bama with all-Madden talent.

Three months later and 83% of FBS head coaches can do what McElwain's pulling off in Gainesville.

Okay. lol: :good!:

 

[thebjd]

For all who are calling TBS on CBJ, how are you defining "build a program?" Even if he does win 9-10 games next year, that doesn't mean the program is "rebuilt."

Rebuilt, IMO, is establishing a pattern and expectation of top recruiting classes and double digit wins year after year.

He could win the national championship next year, and you couldn't fully say that the program is rebuilt.

The short term thinking of many on this board amazes me. Jim McElwain may very well be an outstanding football coach, but he's playing with another coach's team and riding the wave of a "nothing to lose because I am the new guy" mentality. You can't really make any definite statement about his results at Florida until he does the same as mentioned above. You might want to let him recruit for a few years and give other coaches time to acclimate to his system before you crown him.

Is Ole Miss "rebuilt?"

The program didn't need rebuilt. Just the roster and the W-L column. The following aspects of a program were in place when he walked through the door.

- Facilities (second to none)
- Recruiting Budget (second to none)
- Fan support (one of the best)
- Tradition (top ten)

 

[Bluetic]

Noted.

DAJ owes us a list of 92 coaches now.

Don't hold your breath. But the cupboard wasn't as bare as many thought. Mac designed a great play for the famous 4th down play based on what he knew UT would be in. It was there, Butch was schooled or at least tutored a bit. Great coaching, but they don't have poor talent at UF...

 

[VFL-82-JP]

How can he say he thinks that it takes 6-7 years when he has never stayed in a job longer than 3 years?

How can you know you'll likely live 70+ years before you've even lived 20?

How can you know it took 20 years to build the Great Pyramid when you weren't there?

You don't have to have personal experience of something to plan out how long it will take. Planners of all sorts (engineers, military, community leaders, etc.) do it all the time.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Don't hold your breath. But the cupboard wasn't as bare as many thought. Mac designed a great play for the famous 4th down play based on what he knew UT would be in. It was there, Butch was schooled or at least tutored a bit. Great coaching, but they don't have poor talent at UF...

If before the season someone told you UF would rally to beat UT by converting four 4th downs passing the ball, with our offensive line and new QB, you'd laugh at them.

As to why UT decided to spy Grier on 4th and 14, after Barnette about killed him on the prior play, that's all on Butch. No way in hell Greir was taking off and running after getting his world rocked.

 

[BeecherVol]

You are completely missing DAJ's point.

Sure McElwain looks genius right now. So would 100 other coaches dropped into the spot instead of him.

Including some of the ones you cross off so flippantly.

Not taking anything away from Jim. He's a good guy, it seems. But he stepped into a pretty good situation, offensive line troubles aside. He's not unique in being able to capitalize on it. Far from it. Statistically, 5 out of every 6 other coaches could do the same.

That's what DAJ is saying. Think he's right.

Zook
Meyer
Muschamp
McElwain

 

[Bluetic]

If before the season someone told you UF would rally to beat UT by converting four 4th downs passing the ball, with our offensive line and new QB, you'd laugh at them.

No...I would have probably just shaken my head and walked away in disgust. This rivalry has been rough on us up here, man.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

The program didn't need rebuilt. Just the roster and the W-L column. The following aspects of a program were in place when he walked through the door.

- Facilities (second to none)
- Recruiting Budget (second to none)
- Fan support (one of the best)
- Tradition (top ten)

Not even close, BJD.

You mention recruiting. But there was a LOT of bad blood between the program and many of the high school coaches we recruit from thanks to Dooley. All those relationships had to be repaired. And that took (is still taking) time.

You mention fan support. But look at these boards. Don't have to go any further than VolNation to see that this fan base is head shy of commitment to any coach right now, and ultra-sensitive to any perceived sign that the coach isn't committed to Tennessee in return. That takes time to repair as well.

I agree with you on facilities (one thing Dooley apparently devoted much time and attention to), and tradition (the one thing even Dooley and Kiffin couldn't kill).

There was (and is) a lot more to do than just recruit a new roster and gather up the Ws.

p.s. You didn't mention finances. But that was broke, too, and is still in recovery.

 

[jasonvol18]

give dobbs some roids and we win the FL game

I don't see what PED's could possibly do to help a QB besides maybe adding weight and helping to recover faster from injuries. Plus Grier being on PED's isn't what lost us the UF game. It was bad coaching and getting killed on 4th downs.

 

[xpsyclonex2002]

Nick Saban, Hugh Freeze, and Steve Spurrier disagree.

 

[patrick]

7 years my arsssss. More time, more mone, bigger buyout. Give me a break. The problem is that some Tennessee fans will actually buy this load of horse manure!

 

[Lawrence Wright]

No...I would have probably just shaken my head and walked away in disgust. This rivalry has been rough on us up here, man.

Oh I understand...UGA ruined my childhood in the 70s and 80s.

But you can't change the narrative on a team everyone thought would struggle to win 7 games after the fact.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I haven't gone back and listened to it again from the archive on utsports.com, but I don't remember him saying it is going to take 6-7 years to return to prominence. He was talking about getting the roster in the best possible shape... having the team leaders be the seniors that they have been brought in to the program. So, he should have said 5-6 years instead of 6-7. It was in response to a question about building up the roster... not simply rebuilding the program. I don't think that he said that it is going to take 6-7 years to return to prominence.

What a **** storm for just not using the exact perfect word during an unscripted call-in radio show. Jeez.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

But you can't change the narrative on a team everyone thought would struggle to win 7 games after the fact.

Oh, I agree that a lot of sports sites and pre-season polls had Florida at or near the bottom.

But it's not revisionist history for DAJ: he was saying all along that Bama, Florida, and Georgia remain more talented than Team 119. Don't believe me, look up his post history. He wasn't predicting Florida would be at or near the bottom of the SEC. He wasn't fooled by the negative hype.

So when he says 100 other coaches could do it, based on statistical analysis, he's not doing revisionist anything. He's just telling it like it is.

 

[LA Vol]

General Neyland already built the program. The foundation was in place long before CBJ was born. CBJ just needs to recruit, develop players and field teams that can play to the standards that have already been set. With the level of talent the coaches are bringing in, UT should be nationally relevant next year and a playoff contender in Year 5. By Year 6, we should be in reload mode. If that's not the case, something's not clicking.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Oh, I agree that a lot of sports sites and pre-season polls had Florida at or near the bottom.

But it's not revisionist history for DAJ: he was saying all along that Bama, Florida, and Georgia remain more talented than Team 119. Don't believe me, look up his post history. He wasn't predicting Florida would be at or near the bottom of the SEC. He wasn't fooled by the negative hype.

So when he says 100 other coaches could do it, based on statistical analysis, he's not doing revisionist anything. He's just telling it like it is.

And I disagree with his statistical analysis suggesting that 83% of current FBS coaches not named Jim McElwain would have UF in the very same position they're in now.

Just don't buy it...