Butch mis-understood!

#76
#76
At some point..the PLAYERS have to be held accountable! They were not FLAT...they played tight! The players are responsible for "their" play and the execution!
 
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utvolpj said:
Do boos directed at players sound different than boos directed at coaches? Have we explained this difference to all the recruits in attendance so they don't get confused?
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So since the Boos didn't make them cry could it have actually inspired them to come out and prove everyone wrong?
 
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I'm getting tired of the boos everytime an opposing player is injured. I know what happened with App St and I understand the questionable nature of some of those injuries. But truth is they're not faking everytime. Why would one of the best defenders take himself out of the game faking it just to buy several seconds? I'm not saying it's never fake, but to me it's really rude and classless for the crowd to shower the field with boos the very moment they see someone is down. I can only imagine what recruits and opposing fans/parents of those players are thinking, who are used to the tip of the cap applause when an injured player comes off the field.
 
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madbamahater said:
I have heard some criticism on the radio over the last couple of days about the pouring out of BOOS in the first half. Particularly just before the half.

Let me state that I am not a BOOER, I just shake my head.

I will say that it is okay to BOO if you want. Fans want to see an exciting game and once again the Vols came out flat as hell. Too many mistakes again. But most importantly the play calling was extremely basic and predictable. They weren't trying much on Defense either.

The fans were booing the staff 100% and that is okay. If you think it's not okay, get over yourself.

Most of the booing came when Jones decided to tuck it away with plenty of time before half and timeouts.

For the Vols to come out, once again, ill prepared and sloppy......it seemed they were packing it in....

Let me also add that I am extremely pleased with how Shoop changed the personnel in the 2nd half. Playing the more athletic linebackers allowed Jumper to play to his strengths without having to do too much. Also, getting Martin out of the game. Martin is better than what we have seen from him, I do believe.

Whatever the coaches did to make the decision to open things up showed that when they let the team just play and put their best athletes on the field, they can be unstoppable.

But when Butch is tight and reserved, it flows over to the players and they are truly a mirror of his demeanor and decisions.
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To the average illiterate fan, they see 3 points in the first half and immediately say "too conservative, too boring." Aside from Dobbs running a little bit more in the second half, though, the game plan was not much different from first half to second half. We threw the ball down the field and moved it well in both halves. We just had MANY drops (i.e., lack of execution) in the first half that either kept points off the board or ended drives. There probably were around 5 drops like that in the first half.

Butch was absolutely correct to pack it in on our own 10 with :40 to go and Florida sitting with 2 time outs. The small chance of success (3 points at best) was not worth the risk (3 and out and then good field position and 3-7 points for Florida).

It did seem like the D front was more active in the second half, but I don't know what Shoop did their that was magical.

This fan base is way to quick to knee jerk and jump to hysterical conclusions. Might want to pay attention as to what is actually happening on the field.
 
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madbamahater said:
I have heard some criticism on the radio over the last couple of days about the pouring out of BOOS in the first half. Particularly just before the half.

Let me state that I am not a BOOER, I just shake my head.

I will say that it is okay to BOO if you want. Fans want to see an exciting game and once again the Vols came out flat as hell. Too many mistakes again. But most importantly the play calling was extremely basic and predictable. They weren't trying much on Defense either.

The fans were booing the staff 100% and that is okay. If you think it's not okay, get over yourself.

Most of the booing came when Jones decided to tuck it away with plenty of time before half and timeouts.

For the Vols to come out, once again, ill prepared and sloppy......it seemed they were packing it in....

Let me also add that I am extremely pleased with how Shoop changed the personnel in the 2nd half. Playing the more athletic linebackers allowed Jumper to play to his strengths without having to do too much. Also, getting Martin out of the game. Martin is better than what we have seen from him, I do believe.

Whatever the coaches did to make the decision to open things up showed that when they let the team just play and put their best athletes on the field, they can be unstoppable.

But when Butch is tight and reserved, it flows over to the players and they are truly a mirror of his demeanor and decisions.
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Dumb argument, be like defending booing during a game by saying you only meant it for the coaching and then pretending the players don't hear it either... oh wait.
 
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madbamahater said:
You obviously didn't read my original post. I followed it up with my positive thoughts. Also stated that I am not a booer myself. You obviously just read the thread title and not my post...
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I read through your attempt to not look negative.... and that's how I saw it.
 
#84
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madbamahater said:
I have heard some criticism on the radio over the last couple of days about the pouring out of BOOS in the first half. Particularly just before the half.

Let me state that I am not a BOOER, I just shake my head.

I will say that it is okay to BOO if you want. Fans want to see an exciting game and once again the Vols came out flat as hell. Too many mistakes again. But most importantly the play calling was extremely basic and predictable. They weren't trying much on Defense either.

The fans were booing the staff 100% and that is okay. If you think it's not okay, get over yourself.

Most of the booing came when Jones decided to tuck it away with plenty of time before half and timeouts.

For the Vols to come out, once again, ill prepared and sloppy......it seemed they were packing it in....

Let me also add that I am extremely pleased with how Shoop changed the personnel in the 2nd half. Playing the more athletic linebackers allowed Jumper to play to his strengths without having to do too much. Also, getting Martin out of the game. Martin is better than what we have seen from him, I do believe.

Whatever the coaches did to make the decision to open things up showed that when they let the team just play and put their best athletes on the field, they can be unstoppable.

But when Butch is tight and reserved, it flows over to the players and they are truly a mirror of his demeanor and decisions.
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You hit the nail on the head this time madman. Couldn't agree more with your entire assessment.
 
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Top Gun said:
You hit the nail on the head this time madman. Couldn't agree more with your entire assessment.
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I couldn't disagree more, especially with the "playing tight and conservative" part. Completely wrong.
 
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madbamahater said:
I have heard some criticism on the radio over the last couple of days about the pouring out of BOOS in the first half. Particularly just before the half.

Let me state that I am not a BOOER, I just shake my head.

I will say that it is okay to BOO if you want. Fans want to see an exciting game and once again the Vols came out flat as hell. Too many mistakes again. But most importantly the play calling was extremely basic and predictable. They weren't trying much on Defense either.

The fans were booing the staff 100% and that is okay. If you think it's not okay, get over yourself.

Most of the booing came when Jones decided to tuck it away with plenty of time before half and timeouts.

For the Vols to come out, once again, ill prepared and sloppy......it seemed they were packing it in....

Let me also add that I am extremely pleased with how Shoop changed the personnel in the 2nd half. Playing the more athletic linebackers allowed Jumper to play to his strengths without having to do too much. Also, getting Martin out of the game. Martin is better than what we have seen from him, I do believe.

Whatever the coaches did to make the decision to open things up showed that when they let the team just play and put their best athletes on the field, they can be unstoppable.

But when Butch is tight and reserved, it flows over to the players and they are truly a mirror of his demeanor and decisions.
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If former and current players told you it doesn't matter that the boos were directed at the coaches they impact the whole team in a negative way.

Would you stop booing?

Or would you justify your booing?

I've heard players talk about having each other's back, booing is not a way to show someone "I've got your back".
 
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ValleyAlVol said:
Doesn't really matter who they were booing, the players still hear it and they don't differentiate who the boos were meant for...
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They were not born yesterday.. they know where boos where directed. I doesn't take a genius to figure that out because they are not kids they are young adults.
 
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EZE said:
To the average illiterate fan, they see 3 points in the first half and immediately say "too conservative, too boring." Aside from Dobbs running a little bit more in the second half, though, the game plan was not much different from first half to second half. We threw the ball down the field and moved it well in both halves. We just had MANY drops (i.e., lack of execution) in the first half that either kept points off the board or ended drives. There probably were around 5 drops like that in the first half.

Butch was absolutely correct to pack it in on our own 10 with :40 to go and Florida sitting with 2 time outs. The small chance of success (3 points at best) was not worth the risk (3 and out and then good field position and 3-7 points for Florida).

It did seem like the D front was more active in the second half, but I don't know what Shoop did their that was magical.

This fan base is way to quick to knee jerk and jump to hysterical conclusions. Might want to pay attention as to what is actually happening on the field.
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The defensive game plan was entirely different the second half. From a philosophy standpoint to a personnel standpoint it was entirely, entirely different.

We saw players on defense we have never seen before
 
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smokey0625 said:
Dumb argument, be like defending booing during a game by saying you only meant it for the coaching and then pretending the players don't hear it either... oh wait.
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So since the Boos didn't make them cry could it have actually inspired them to come out and prove everyone wrong?
 
#90
#90
One "fan" threw a cup of ice at the TN bench and hit a player. It happened at the end of the first half. The player fired it back into the crowd.
 
#91
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madbamahater said:
The defensive game plan was entirely different the second half. From a philosophy standpoint to a personnel standpoint it was entirely, entirely different.

We saw players on defense we have never seen before
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Fair enough, but my comments concerning the offense and decision-making stand.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
If former and current players told you it doesn't matter that the boos were directed at the coaches they impact the whole team in a negative way.

Would you stop booing?

Or would you justify your booing?

I've heard players talk about having each other's back, booing is not a way to show someone "I've got your back".
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I stated I don't boo. Read...........

So since the Boos didn't make them cry could it have actually inspired them to come out and prove everyone wrong?
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
But most importantly the play calling was extremely basic and predictable.

I thought the playcalling was solid in the 1st half and had the gator defense off balance and unsure. If someone would have just held on to a damn pass in the first half at the very worst we would have only been down a FG. Over 160 yds of offense.. So I don't get the complaining about playcalling in the 1st half. The issue in the 1st half was lack of execution and I think that was a result of nerves. Media and fanbase put the weight of 11 years of frustration on that teams' shoulders and I think they came out feeling it. Great job by the staff and team leaders in calming the team down, and in the 2nd half they just came out and played ball without a care.
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I basically feel the same.
There will always be calls that we disagree with, but if the dropped passes are caught, the entire first half looks different.
Shoop seems to always have a better defensive second half so I'm not even going to get into that.

As far as boos, free country but if this team is a team, then they are not going to differentiate an assistant coach, from the head coach, to the offense, to the defense. They feel as one unit.
 
#95
#95
I may be classified as a Nega. But I'm not a boo-er. There are more constructive ways to express frustration . I've stated many times my dissatisfaction is never with the team, but with the coaches, and I would never want those young men to mistake my intentions. The other reason not to boo was sitting in the north end zone bleachers....about 100 recruits. That is the last thing they should hear when making their decision to dedicate the next three to four years making UT their home.
 
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Poor execution the first half. Dropped passes, penalties, interception, it killed us.
We had 40 seconds left in the half to drive from deep in our own territory. Assuming about 7 seconds per play and we stop the clock after each one that is 6 plays, 1 of which would be a field goal. So we would have 5 plays to go all the way down the field. Florida would have been playing prevent defense. I do not believe that Dobbs has the consistency and accuracy of a passer to throw the ball 60-70 yards in 5 plays with them playing prevent. He likely would have thrown a pick. The reason Dobbs did so well throwing the second half is because Florida tried to blitz and play man coverage and our guys beat them. I stand by our decision to run the clock out.
 
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madbamahater said:
I have heard some criticism on the radio over the last couple of days about the pouring out of BOOS in the first half. Particularly just before the half.

Let me state that I am not a BOOER, I just shake my head.

I will say that it is okay to BOO if you want. Fans want to see an exciting game and once again the Vols came out flat as hell. Too many mistakes again. But most importantly the play calling was extremely basic and predictable. They weren't trying much on Defense either.

The fans were booing the staff 100% and that is okay. If you think it's not okay, get over yourself.

Most of the booing came when Jones decided to tuck it away with plenty of time before half and timeouts.

For the Vols to come out, once again, ill prepared and sloppy......it seemed they were packing it in....

Let me also add that I am extremely pleased with how Shoop changed the personnel in the 2nd half. Playing the more athletic linebackers allowed Jumper to play to his strengths without having to do too much. Also, getting Martin out of the game. Martin is better than what we have seen from him, I do believe.

Whatever the coaches did to make the decision to open things up showed that when they let the team just play and put their best athletes on the field, they can be unstoppable.

But when Butch is tight and reserved, it flows over to the players and they are truly a mirror of his demeanor and decisions.
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I disagree that the play calling was basic or bad except for the series on the 2 after the Callaway punt fumble. Without the dropped balls the score at halftime could have been 21 to 17.

Play calling on offense didn't change in the 2cd half everyone started catching passes.

There was plenty to fix at the end of the first half which is why they shut it down and ran the clock out.
 
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SolidRockGolf said:
We've already went through this. If you boo the staff you boo the players!! ** below from last thread **

"Also the case could be said for your view. Boo's effect the whole team regardless who they are pointed too. Maybe you just want to misunderstand to have something to complain about.

Butch didn't drop those passes and we were in the red zone 4 times with only 3 points. It's not like they were coaching bad."

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http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/262962-butch-mis-understood.html

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Negavols are struggling to find something
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The point of the original post was to let players know (if there is even one that follows Vol Nation) that (at least I didn't believe) the boos was not directed at them. It was to defend the players. The comment was to address something Butch said post game that came across as if he was implying the booing was at the players and coaches collectively. I can't imagine anyone ever booing young, impressionable players that work so hard.
In the end, the coaches are responsible for preparing the players and the game plan for the game. At half-time it looked like once again (4 straight games, they hadn't done their job. They clearly made the right adjustments and the players stepped-up.
Like someone else noted, I have never booed and simply shake my head. I wasn't as the game but, heard to on TV and understood the fans frustrations.
 
#99
#99
People boo poor clock management, bad play calling, cheap shots by opposing team's players and 'bad' calls by the refs. I don't condone booing except in the last two circumstances, but it should be well known by generally anyone who knows the game of football that a booing fan base are NOT booing their own players. Again, still do not condone/agree with it.
 
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#100
In retrospect, it seems obvious that the team was tight and the best coaching option at the end of the first half -- when you're down 21-3, have the ball deep in your own territory, with 40 seconds left in the half -- is to avoid further damage, regroup at halftime, and hope to play up to your potential in the second half. They did. That was smart coaching, and the boo birds were wrong.

If you want an example of bad coaching, it's trying to score an unnecessary, feel-good touchdown at the end of the game, opening yourself up to the possibility of a turnover touchdown by the Gators, followed by a Florida-recovered onside kick and another score, and a devastating defeat at the hands of a bitter rival. That's a long-odds scenario, but the fact is the Vols could have avoided any risk whatsoever by taking a knee three times to run out the clock.

That truly was bad coaching -- but I didn't hear anybody booing.
 
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