Butch on Worley not running.

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Unimane said:
I hope he isn't playing the "You don't understand" card. There are plenty of people watching UT football that know these types of offenses very well and can point out the flaws. This isn't exactly rocket science.
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problem is,90% of everybody on here keep screaming"Worley needs to keep the ball" when 75% of the time(a guess) its not a read option play,but a designed play for the RB,but designed to look like a read option...when they do run the read option,it will look exactly the same...no different than a pro style offense running a draw ,then running a draw play action pass...they look the same,but are 2 totally different plays...bad example I know,but most will get the gist of it...
 
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Qb's eyes are on backside end after snap. If he screams down inside qb keeps, if he stays square to LOS and closes probably gives unless an exceptional athlete. The rb has an option to look for a lane on the play side but he is reading also. He is reading either a lineman or lb depending on how they block it. If his read over pursues play side he is looking for a cutback lane. The third option is if the defense loads the box in. Then the qb has the option to throw a bubble screen or different pass depending on the coverage.
 
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Its a delayed handoff and finesse football that has not worked well all season. It MUST be frustrating for coach to see his back being hit in the backfield so many times? They have been running it less than 10 times each game, not like they need to re-design the whole offense, just stop running it. I think you will see Worley under center more, straight handoffs quick pops against UGA.
 
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vol66 said:
I think he IS saying that and a little more. CBJ politely told the journalists that they and fans can't tell the difference between the power UT runs and the read option. Implicit in the "READ" part of the option is that the QB is responsible for one defender. Many folks don't look to see if we have a hat on a hat...if we do then it's not a read option.

I was watching the game with a friend and I venture to say he was yelling for Worley to pull the ball 70% of the time. It was humorous for a while before becoming tedious.

Over at UT Sports, Mike Strange asked Worley about it in the posted interviews, folks should check that out.

GBO!!!
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I think we can tell it's not working - whether it's an execution thing, talent/right personnel thing, or bad offensive philosophy is the question.
 
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I think it's a good deal of back tracking from just after the OU game when coaches and Worley said he needed to run it more BUT I understand why. I think that between the press and even fans roasting they Worley for never running that they needed to do it. A lot of criticisms went overboard and the reaction to that makes sense.

Even so Worley need to run it more, period. That's been an issue since the system was implemented. And while I understand protecting a player/giving pushback when fans or media get out of hand. Our coaches have also consistently said this, until now. Worley doesn't need to be a constant runner as many have suggested just keep it every now and then and Worley does great when he does do so.

Also, wouldn't surprise me if this weren't something designed to keep UGA thinking JW will never run it when the play is called.
 
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There's a backside fake by the QB on running plays out of a lot of different formations. If the keep is so important, how do running plays out of those formations ever work?
 
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A lot of our running plays are dives and counters out of the shotgun. Watching the Oklahoma game back, the times we did runt he zone read, the DE stayed at home. I'm sure OU expected to get a lot of penetration up front so they told their DE's to stay at home. If our backs can gain some yards running up the middle the DE's will start crash and Worley will have the lane to get up field.

It's a speed offense for quick O-linemen and backs who are great seeing the cutback lanes. Great to pass out of, because we run some playaction(if we can actually run it) Cause it freezes those DE rushing up the field.
 
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Basically, what this is saying is that the majority of the time when we, as fans, say "WTF? Why didn't Worley keep it?"; Worley is thinking "WTF? Why didn't they let me keep it?".

I'm no reading comprehension wizard, though...
 
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VolinDalton said:
Basically, what this is saying is that the majority of the time when we, as fans, say "WTF? Why didn't Worley keep it?"; Worley is thinking "WTF? Why didn't they let me keep it?".

I'm no reading comprehension wizard, though...
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Or we are saying, "why didn't he keep it" on plays that weren't meant for him to keep it. Arkansas st where he's kept the ball the most on the read option were the correct read. The o-line will always show what type of play with who they are blocking.
 
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limsol45 said:
Or we are saying, "why didn't he keep it" on plays that weren't meant for him to keep it. Arkansas st where he's kept the ball the most on the read option were the correct read. The o-line will always show what type of play with who they are blocking.
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Yes.

I'm just saying that I'm sure on those plays, when there are obvious lanes and it's a designed hand-off, Worley would love to keep it, but that wasn't the play called...

You obviously don't have the reading comprehension gene, either... :)
 
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VolinDalton said:
Yes.

I'm just saying that I'm sure on those plays, when there are obvious lanes and it's a designed hand-off, Worley would love to keep it, but that wasn't the play called...

You obviously don't have the reading comprehension gene, either... :)
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I wish we did run the option more often and could Worley the ball in the open lane more often. Granted he's not Tebow type, but it's just another thing the defense has to worry about.
 
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I can only guess but I think it may be buTch trying to protect JW more.

We all know that if JW hadn't gotten hurt last year we would have Won another game or 2 and been in a bowl game which means another 3 or 4 weeks they get to practice and get better.

buTch may know that the next QB up just isn't ready and not as good a passer as JW is so he's maing him take less runing plays unless it's really wide open and he'll have time to get down and slide rather than to take a really hard hit and maybe get hurt again.

If that's the real situation then I can certanly understand trying hard to protect JW so we can have him the whole season and into a bowl game.

Besides, we should all know that buTch isn't going to say anything that will give UGa or anyone else even a tiny little advantage to use against us.

Constant consistency in the O and D schemes will also make us better and better as our youngsters get to really know and understand everything we're trying to accomplish.

#BrickbyBrick...VFL...GBO!!!
 
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Vol4Life_75 said:
The zone read is designed so that if every lineman can get to their man there should be a pretty good cutback lane open for the running back
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Most of the plays are designed for the running back to get the ball. When the OL gets more experience and can more consistently defeat the defense, the option play will be a better play. There is no need in getting the QB killed on every play when the OL in in the learning phase of its development. It takes TIME for experience and coordination to develop. We must be patient and realize the offense is playing 5-6 freshmen on many plays and that an offense takes more time to develop than a defense. Internet coaches seen to have a lower learning curve than the players.
 
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Christian Lowe said:
JONES on Worley running: "I'm going to hold a media clinic on the zone read. It's not always the zone read. Sometimes when it looks like the lane it open, the defensive end is making a play and it wasn't open when the decision was made."
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Huh? The second and third sentences seem unrelated to one another. The second sentence says it's not always the zone read, and the third says that sometimes the running room for the QB only opens up after he makes the read. So, which is it?

Also, what about all the apparently expert posters who have been on here insisting we don't even run a zone read? This does not add up!
 
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Watch the offensive play set from Oklahoma in the sticky thread, its identical to what goes on most games.

They had a base 4-2 front (nickle) and brought pressure occationally with a corner or whatever striker was playing (Rambo?). We were in 10 personnel quite a bit running this zone dive. Not calling it a read option because there is no option, its a called handoff with read action, which isn't fooling anyone at this point.

First, it takes 5 of our lineman to block their 4 man front. Even then they got beat many times. No one is getting to the second level, either by design or incapability, which leaves both lbs running free.

The read action slows the play down quite a bit resulting in the linebackers having whatever hole was initially created well filled by the time the running back arrives. Its a no-win situation and I don't know why we keep running it.

On the 2 plays that Hurd sprung...one involved our guard pushing the tackle so far it created a cutback lane and tripped up the linebackers - kudos to whoever laid that block. Another time we used a tightend and an h-back as lead blockers and caught them undermanned, or out of position, on that side.

Basically, our lone running back zone play is designed to fail as long as the linebackers don't have to think and can gap-fill indescriminately. Worley has to pull the ball and run, or better yet throw a slant over their head as they bite on the dive action, anything to make them hesitate and allow our running backs to get to them in space instead of getting met at the line of scrimmage.
 
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Specs said:
Watch the offensive play set from Oklahoma in the sticky thread, its identical to what goes on most games.

They had a base 4-2 front (nickle) and brought pressure occationally with a corner or whatever striker was playing (Rambo?). We were in 10 personnel quite a bit running this zone dive. Not calling it a read option because there is no option, its a called handoff with read action, which isn't fooling anyone at this point.

First, it takes 5 of our lineman to block their 4 man front. Even then they got beat many times. No one is getting to the second level, either by design or incapability, which leaves both lbs running free.

The read action slows the play down quite a bit resulting in the linebackers having whatever hole was initially created well filled by the time the running back arrives. Its a no-win situation and I don't know why we keep running it.

On the 2 plays that Hurd sprung...one involved our guard pushing the tackle so far it created a cutback lane and tripped up the linebackers - kudos to whoever laid that block. Another time we used a tightend and an h-back as lead blockers and caught them undermanned, or out of position, on that side.

Basically, our lone running back zone play is designed to fail as long as the linebackers don't have to think and can gap-fill indescriminately. Worley has to pull the ball and run, or better yet throw a slant over their head as they bite on the dive action, anything to make them hesitate and allow our running backs to get to them in space instead of getting met at the line of scrimmage.
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Solid post. Sadly, your suggestions are the two things this coaching staff refuses to do. Let Worley run it, and let Worley throw into the middle of the field.
 
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I wouldn't mind seeing a Josh Dobbs package occasionally mixed in. I think it would give defenses more to prepare for. He might could break a few big runs.
 
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Bama_Hater said:
I wouldn't mind seeing a Josh Dobbs package occasionally mixed in. I think it would give defenses more to prepare for. He might could break a few big runs.
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I don't even think that is necessary. Just have Worley run it 5-6 times a game to keep the defense honest. It would help play action too, taking 2 players out of the play, one that has to account for the RB and one that has to account for the QB.
 
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Specs said:
Watch the offensive play set from Oklahoma in the sticky thread, its identical to what goes on most games.

They had a base 4-2 front (nickle) and brought pressure occationally with a corner or whatever striker was playing (Rambo?). We were in 10 personnel quite a bit running this zone dive. Not calling it a read option because there is no option, its a called handoff with read action, which isn't fooling anyone at this point.

First, it takes 5 of our lineman to block their 4 man front. Even then they got beat many times. No one is getting to the second level, either by design or incapability, which leaves both lbs running free.

The read action slows the play down quite a bit resulting in the linebackers having whatever hole was initially created well filled by the time the running back arrives. Its a no-win situation and I don't know why we keep running it.

On the 2 plays that Hurd sprung...one involved our guard pushing the tackle so far it created a cutback lane and tripped up the linebackers - kudos to whoever laid that block. Another time we used a tightend and an h-back as lead blockers and caught them undermanned, or out of position, on that side.

Basically, our lone running back zone play is designed to fail as long as the linebackers don't have to think and can gap-fill indescriminately. Worley has to pull the ball and run, or better yet throw a slant over their head as they bite on the dive action, anything to make them hesitate and allow our running backs to get to them in space instead of getting met at the line of scrimmage.
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I think the highlighted part is the most critical. It is difficult to read the DE when you have DTs, LBs and CBs in places you don't expect (i.e. in your face). The Oline isn't getting the push they need yet and that is disrupting the play before it can get going. I think that is more a factor of their inexperience rather than their strength and they are getting better. We'll see Saturday!
 
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YorkVol said:
I think the highlighted part is the most critical. It is difficult to read the DE when you have DTs, LBs and CBs in places you don't expect (i.e. in your face). The Oline isn't getting the push they need yet and that is disrupting the play before it can get going. I think that is more a factor of their inexperience rather than their strength and they are getting better. We'll see Saturday!
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What evidence do you have to suggest they are getting better? We have not seen them play since the OU game and that was arguably the worst offensive line performance we have had in probably 30 years. Are you just assuming they can't be worse? Because that would be valid.

I am not trying to be a richard here. It is a legitimately serious question. I have seen quite a few people suggest now that "they are getting better" instead of saying "they should get better" and I am just wondering why they believe it.
 
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omghulkhands said:
Is he saying that sometimes the play has no run option, but it appears to? and other times the play does, but the DE is making a play when the read is made?

I am asking because I really don't understand what he is saying out of context without hearing it.
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What he's saying is "you fans and media, don't worry your pretty little heads about all this football stuff. We grown ups have it under cotrol."
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
What he's saying is "you fans and media, don't worry your pretty little heads about all this football stuff. We grown ups have it under cotrol."
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Agree 100%. People don't think the coaches see the exact same thing we fans see? There is a reason Worley is not keeping it, and coach knows what it is but he ain't sayin.
 
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