Butch Jones

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give_him 6 said:
You aren't wrong in your two statements:

1. Butch would have beaten the 2020 team by 4 TDs just like everyone beat them after our second game of the season.

2. Dobbs is very unappreciated around here.
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Depends on which one of Butch's teams you are talking about. The 2017 team couldn't beat UMass by even a touchdown. They were lucky to win that game at all.
 
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CBJ is assembling a top notch staff in Arkansas State right now. They can potentially be surprisingly good. Looks like he learned alot from Saban.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Depends on which one of Butch's teams you are talking about. The 2017 team couldn't beat UMass by even a touchdown. They were lucky to win that game at all.
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You’re right I didn’t specify and neither did the OP, so let’s just assume it was one of the better teams he had.
 
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Matt2496 said:
At least Butch Jones had the competence to play Josh Dobbs. If Pruitt was in charge while Josh Dobbs was here, he would've been benched because he didn't practice well enough.
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There were many threads on here back in 2014 about Jones sticking with Justin Worley longer than he should have. Worley started the first 7 games, which included a very inept offensive performance vs Florida when we lost 10-9. After Worley was injured vs Ole Miss, Jones didn't replace him with Dobbs... he replaced him with Nathan Peterman, who was even worse. I'm not defending Pruitt at all, but some of you are propping up Jones for doing many of the same things Pruitt has done. Why does it matter who was worse? They both failed.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Again, Barnett (along with Malone and Hurd) were guys we signed because Butch made the Nashville area a recruiting priority. Pruitt on the other hand.....
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I am pretty sure Vic Wharton was quite influential in the class with middle Tennessee players Barnett, Hurd, and Malone
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
If this were a beauty contest, Butch is the moderately attractive girl with self esteem issues that doesn't age well.

Jeremy Pruitt is the equivalent of Lizzo in a thong
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The thread should end on this post.

You absolutely nailed it in 2 sentences and I’ll never look at Pruitt the same after this.
 
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Unimane said:
Jones was 0-8 in the SEC his last year. He was every bit as bad as Pruitt, maybe worse, but had Dobbs to bail him out time and again.
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Yeah but at least Jones knew enough to play Dobbs...he probably would have ridden the bench and then transferred under Pruitt.
 
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Vols1891 said:
Yeah but at least Jones knew enough to play Dobbs...he probably would have ridden the bench and then transferred under Pruitt.
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He also burned a Redshirt year for Dobbs. Butch fell into Dobbs, as good as he was for Butch.... he still mismanaged him.
 
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Vols1891 said:
Yeah but at least Jones knew enough to play Dobbs...he probably would have ridden the bench and then transferred under Pruitt.
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Jones finally played Dobbs when he was left with no other choice. We didn't start the 2014 season with Dobbs (who was a sophomore at the time). Justin Worley started the first half of that season, and would have likely started the whole way, if he hadn't been injured vs Ole Miss. And let's not forget, Jones replaced him with Peterman, not Dobbs. You guys are making too much of the "at least he knew to play Dobbs" narrative... way too much.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Jones finally played Dobbs when he was left with no other choice. We didn't start the 2014 season with Dobbs (who was a sophomore at the time). Justin Worley started the first half of that season, and would have likely started the whole way, if he hadn't been injured vs Ole Miss. And let's not forget, Jones replaced him with Peterman, not Dobbs. You guys are making too much of the "at least he knew to play Dobbs" narrative... way too much.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ thissssss
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It doesn't say anything about Pruitt. The tenures of Jones and Pruitt at Tennessee are mutually exclusive.
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It says at the same point (after Y3) one guy had built a competitive program (but ultimately this guy could not build upon and sustain it) while the other guy is coaching a cellar dweller because he hasnt fixed basic coaching/development/hiring/adjustment flaws that have been in place since Y1G1
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
There's nothing more pathetic than people trying to re-imagine that Butch Jones and / or Derek Dooley were better coaches than they were to put Pruitt down.

You can dislike Pruitt w/o convincing yourself that Butch Jones was OK. He was terrible. He was 0-8 in the SEC in his final year. And the only reason he went 9-4 in '15 and '16 was because of Dobbs and Kamara (who he severely under-utilized). And those 2 teams had playoff-level talent and Butch couldn't even win the East with them. Without Dobbs, Butch has a losing record every season. And let's not even mention the fact that both Dooley and Butch did a lot of long-term harm to the program; Dooley in terms of his terrible recruiting that left the roster depleted. Butch by gutting the S&C program and doing terrible talent evaluation, so that some of his highly-rated recruiting classes were filled with busts.

Is Pruitt good enough to win at Tennessee? I don't know, but he's definitely better than Butch and Dooley.
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Your “takes” on Pruitt are comically bad. You are trying to compare Pruitt’s high water mark of 8 glorious wins and claim that Butch’s 9 win seasons aren’t really that great considering the amount of talent he had. I am not even going to bother posting the scores of our three main rivals during Pruitt’s first three years compared to Jones’ actual wins over UF, and UGA or his one possession losses to Oklahoma, and Alabama. Dobbs was a relatively low ranked recruit and most thought he wouldn’t stick with football, Worley was an average recruit as well; Bailey and Maurer are far better than anyone Jones had on the bench. Jones somehow managed to get Dobbs over 120 pass attempts as a freshman. You are correct that CBJ wasn’t a great head coach, what you fail to see is Pruitt is worse by every major metric
 
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N.ohio vol said:
Derrick Barnett was special also. Tying Reggie Whites sack record.
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That record schematically bothered me. They consistently let run stop go by wayside by having Barnett push for that record pinning his ears back even in situations that warranted playing more contain.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Jones finally played Dobbs when he was left with no other choice. We didn't start the 2014 season with Dobbs (who was a sophomore at the time). Justin Worley started the first half of that season, and would have likely started the whole way, if he hadn't been injured vs Ole Miss. And let's not forget, Jones replaced him with Peterman, not Dobbs. You guys are making too much of the "at least he knew to play Dobbs" narrative... way too much.
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100% . . . And, Butch had Worley out there running Read Option and RPOs which everybody - including the opposing defense - knew was not his skill set whatsoever. Dobbs probably wouldn't have been any better since he was limited as a passer. The notion that Butch just handed the offense to Dobbs is laughable. In fact, I think I remember that until Worley and Peterman both were hurt, the original plan was to try and redshirt Dobbs his Sophomore year.
 
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