Butch: "Mark my words..."

You do understand the situation he had at USC, dont you? He kept the ship floating, unlike Tennessee did with Dooley.

He was here for one year and he had a pretty good run with the hand he was dealt.

Too be fair that was a top 15 Va Tech team that had a QB by the name of Tyrod Taylor who I believe is still playing in Buffalo.

I don't want kiffin back but to sit here and act like hes a terrible coach is just sour grapes on your part. If were being honest, hes a better Xs and Os guy than Butch and its not even close.

I think this is fair to a degree. Have you given either a football test? Regardless, I sometimes wonder how much X's and O's matter vs being a head coach vs being a coordinator. You have to be a LEADER to be a HC. Kiffin struggles in this area... but I think he has also grown a great deal in this area so it may be his time. He's a smart person obviously and I don't think he would work under Saban and not soak up the knowledge. I hope he does go to LSU because I don't want to okay his team year in and out.
 
You do understand the situation he had at USC, dont you? He kept the ship floating, unlike Tennessee did with Dooley.

He was here for one year and he had a pretty good run with the hand he was dealt.

Too be fair that was a top 15 Va Tech team that had a QB by the name of Tyrod Taylor who I believe is still playing in Buffalo.

I don't want kiffin back but to sit here and act like hes a terrible coach is just sour grapes on your part. If were being honest, hes a better Xs and Os guy than Butch and its not even close.

It's amazing how little some fans know (or just plain ignore). They simply let their bias get in the way. Kiffin was handcuffed by the penalties from Carroll.
 
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I think this is fair to a degree. Have you given either a football test? Regardless, I sometimes wonder how much X's and O's matter vs being a head coach vs being a coordinator. You have to be a LEADER to be a HC. Kiffin struggles in this area... but I think he has also grown a great deal in this area so it may be his time. He's a smart person obviously and I don't think he would work under Saban and not soak up the knowledge. I hope he does go to LSU because I don't want to okay his team year in and out.

If you're not going to surround yourself with great coordinators and let them run their systems then you had better be a great Xs and Os guy.
 
He's likely to get a raise if we win nine regular season games.

I don't mind a raise. Just no extensions. For Butch from now on, extensions should come only if we win SEC titles. We could raise him to harbaugh but it's the extensions that put UT in a bind.
 
We are not Florida. We don't have the talent base that they do. McElwain got more 5* recruits in his first recruiting class than Butch has in 4. Is it bc McElwain is a great recruiter? No, it's bc both recruits grew up UF fans and dreamed of playing there. There are 20 million people living in Florida, 6.5 million in Tennessee. More people = better odds of having freak athletes. Florida will always have this advantage over us

Make all the excuses you want. Butch is a joke and he has watched new coaches come in and walk away with the east. He can't even beat Muschamp. But I guess Muschamp is the next Saban, right?
 
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QB genius?!? How many of the QB's from his head coaching stent at USC are currently playing in the NFL?? Oh wait that's right, zero... How many of the QB's he has coached at Bama are currently tearing up the NFL??? Yup, it's zero again... honestly, w/ the statements I've read from you this far you're sounding much like a lot of teenagers I know, think they know everything, unwilling to accept instruction & completely wrong 99% of the time...


Is Tennessee moving to the NFL? They can't even win the east.

I don't want Kiffin here, but to use the NFL as proof of anything in college is just dumb.
 
I honestly wish Butch Jones would stop saying we have the best fans in America. We don't. The stadium wasn't even half full in the 4th quarter and you all make coming on this board painful and and make our fan base look like a bunch of whining little babies that are detached from reality.

You should all be ashamed and should question your level of fanaticism and level of which you look at life as a positive experience. Our fans are sick with negativity and it is a poor reflection on Knoxville as well as volnation.com. You all collectively are a part of a negative experience. Congratulations.

Let me put things into perspective. I am not going to get lost in the clouds like you all, because framing reality would not include what could have been or what we all wanted to happen. That isn't reality. What counts is where we were and where we are.

So, that being said, does anyone remember losing to Kentucky, Vandy, SC, Florida, Georgia AND Missouri? I think the only thing we were able to avoid was losing to ALL of them in one year. Well we have beat all but 1 of those teams this year and with more injuries to our team than I can remember. Does anyone remember going 5-6 in 2009 (no bowl), 6-7 in 2010 (bowl loss), 5-7 in 2011 (no bowl), 5-7 in 2012 (no bowl), 5-7 in 2013 (no bowl),7-6, 6-6 in 2014 excluding our bowl win, 8-5, 7-5 excluding our bowl win in 2015 and 9-4, 8-4 excluding our bowl win last year. (You may have noticed a slight uptick in those figures and well guess who was responsible for that and our possible 10-3 record this year?)

So,I am not sure what logic it is you are using to base your realistically founded opinions on, but from what I can see, 10-3 is NOT a total disaster or even a disaster at all. If anyone is delusional it is the OP of this post and anyone who agrees with that person.

Let's talk more reality. Tennessee has won ONE NC since 1998 and the closest other title would have been in 1967, and that 31-year gap is the longest in program history. Where are your expectations coming from? I think I have counted that we won 10 East titles since Majors took over, 7 of which were won by Fulmer who our beloved fans and faculty fired. ONE YEAR after going 10-4 and winning the East. We haven't even come CLOSE until this year... and that's not enough? Again, WHERE are your EXPECTATIONS coming from?

Well guess what folks? The REALITY IS that >>>IF<<< we go 2-0 from here (yes a bunch of you were whining during a game where we just destroyed our opponent more the anyone else that has played them), we are 10-3. Most coaches in America would be happy with that record and until we can sustain a record similar to even THAT.... YOUR.... expectations... which are delusional considering we haven't had a record as good as 10-3 since Fulmer..... are undeniably delusional. AND the reduculousness by which our fan-base operates in my opinion is why we struggle to get the coaches we want. Kiffin isn't coming here. Are you kidding me? Butch is OUR GUY. Support the success he has had and hold him to continual improvement and then you are part of a fair fan base that a coach, beyond his classy coach speak, would actually enjoy representing. Right now YOU are sub par. Not Butch.

What is perplexing is that 5 years ago, had ANYONE said hey, in 4 years from now, UT will be so good that they will have a shot at the East, Champ, SEC champ and playoffs but will be considered to have some disappointment if we go 10-3 with mostly 2nd stringers throughout the year and seemingly as many 3rd as 1st at times, any person who lived in reality would have happily embraced that POSSIBILITY. YOU sir, however are delusional and toxic to the fan base.

In the mean time I will appreciate what we have done and hope Butch continues on with a >>>successful<<< season to build off of once again.

And don't bother with coming back with some half wit post, I don't read responses to my posts, because there really is no valid argument. The only valid action is for you to realize how pathetic you make our fan-base look and change your ways and walk towards the light and try being a supportive fan. I boo your attitude.

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Perfect dude. Thank you. I say **** like this the time. Nobody wants to listen. They all just wanna *****.[/QUOTE]

Because people typically dont listen when you're telling them how to spend their money or how they're supposed to feel. The people who were there yesterday spent money to be there if they left early then thats their right, they're not obligated by contract. You guys think Tennessee is the only place this happens? LSU wasnt close to being sold out yesterday. Did you notice the crowd at the bama game? How much do you spend on season tickets every year? Am I telling you how to feel?
 
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this s*** started when we were in the 1st quarter yesterday? step away from the keyboard for a few minutes every so often!
 
Is Tennessee moving to the NFL? They can't even win the east.

I don't want Kiffin here, but to use the NFL as proof of anything in college is just dumb.

You assessing anything related to football as dumb is dumb based on your 10 year old level arguments.
 
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this s*** started when we were in the 1st quarter yesterday? step away from the keyboard for a few minutes every so often!

Because people got let down by the Florida outcome, let them spend their money how they want. I gave my tickets away yesterday, I wasn't going to make the 4 hour trip (I have to go to Austin for business Monday) but I donate every year and ill do as i please. I love how we deflect CBJ short comings on the fans leaving games early.
 
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Perfect dude. Thank you. I say **** like this the time. Nobody wants to listen. They all just wanna *****

Because people typically dont listen when you're telling them how to spend their money or how they're supposed to feel. The people who were there yesterday spent money to be there if they left early then thats their right, they're not obligated by contract. You guys think Tennessee is the only place this happens? LSU wasnt close to being sold out yesterday. Did you notice the crowd at the bama game? How much do you spend on season tickets every year? Am I telling you how to feel?

Dude types a book you you pick one thing out of all those things he said to complain about? Don't miss the point he was trying to make. Because he is right.
 
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Dude types a book you you pick one thing out of all those things he said to complain about? Don't miss the point he was trying to make. Because he is right.

If I hadn't mentioned Kiffin, it would have been a totally different reaction. I get it. Kiffin screwed us. Y'all want him dead. Cool story bro, but it doesn't change ANYTHING I said about Butch & what level of success he will have going forward.
 
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If I hadn't mentioned Kiffin, it would have been a totally different reaction. I get it. Kiffin screwed us. Y'all want him dead. Cool story bro, but it doesn't change ANYTHING I said about Butch & what level of success he will have going forward.

Kiffen sucks.
You may not think Butch Jones can improve and become a championship coach. (I have my doubts as well) but you have no idea what he's made of nor do I.

You choose to hope for a Tennessee loss so you can be right about Butch while I choose to pull for a win so I can be proven wrong.
Given the situation in the AD department and the fact CBJ won't be fired no matter what this year......I find Tennessee football more enjoyable hoping to be proven wrong.
 
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If I hadn't mentioned Kiffin, it would have been a totally different reaction. I get it. Kiffin screwed us. Y'all want him dead. Cool story bro, but it doesn't change ANYTHING I said about Butch & what level of success he will have going forward.

We lost to SC. Had LSU won against FLA, would that placate you? We soundly whipped KY, TTU, and Mizzou. They blew SC, but they took care of business after.

I don't know that Jones can get us to a championship, but with all the injuries this year, they took care of business in 8 of 11 games. Backing into the SEC Championship, though I'd love if we did, doesn't change that we have been moving in the correct direction, but that the staff wasn't able to get the team in the right place in the midst of all the Hurd drama.

The solution, as we've seen the last decade, isn't just "Fire them all and hire ________."
 

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