Butch mis-understood!

[1974Vol]

We were not booing the players, we were booing the coaching decisions and play calling.

They're called a team for a reason. You boo one you're booing them all. What's next, we're booing Jumper not the LB core as a whole; we're booing Martin not the whole D; we're booing Croom not Malone? I got no problem with people booing if that's what you want to do but at least have the guts to own up to what you're doing.

 

[luthervol]

I have heard some criticism on the radio over the last couple of days about the pouring out of BOOS in the first half. Particularly just before the half.

Let me state that I am not a BOOER, I just shake my head.

I will say that it is okay to BOO if you want. Fans want to see an exciting game and once again the Vols came out flat as hell. Too many mistakes again. But most importantly the play calling was extremely basic and predictable. They weren't trying much on Defense either.

The fans were booing the staff 100% and that is okay. If you think it's not okay, get over yourself.

Most of the booing came when Jones decided to tuck it away with plenty of time before half and timeouts.

For the Vols to come out, once again, ill prepared and sloppy......it seemed they were packing it in....

Let me also add that I am extremely pleased with how Shoop changed the personnel in the 2nd half. Playing the more athletic linebackers allowed Jumper to play to his strengths without having to do too much. Also, getting Martin out of the game. Martin is better than what we have seen from him, I do believe.

Whatever the coaches did to make the decision to open things up showed that when they let the team just play and put their best athletes on the field, they can be unstoppable.

But when Butch is tight and reserved, it flows over to the players and they are truly a mirror of his demeanor and decisions.

It is okay to boo if you want.....
It's also okay to not bathe or use deodorant or brush your teeth.

It's just that most people find these things very unbecoming and a tad low class.

But it is your right to choose.

 

[Ghost of Archvol]

You'll never direct a boo. They all feel it. The players and coaches are one team. No matter how you feel, you're booing them all.

what's up st. louis vol? where at in the lou do/did you live? i was in chesterfield in the late 90s and st. charles too. love the blues also - i make at least one game per year.

 

[The Tall Gguy]

The booing was very clear on TV. I honestly took it as the fans were booing the overall performance, but specifically the decision not to go for a score before the half---I know, I know, if they had gone for it and Fla had intercepted a pass and scored again...
I'm just saying what I saw.

Go VOLS!!! Great win.

 

[sechamp2012]

The point of the original post was to let players know (if there is even one that follows Vol Nation) that (at least I didn't believe) the boos was not directed at them. It was to defend the players. The comment was to address something Butch said post game that came across as if he was implying the booing was at the players and coaches collectively. I can't imagine anyone ever booing young, impressionable players that work so hard.
In the end, the coaches are responsible for preparing the players and the game plan for the game. At half-time it looked like once again (4 straight games, they hadn't done their job. They clearly made the right adjustments and the players stepped-up.
Like someone else noted, I have never booed and simply shake my head. I wasn't as the game but, heard to on TV and understood the fans frustrations.

They normally don't follow Vol Nation but when they do they BOO. The most interesting players in the world:good!:

 

[TNDeb3]

I've never seen so many pissed off fans of a 4-0 team that just ended a terrible streak that looked dangerously close to being extended. They didn't play their best football the first half and to start the second half, but they pulled it off! That was the very definition of "never give up". It would have been so easy to stay in that locker room and let the game get away, to give you nega vols even more to complain about, but they came out and showed us what they are capable of. You guys are just going to have to swallow your pride and admit you were wrong about this game, about this team. After all, it was the same players and coaches that went in at half time and came out after half time. This is very exciting. GET BEHIND THIS TEAM OR GTFO!

Took the words right outta my mouth! Not only are we 4-0, we're on a 10 game winning streak!!!

FFS!!! :thud:


:rock:
GBO!!!

 

[SolidRockGolf]

You're too emotional.. You wouldn't have responded to the boos like the team did. Maybe you would cry. They came out and proved everyone wrong....

Lol.. Internet tough guy

 

[Iam4utalways]

I stated I don't boo. Read...........

So since the Boos didn't make them cry could it have actually inspired them to come out and prove everyone wrong?

Sure enough, in bold and everything. My bad. Did I miss the point of your post? Endorsing the boo. Thinking the boo helped the team. When "outside noise" comes from our Loyal Vol Fans it's a bad thing. Thanks for not booing our team, but I boo you for defending booing our team.

I booed myself too, for missing that. My bad.

 

[Roustabout]

the boos were deserved. it was a horrible half of football. UT has danced with disaster by being sloppy and unfocused. Butch took 2 timeouts into the lockeroom. As bad as that team was he should have utilized them. He even goofed the clock mgt at the end of the game.

this is the weakest SEC east in two decades. shut up and do your job.

 

[SandoVOL]

If anything were to destroy confidence in players, it would be the coach taking a knee inside two minutes with 2 timeouts left down 3 scores, not some boo birds in the bleachers.

 

[jonnon111]

I consider myself a diehard. I have been and will be a volunteer fan my whole life. I was there. I booed the decision to go in at half. It may have been smart in hindsight to go regroup, but at what point are you honest?

I teach young people and you build them up, but sometimes you have to let them know there current level of effort is unacceptable, but you support their growth. Doesn't mean it's all rahrah and pom poms. They need a carrot and a stick.

So, I booed Saturdayou. I also stuck around and watched the whole game. I rooted for us to succeed. I celebrated our positives and didn't give up even after the pick on our first Drive of 3q. I stayed with them for 30 years through ups and downs, doesn't mean I have to approve of everything they do.

 

[EZE]

In retrospect, it seems obvious that the team was tight and the best coaching option at the end of the first half -- when you're down 21-3, have the ball deep in your own territory, with 40 seconds left in the half -- is to avoid further damage, regroup at halftime, and hope to play up to your potential in the second half. They did. That was smart coaching, and the boo birds were wrong.

If you want an example of bad coaching, it's trying to score an unnecessary, feel-good touchdown at the end of the game, opening yourself up to the possibility of a turnover touchdown by the Gators, followed by a Florida-recovered onside kick and another score, and a devastating defeat at the hands of a bitter rival. That's a long-odds scenario, but the fact is the Vols could have avoided any risk whatsoever by taking a knee three times to run out the clock.

That truly was bad coaching -- but I didn't hear anybody booing.

I agree with you that we should have taken 4 knees and handed them the ball with :10 and a 10-point deficit. I understand that Butch was running real plays to burn that extra :10, but the smarter decision would have been victory formation.

The last running play was okay. But, the 2 before that should have been avoided.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

Defensively my friend. Defensively.

Your post didn't indicate you were referring to defensive playcalling. You said...

But most importantly the play calling was extremely basic and predictable.

and then in the next sentence said...

They weren't trying much on Defense either.

...which makes it at least appear you were referring to offensive playcalling in the first sentence and then referred to the defense in the following sentence.

If that entire rant was about the defense then my bad. But I have my doubts you actually were referring to defensive playcalling.

 

[QuickSmurf]

Not surprised by this. He seems incapable of handling being second guessed. He may very well find himself in similar spot if he does not become self-aware. It's early in the season and we've got 3 key games directly ahead and USCe and Mizzu aren't planning on forfeiting either. Long-term concerns are all still there for me. I hope he has my name on that back pocket list he carries. I still doubt his ability. I'm elated with this win, though, so I'm doing my best to not let any doubts interfere. This post game "scolding" is going to bring me down from my high though. That first half was abysmal and the two games against cupcakes (appy and ohio) were unacceptably boorish form a playcalling perspective. Good coaches don't hide playbooks or coach down to opponents. I'm sure the jones crowd will use this "signature win" as justification of silencing any and all forms of criticism. Fact is, we should have won that game (and we did, thankfully). Superior talent, more experience, home field advantage, UF back-up qb, etc. I'm super happy for the win but it may be a pyrrhic victory if it gives jones an excuse to remain stubborn and not seek improvement as a coach. No coach will last in the SEC if they don't improve. Demands are too high and other schools' coaches will improve or be replaced.

Prick of the year award to you sir

 

[shoney]

I have said this on here before. I don't think coaches and players really give a sh** about being booed. If they do they are mentally weak, which is what I think Butch was pointing out.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

This hatred towards fans is hilarious. VolNation is one of the largest, most supportive fan bases in all of college sports. And the booing was, in my view, the coaches. Gotta perform. The talent is there. The experience is there. Expectations, as a result, are there. I am elated with this win but I really hope there isn't any animosity thrown at UT fans. It's undeserved if so. The fans were there vs Oklahoma last year and, after that disappointment, were there at Georgia (when we were 2-3). I was at the UGA game. It was nuts. Any griping at the fans should be met quickly with some "no sir, not going to let you spin that" real quick!

There is this small but very active bunch of fans who are not capable of understand the game of football and what it takes to rebuild a destroyed football program into a longterm winning program. It takes time and some fans want instant satisfaction rather than reconstruct the program wth a strong base. Enjoy the program as it expands into a championship caliber program.

 

[flatiron]

If anything were to destroy confidence in players, it would be the coach taking a knee inside two minutes with 2 timeouts left down 3 scores, not some boo birds in the bleachers.

But "taking a knee inside two minutes with 2 timeouts left down 3 scores" didn't seem to destroy their confidence at all, did it?

 

[OrangeTsar]

I think far too many long suffering UT fans are still viewing CBJ THROUGH the lense of the last 15 years. In the words of Bruce Springsteen "end up like a dog that's been beat too much, spend half your life just covering up." I think too many just can't believe that we have a coach who learns, adapts and changes. But we do folks. This man is not the late years Fulmer or Kiffin or Dooley. He adapts. Firing Janeck and bringing in Shop was a big time move. And I guarantee you that he will fire DeBoard in a heartbeat if he thinks it will help this team? Is he perfect? No of course not. But I can tell that this man hates to loose. He is a little conservative but not suicidal so. He has us at 4 and 0 and on a ten game win streak with the best defense we have had in over a decade and with a rapidly maturing offense. Give the staff a break. I know of a ton of teams that would gladly trade places with us right now.

Plus, think about this, if my memeory is working (no certain thing) this is the first win over Florida in the last 20 years not squeaked by and decided by a last second FG or FG miss. We controlled UF and beat them soundly.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

But "taking a knee inside two minutes with 2 timeouts left down 3 scores" didn't seem to destroy their confidence at all, did it?

Yep. Not nearly as much as a TO leading to a TD and being down 28-3 at halftime would have.

 

[EZE]

Tennessee's Win Over Florida Wasn't What You Think It Was - Team Speed Kills

Bingo.

 

[banjrman]

This hatred towards fans is hilarious. VolNation is one of the largest, most supportive fan bases in all of college sports. And the booing was, in my view, the coaches. Gotta perform. The talent is there. The experience is there. Expectations, as a result, are there. I am elated with this win but I really hope there isn't any animosity thrown at UT fans. It's undeserved if so. The fans were there vs Oklahoma last year and, after that disappointment, were there at Georgia (when we were 2-3). I was at the UGA game. It was nuts. Any griping at the fans should be met quickly with some "no sir, not going to let you spin that" real quick!

I think they were booing the refs

 

[EZE]

I think far too many long suffering UT fans are still viewing CBJ THROUGH the lense of the last 15 years. In the words of Bruce Springsteen "end up like a dog that's been beat too much, spend half your life just covering up." I think too many just can't believe that we have a coach who learns, adapts and changes. But we do folks. This man is not the late years Fulmer or Kiffin or Dooley. He adapts. Firing Janeck and bringing in Shop was a big time move. And I guarantee you that he will fire DeBoard in a heartbeat if he thinks it will help this team? Is he perfect? No of course not. But I can tell that this man hates to loose. He is a little conservative but not suicidal so. He has us at 4 and 0 and on a ten game win streak with the best defense we have had in over a decade and with a rapidly maturing offense. Give the staff a break. I know of a ton of teams that would gladly trade places with us right now.

Plus, think about this, if my memeory is working (no certain thing) this is the first win over Florida in the last 20 years not squeaked by and decided by a last second FG or FG miss. We controlled UF and beat them soundly.

Lot of truth in here. Excellent post.

 

[volfan102455]

He even goofed the clock mgt at the end of the game.

Not really. There was a penalty on one of the plays that ended up stopping the clock unexpectedly. If that had not happened only 3 plays would have been needed for the clock to run out. Because of that there were 5 seconds left so they had to have a play to run off those 5 seconds.

 

[volfan102455]

I agree with you that we should have taken 4 knees and handed them the ball with :10 and a 10-point deficit. I understand that Butch was running real plays to burn that extra :10, but the smarter decision would have been victory formation.

The last running play was okay. But, the 2 before that should have been avoided.

If he had done that you would have complained about that as well. The plays called were 'safe plays'.

 

[volfan102455]

I don't see anything hypocritical in what I've said. I've called out several butchites for being, what I believe, are shills for jones, as they appear to support him above the program. JohnD13 and VolFreakJosh are two of several I identified as UTAD shills.

This is both scary and hilarious. Those you called out are obviously not the ones with an agenda.

I'm beginning to think that you really aren't a fan but a troll from another school.