Butch Playing it Smart

#76
#76
SGMVols said:
This game is showing us why Tee Higgins is going to Clemson. We have two 5* WRs in the starting lineup and you would never know it with our idiotic scheme.
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You know that scheme won't change as long as Butch is here, don't you?.....you know that
 
#77
#77
fade route said:
Funny, I don't see Ohio State, Michigan, and Louisvile playing it safe with their openers. Guess Butch is smarter than Meyer, Harbaugh, and Petrino
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They played it safe by scheduling the teams that they did. Bowling Green (93rd), Hawaii (121st), and Charolette (125th). So yes they played vanilla...vanilla cupcake that is.

Big difference playing those teams and playing a top 50 team opening the season where most teams play bad.
 
#78
#78
Will the seniors and leaders of team 120 step up and demand the team wake up and come together, or was their confidence rattled by Appalachian State?
 
#79
#79
"Butch playing it smart"??? O'brother....playing it so safe he liked to have lost. So safe he blew three leads last year and lost the games.
 
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#80
#80
Butch plays 'cautious football.'
It is possible he has reached his ceiling. Great recruiter. So so coach.
Holding final judgment, 3 more games.
 
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#82
Here is my take on the vanilla gameplan, I think its total BS. Especially with Tennessee. We have ran the same type of offensive scheme for awhile now. So when talking about not wanting to show much to VT, what does that even mean? OP, do you think Jones and Debord have some kind of completely different playbook that they will break out for other teams? They dont. We will see the same offense we have always seen next week.

Now I could be totally wrong and I sincerely hope I am. Next week will tell the tale. We are going to need the OL to start playing like the most experienced OL in the SEC. We need Dobbs to be Dobbs. We need the offense to fire on all cylinders and start dominating. We need to see the coaching staff to take off the blinders and start coaching like they are supposed to. If all that happens, then I will agree that Butch intentionally ran a vanilla gameplan. Even if that does happen, the vanilla crap almost cost us a huge upset. It needs to be ditched permanently.
 
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#84
No exotic blitzes...no Hurd/Kamara/Dobbs in the back field at one time...this staff was vanilla...against a team ranked in the top 10 both on offense and defense respectively last year. I've watched enough of Stoops defenses at Vandy and Penn St. to say that was creamy vanilla...and bland 4th quarter Florida game offense. Our athletes and staff thought we could walk through a really good solid veteran team based on athleticism alone and looked towards next Saturday.
This team returning practically everyone...#2 ranked SEC rushing attack btw that should've beaten Florida, Arkansas, BAMA, and Oklahoma last year and dismantled a top Northwestern (which beat Stanford) didn't suddenly forget how to play. They just went out and believed the were untouchable and got a hard shot of reality....before they could pull their pants up fast enough they were getting spanked...and that threw the mental toughness right out the window...mixed with the blah play calling really took this team out of rhythm...hell it never even got rhythm.
 
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#86
#86
Almost getting beaten by neutering the offense is not 'playing it smart.'
The truth is we were very lucky to survive that debacle. That game came down to their kicker missing extra point and field goals, huge plays on defense late in the fourth to stop another winning field goal attempt, then Hurd recovering Dobbs fumble in the end zone - or we lose and season toasted. Not smart at all.
 
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#87
I believe CBJ has reached his ceiling with this offense coordinator, no imagination on plays which I get if your team is man enough to impose their will like Bama does, this team only played well last yr b/c Dobbs scrambling ability. The line is still as bad as it was when he took over, blame Mahoney and CBJ for this. Our receivers are mediocre from the mediocre coaching they've received. Hurd is a great power back but not a finesse back, O breakaway speed, generally goes down with first hit because he runs ^ upright through the whole. Try being a little more imaginative in passing downs, rollout and only give Dobbs have the field(Kiffin idea/Crompton) get him some high percentage pass plays and let him work. Use the I formation more than 1 time a game and this team will excel. I sit here and watch all these games today at great wideouts showing why they're highly recruited and our highly recruited guys are used as blockers. This offense is good for 8-9 wins a yr in SEC at best with this staff. Great recruiting, great coach speak, but on the job training is killing us right now
 
#88
#88
30120vol said:
Michigan is handling a lower tier team like a top 10 team should.Jim Harbaugh isn't holding anything back from the play book. They are just lining up and beating Hawaii down.
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harbaugh is a Douche nozzle
 
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#90
It's frustrating to see so many fans hurt over a damn win. Three of our captains made huge mistakes in this game. Butch and staff clearly went into this game with the "just enough" attitude. We can applaud the adjustments made at halftime on the Defense but when momentum is already on the wrong side and you've had several things work against you, it's understandable the offense never got into it. To me, Dobbs looked like a deer in headlights most of the night. Our line regressed, and it was just ugly all around. Is there any way to chalk it up to it being the first game of the season and see what happens when the bright lights of Bristol are on before we burn down anyone's house?
 
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I keep hearing the vanilla play calling stance and let's say this was the case which I'm sure it was. How hard is it at half time, when your down 13-3, to say ok time to floor these guys and open up the playbook. That never happened until the last drive that we scored.

I think it had more to do with app st. came ready to upset a #9 team and we were thinking about college game day/150000 screaming fans at Bristol and it almost caught us with our pants down.

We shall see where this team is next week and imo app st.>VT so if we don't come out and absolutely floor tech then we may be in trouble this year.


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#92
Unfortunately, this is an easy call. Appalachian State runs a 3-4. They were able to whip our offensive line with only 3 guys allowing 4 linebackers to either drop back on passing downs or run to the ball on running plays.

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Maybe even scarier is the fact that Debord was supposed to be an offensive line guru.
 
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Pump Guy said:
Unfortunately, this is an easy call. Appalachian State runs a 3-4. They were able to whip our offensive line with only 3 guys allowing 4 linebackers to either drop back on passing downs or run to the ball on running plays.

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Maybe even scarier is the fact that Debord was supposed to be an offensive line guru.
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If he is such a guru, why the heck was he cleaning pools?
 
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First off, thank you VFL34 for your perspective. You know more about what really happens in the locker room and practice than any of us yahoos on a message board.

Secondly, I do not believe the sky is falling. I know it was only three minutes in, but the muffed punt and losing JRM early could have been disaster. With everything breaking ASU's way in the first half, a younger Vol team would have folded. That's my story anyway. We toughed it out and won the game. Ohio State does this crap 3 or 4 times a year. One game doesn't mean we went from contender to crap. We are going to be fine.
 
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VFL34 said:
No it's never your strategy to be that close. But they only installed very few plays thinking they could muscle through it and it almost back fired. There is no such thing as holding back plays. You install plays based on your opponent. Against Virginia tech they will have all the plays open
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Thank you. Your game plan depends on your opponent. What they did Thursday will not be what they do in SEC play also.
 
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#96
Orange_Vol1321 said:
I agree, not like our opponents can't pull up our zone read plays from last year anyways.
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Well executed vanilla still tastes good. I'm more concerned about the execution, or lack thereof. I hope they just don't expect to flip a switch and get things going. I'm not taking anything away from Appalachian State. They had a game plan and executed it very well. We did not.
 
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#97
bull bull
The VOLs were not prepared, executed poorly, and almost lost the game to a second tier team.
 
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KBVol said:
I'm not a fan of trying to be vanilla and hide or save things for other, presumably tougher opponents. How about just run what you run and get so good at executing it with superior athletes that it doesn't matter whether or not the bad guys know what's coming? If you wanna hold back on a couple of "trick plays" and save em for your bigger rivals, like we did with Florida last year then ok, that seems sensible.

But otherwise, just go get real good and confident with your system and go run it no matter who the opponent is IMO. If we just tried the other way vs App State, to hold back evidently only run about 5 or 6 total plays out of the offense, I'd say the results were a great reason to never do that again. Jmo.
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If it were this simple there'd be no need for a game plan but alas tis not.
 
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KBVol said:
I'm not a fan of trying to be vanilla and hide or save things for other, presumably tougher opponents. How about just run what you run and get so good at executing it with superior athletes that it doesn't matter whether or not the bad guys know what's coming? If you wanna hold back on a couple of "trick plays" and save em for your bigger rivals, like we did with Florida last year then ok, that seems sensible.

But otherwise, just go get real good and confident with your system and go run it no matter who the opponent is IMO. If we just tried the other way vs App State, to hold back evidently only run about 5 or 6 total plays out of the offense, I'd say the results were a great reason to never do that again. Jmo.
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The problem with this, from what we saw last year, Butch and company have no counter move. Our start of game strategies were dynamite but once the opposition figures them out, we couldn't adjust. I think Butch is just paying his cards very close to the vest for that reason. In game adjustments aren't a thing anymore.
 
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bigsteve13 said:
The problem with this, from what we saw last year, Butch and company have no counter move. Our start of game strategies were dynamite but once the opposition figures them out, we couldn't adjust. I think Butch is just paying his cards very close to the vest for that reason. In game adjustments aren't a thing anymore.
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Butch Jones is super conservative. Being conservative is ok some of the time, but CBJ is conservative to a fault at times. He is also stubborn at times. He will stick to a game plan too long blaming execution on lack of success. These were the exact same traits Fulmer had.

From an armchair coach like myself, run the plays from last year that opened up the field. The other teams already have access to these film clips. Our offense is stagnant without the threat of Dobbs running. When he isn't running, the other team knows exactly what we are going to do.
 
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