Butch Jones

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#126
BowlBrother85 said:
Jones finally played Dobbs when he was left with no other choice. We didn't start the 2014 season with Dobbs (who was a sophomore at the time). Justin Worley started the first half of that season, and would have likely started the whole way, if he hadn't been injured vs Ole Miss. And let's not forget, Jones replaced him with Peterman, not Dobbs. You guys are making too much of the "at least he knew to play Dobbs" narrative... way too much.
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The plan was to Redshirt Dobbs, that's most likely why Worley was replaced with Peterman until Peterman proved unable to get it done. From the way he talked about it, it was something that Dobbs wanted as well(I think I remember reading where his parents were hoping for a redshirt too).

Butch Jones hopes to redshirt Joshua Dobbs

Dobbs not thinking about lost redshirt seasons
 
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#127
BowlBrother85 said:
There were many threads on here back in 2014 about Jones sticking with Justin Worley longer than he should have. Worley started the first 7 games, which included a very inept offensive performance vs Florida when we lost 10-9. After Worley was injured vs Ole Miss, Jones didn't replace him with Dobbs... he replaced him with Nathan Peterman, who was even worse. I'm not defending Pruitt at all, but some of you are propping up Jones for doing many of the same things Pruitt has done. Why does it matter who was worse? They both failed.
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Dobbs had over 121 pass attempts in 2013, Worley had 196. The stats don’t really fit your narrative. In 2014, Dobbs had 177 attempts compared to Worley’s 252. Worley threw for over 2.5k yards and 25 td’s in those two split seasons compared to Dobbs’ 11 passing td’s. Dobbs had also thrown 12 interceptions in far fewer pass attempts compared to Worley’s 16. Dobbs eventually became the better qb but it wasn’t nearly as cut and dried as you are making it
 
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#128
Matt2496 said:
At least Butch Jones had the competence to play Josh Dobbs. If Pruitt was in charge while Josh Dobbs was here, he would've been benched because he didn't practice well enough.
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But let's not forget that Jones didn't know what to do with Alvin Kamara - you know the guy that just set the NFL record for 6 rushing TDs in a single game. The guy that was a Pro-Bowl pick his rookie year, etc. etc. But was a back up at UT under Butch Jones.
 
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Let's just substitute "heart attack" and "stroke" for Pruitt and Jones.

The truth is: you don't REALLY want either one so arguing which is worse is...... well...... silly, at best.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Say what you want, but I just watched UT highlights from 2013-2017 on YouTube, and my takeaway was that any one of Butch’s Vol teams would beat this current team by 4 TDs

My other takeaway was that Dobbs might be one of the best QBs we’ve had since Manning. I should’ve appreciated him more.

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Spot on about Dobbs.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Dobbs had over 121 pass attempts in 2013, Worley had 196. The stats don’t really fit your narrative. In 2014, Dobbs had 177 attempts compared to Worley’s 252. Worley threw for over 2.5k yards and 25 td’s in those two split seasons compared to Dobbs’ 11 passing td’s. Dobbs had also thrown 12 interceptions in far fewer pass attempts compared to Worley’s 16. Dobbs eventually became the better qb but it wasn’t nearly as cut and dried as you are making it
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Yes, it was. Worley was mediocre at best, and he was running an offense which wasn't suited to his skill set. You can cite all the stats you want... Worley started the first 7 games of the 2014 season... and he was not very good. When a change was made, it was due to injury.
 
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Since you brought quarterbacks into the topic, I go Manning,
take Clausen since he beat Florida twice, Shuler and/or Dobbs.
 
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SDV said:
I truly wish that we could scrub this guy's name from our existence
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It is strange that some posters feel a need to prop up Jones, in order to drive home the point that Pruitt isn't getting the job done. One has nothing to do with the other. They were both bad hires.
 
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#137
Dobbs' abilities only gave the perception Jones was a better coach. The only real advantage Jones had was he didn't have to do on-the-job training. Needless to say, their records speak for themselves.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There were many threads on here back in 2014 about Jones sticking with Justin Worley longer than he should have. Worley started the first 7 games, which included a very inept offensive performance vs Florida when we lost 10-9. After Worley was injured vs Ole Miss, Jones didn't replace him with Dobbs... he replaced him with Nathan Peterman, who was even worse. I'm not defending Pruitt at all, but some of you are propping up Jones for doing many of the same things Pruitt has done. Why does it matter who was worse? They both failed.
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This season, Pruitt had multiple bye weeks to get another QB ready to take over for the turnover machine that is JG. Worley wasn't very good either, but was he JG bad? Statistically they're pretty similar, but when you take into account the Pick 6's at key points during a game completely deflating the team, I'll say JG is considerably worse. Pruitt still stuck with him.

I'm not saying Butch would've had Dobbs ready sooner given the same circumstances but who knows. Both Pruitt and Jones botched up the QB position no doubt, but Butch went 7-6 with a bowl win. That's not a great season by any means, but not an absolute train-wreck either. Pruitt has gone 3-7 with blowout losses including a record-setting blowout loss to Kentucky at Neyland. Pruitt has absolutely tanked the season with how he handled the QB position. I get it's an all SEC schedule, but come on.

I'm not saying that Butch Jones is a good coach. They're both terrible. However, I think even he would coach circles around Pruitt based on what I've seen.
 
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You guys are debating between a turd & diarrhea. We were a recovered fumble in the end zone and a Hail Mary from being 6-6. And when we managed to beat GA & FL we sh!t the bed at the end of the year. Dobbs‘s escapability and playmaking ability were ELITE but he and JG shared the inconsistency in the pass game which is why neither could break us through. The mismanagement of players was ridiculous as well. Let’s not forget that when we hired Pruitt we went 4-8. That was the first time in history a UT team had ever lost 8 games. Bad news is we haven’t seen much better since except for a win streak against teams we used to pencil in as for sure wins. Yay
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It is strange that some posters feel a need to prop up Jones, in order to drive home the point that Pruitt isn't getting the job done. One has nothing to do with the other. They were both bad hires.
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Not propping up Jones at all but Pruitt makes Jones look like Tom Landry
 
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creekerballer said:
Jones has been more successful as a head coach than Pruitt, but that’s really not saying much. Butch struck gold with Dobbs or he probably would of been gone sooner. Let’s not forget the man turned away Trevor Lawrence, wasted Kamara on the bench, recruited small lineman that weren’t going to work in the SEC, should I go on?
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Kamara wasn’t on the bench. He averaged 1000 total yards a year in a loaded backfield and scored 24 td’s in 24 games.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Dobbs had over 121 pass attempts in 2013, Worley had 196. The stats don’t really fit your narrative. In 2014, Dobbs had 177 attempts compared to Worley’s 252. Worley threw for over 2.5k yards and 25 td’s in those two split seasons compared to Dobbs’ 11 passing td’s. Dobbs had also thrown 12 interceptions in far fewer pass attempts compared to Worley’s 16. Dobbs eventually became the better qb but it wasn’t nearly as cut and dried as you are making it
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This is true, but Dobbs being the eventual starter was expedited by Worley getting hurt. Every quarterback that played under Jones that wasn’t a running qb like Dobbs got killed behind his micro lineman.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Say what you want, but I just watched UT highlights from 2013-2017 on YouTube, and my takeaway was that any one of Butch’s Vol teams would beat this current team by 4 TDs

My other takeaway was that Dobbs might be one of the best QBs we’ve had since Manning. I should’ve appreciated him more.

Thoughts?
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Clausen > Bray > Dobbs > Ainge

Butch had some great talent gift wrapped to him, particularly in the '14 and '15 classes. The amount of high profile guys with connections to the program was unprecedented. A competent coach woldve taken those teams to the a NY6 bowl at least once, heck we'd probably have Trevor Lawrence as a QB, Tee Higgins and Amari Rodgers here too. To attribute any success to Butch is really foolish. He squandered so much.
 
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Jones is an awful HC who caught a break with some legacy/homer recruits... and Dobbs. At least one of the recruiting sites had him as a 3* pro-style QB. He was a better college player than his HS career suggested he would be.

He underperformed the roster talent in every single season.


Pruitt is a better teacher of the game. But I'm leaning pretty strongly against him having the right talent to be a successful HC. If not for the first two years then maybe you accept this year and all of the disruptions. But the first two years happened. He was destroyed by Vandy in year one with a bowl on the line. We all know year 2 and his continued stubbornness when it came to his philosophy of play, the QB position, and failure to recognize better players and get them to "practice better".
 
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